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Old 04-25-2008, 06:21 PM
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Thought y'all might enjoy images from Ralph Brooke's heyday.

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Old 04-25-2008, 08:07 PM
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Thanks for sharing those pics Dave. Awesome stuff! I've got a set of plans of Brooke's Crusader that I pull out once a year and say to myself that one day I'm gonna build this puppy.

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Old 04-25-2008, 10:03 PM
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Seems to me the Crusader was way ahead of it's time by about 5-6 years.
Old 04-25-2008, 11:29 PM
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Question? Is Peter Waters from GB the same Peter Waters that started Kraft Midwest or do I have the names wrong?
Old 04-26-2008, 03:57 AM
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Is Peter Waters from GB the same Peter Waters that started Kraft Midwest
Yes. He emigrated to the USA from Wales in 1967 to work for Min-X in Detroit.

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Old 04-26-2008, 06:28 PM
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For my first 20 years of RC flying I lived in the Northwest. Ralph was bigger than life and a super fierce competitor. They say that he did a lot of his aircraft building at his dental office between patients. Didn’t know him very well but saw him at all the RC events. Is flying was spectacular. I have a set of Cursader plans and have considered building one.
Old 04-29-2008, 11:53 AM
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Very much enjoy seeing this-Tre' COOL!!!!!
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i noticed a couple of katos in the pictures. might be a name we've seen before, somewhere.

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ORIGINAL: dhal22

i noticed a couple of katos in the pictures. might be a name we've seen before, somewhere.

david
Yep! Masahiro, holding the Super Thunderbird. Note the swept back stab. In his article he said that his first Blue Angel prototype was built in 1966 and was inspired by seeing the Blue Angels fly at the AMA Nationals. He wanted to create the speed and dynamics needed to perform jet like maneuvers. The birth of ballistic pattern!
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mike, i was surprised to not have seen you mention him on your earlier post.

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ORIGINAL: 8178

For my first 20 years of RC flying I lived in the Northwest. Ralph was bigger than life and a super fierce competitor. They say that he did a lot of his aircraft building at his dental office between patients. Didn’t know him very well but saw him at all the RC events. Is flying was spectacular. I have a set of Cursader plans and have considered building one.

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As an aside, many folks today have no idea of just how expensive even flying non competition R/C was in 1965.

To fly competitively and internationally in 1965 one just about had to be a professional just to afford thinking about it. A simple 4-channel R/C system sold for $300, if you were willing to settle for less than a Kraft system. My first multi proportional system was a Micro Avionics XL-IC (1969) that sold for $300. Vendors did not discount the prices in those days. You paid MSRP as advertised in all of the R/C mags, unless you had a friend in the business. I did own several single channel escapement and pulse proportional rigs before owning the Micro Avionics proportional rig, but somehow they just don't count as being "real" R/C systems. Others are free to disagree.

The only reason that I could afford to fly R/C then was because both the wife and I had good paying jobs with a Fortune 500 company. Other friends of mine, control line, with regular jobs could not afford to make the jump to what was then known as digital proportional R/C systems. The wife and I both cleared $400 a month in those days. We were fortunate enough to live in a community that had well paying jobs available and to have family already working for the company (Dupont). No family connections, no job.

I used to admire Doc Brookes and the other big name pattern competitors back in those days. Had I to do things over again, I would have attended every contest that I could, and I would have competed too. How come we never knew that those would become, "the good old days" until we are old? <G>


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Awesome stuff! We do indeed have proud lineage of folks who were innovators! To me the good old days was the early 1980's with Hanno and those guys. I am a bit younger though (same age as Chip Hyde).
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From the November-December 1966 Grid Leaks Magazine:

Kraft Series “B” four channel – $419.95
Kraft Series “B” six channel – $469.95
Orbit 4-8 Digital – $450.00
Citizen-Ship Full House – $349.93
New Enya .45 $36.50
Midwest Lil Tri Squire - $7.95

In 1966 I was five years into a great career with a fortune 500 company making a little over $8k.
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well, i wasn't alive then, on the way though, but at $8k a yr those radio prices must have seemed sky high.

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Old 04-30-2008, 09:23 PM
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It's just amazing how much we can get for our 2008 dollars. 2.4GHz computer radios for under $200. I remember paying $209.00 (1973 dollars) for a Hobby Lobby 5 which was about $200 less than the Kraft KP6C (which was the Big Guy in 1973). You had to reverse 4 wires at the servo connector to change the rotation direction of the servos but you didn't need to solder anything. But I sure would like to get that Little Esquire for $7.95 again. That our predecessors had the time and finances to spur the development of the classic machines we love so much now is truly amazing. A modern computer radio should be worth several thousand dollars in todays inflated economy. But we are truly fortunate that we have both the modern electronics so reasonably available and thanks to the suppliers who support the vintage movement we can also get the best of old time designs at a very low prices. I still have that HL5 and it still works on 26.995 just have to find a Little Esquire kit.

Peace

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Here's a Consumer Price Index calculator that's fun to mess around with:

http://www.minneapolisfed.org/research/data/us/calc/

In 1966 $419.95 was comparable to $ 2794.48 today. $36.20 for the Enya was comparable to $242.88 in today's dollars. So, flying a basic 4 channel proportional trainer back then was like being into jets or 2M pattern today.

David (b. 1961)

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