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"Kompromiss" World Championship 1967

Old 03-14-2007, 12:54 PM
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Default "Kompromiss" World Championship 1967

Hello together.

Does someone know the airplane "Kompromiss" from you?
"Kurt Bauerheim" flew with it by the RC1 world championship 1967 on Korsika. He occupied the third place.

I look for information and experiences.

Thanks a lot.

Greetings from germany
Thomas
Old 03-14-2007, 11:30 PM
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Thomas,
Was allegedly a modified Taurus, I have an old RCM&E with a drawing in it, if I can find it I will post an image. Keep looking back here.
Evan.
Old 03-15-2007, 06:04 AM
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Default RE: "Kompromiss" World Championship 1967

Thomas,

These might help - sorry about the picture quality. Evan might have more luck with his set up.

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Old 03-15-2007, 01:31 PM
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Default RE: "Kompromiss" World Championship 1967

Hey !!

Thank you for the information.

@Evan
I would be pleased so much about the drawing. That would help me much.

@Ray
Where did you find the photos? You have still more ?

Greetings
Thomas
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Hello Thomas,
I vaguely remember a picture in the Model Airplane News magazine coverage of the contest: right alongside Kraft's Kwik-Fli and Marrot's Styx. The "looks like a Taurus" comment rings true. I was a youngster then and devoured every detail I could from the magazine articles. My how things have changed: now we are impatient if Team members do not send online updates early enough during the day!

Since we have made contact, I am looking to see if plans for Willy Schoenfeldt's Prestige are available anywhere.

Enjoy,
Dean Pappas


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Sorry Thomas, Rays stuff is the same as mine, though the plan says it was copied from the German `Flugmodell' magazine, so there is a hint. I do have the following particulars, and with the small plan it might do for a reasonable copy to be made: Span; 69.5"
Area; 720sqin. Airfoil; NACA 2415 root, 0015, tip. weight; 11lb, Motor; ST.60 with Kavan carb, 11x7.25 Kavan prop, and it say here with a foam core wing. Oh, and you will need a Multiplex 101 radio.
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Old 03-16-2007, 12:29 PM
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Thomas - all my shots were scanned from the British RCM&E magazines of the period. Can't find any more of the Kompromiss i'm afraid. As Evan says, there is just about enough to build a reasonable copy. The model flown at the W/Champs was obviously the straight trailing edge version as opposed to the straight leading edge version shown in the structural 3-view.

Dean - you may have already seen these shots of the mighty Prestige, again from RCM&E and RM magazines. Sorry about the quality but the originals were very small and I have still to master the settings on my new scanner!

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Greetings All,
Yes Ray, that and the fact that the US based Flying Models magazine had a full sized cover shot of Schoenfeldt holding the airplane right after that Worlds.
It turns out that the airplane would be legal, age-wise, for the US SPA and Vintage events both.
I strongly suspect that it is one of the most advanced designs within those calndar date restrictions.
Now to track down a set of plans. My German (learned only from reading plans in Graupner kits) simply doesn't suffice when trying to finf the plans service for FMT magazine.

until later,
Dean P.
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Hi,

just found this old thread. Just for curiosity - would you have a photo of the Taurus at hand? Is there some more clue if the Kompromiss is a derivate from the Taurus?

There is some thread around here (something like "restoration of the oldest Taurus on earth" or so) which does not remind me of the Kompromiss.

Dominik
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Hi,

Multiplex in Germany kitted the Kompromiss III. Kurt Bauerheim used a Multiplex 101 radio when he placed 3rd in 1967 WC.
It sems to have been several versions of Kompromiss (I, II and III) where version III was flying at 1967 WC, it could perhaps have been some influences from Taurus from the beginning but I have no information on that.

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Old 02-05-2013, 11:59 PM
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Hello Bo,

yes - this is the kit I just placed yesterday evening on my worktable - Kompromiss III. It has a polyester fuselage with quite acceptable gel coating, some little putty work and sanding will be needed. Wings are styrofoam covered with balsa, the quality of the glue balsa-foam is still good after 30 years. Wing has a solid balsa leading edge.

I have some other kits where wing sheeting was done with veery thin obeche, which just was wrapped around the nose radius of the foam cores. This is lightweight, but very easily you make a ding if you hit the leading edge a little too hard. Quite often the glue quality of those obeche covered foam is marginal compared to that what I find here for the Kompromiss III.

Next days I need to make my mind up if a side exhaust or rear exhaust engine will be used. Side exhaut can be installed either conventionally with cylinder sticking out to the right, or inverted. Fuselage is so high that with inverted engine the cylinder head will be concealed completely in the "chin". Exhaust header would need to be custom made to lift its pipe endpiece above wing, to install pipe there. Yes the plane will have a pipe.

There is also an older kit of that Kompromiss in my collection, balsa fuselage, and balsa-foam wings. This plane looks little bit smaller or not that sleek as the verison III, straight leading edge of the wing. It is the one which RFJ posted in his last scan. I am not sure is it version I or II. Would you know about that?
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:05 AM
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I wasn't aware of Wilbert Schoenfeld's Prestige model from 1967. It does look more like a model from 8 to 10 years later - it must have been far in advance of its contemporaries.

Does anyone know if plans were ever published or a kit ever marketed?

Best regards,

George
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Thomas,

Maybe interesting to show a picture of the Maxi and Heinz Elsässer too, the successful plane of Heinz Elsässer was well know by a lot of us.
I did fly pattern with the Mäxi, it was my only kit plane ever.
To compare I added the kit information too.

Cees
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The Prestige looks very much like the Multiplex Mini Delphin. The plans tell it is from 1969.
Some pics attached. Sorry the photo of the plane in takeoff is little stained after 40+ years... I think it looks very much like Schoenfeldt´s Prestige.

A little internet search found Wolfgang Matt´s page info about similar plane. A very young Wolfgang Matt flew at 1967 World Champs a Super Delfin, designer was Fritz Bosch. Told to have been a very large plane of 2m (80") wingspan!

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Hi,
Some more pictures of Kompromiss III from Multiplex catalog 1970.
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:21 AM
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Thanks Bo, I did not know those pics. I do not have the 1970 MPX catalogue.

Here is a pic of my Kompromiß 3 on my workbench.
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Slowly moving forward...

Almost ready to cover. Engine will be Enya 60XLF with tuned pipe mounted to right side of fuselage. KDH mechanical retracts.
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Plane is ready to be flown this weekend, now I am hoping for good weather. Took a long time to get it finished....
The Enya 60XLF runs very well.

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