[quoteMsg # 1 - Page - Chidgey - Weirick - Bonetti ][/quote]

Vince. Pretty sure pic3 is Phil Kraft, at least that's his AMA number (15107) on the wing of the Fire Fli. Cliff's is 9101

FB. Think that's an early Troublemaker.Perhaps your thinking of the Intrepid which wasa later design.

The Bob Smith pic shows him with an Undone 2. Forget I ever mentioned Larry Leonard and his Miss Liberty Bell

Ray

I'm pretty sure that model that Bonetti is holding is not a Troublemaker as it appears to belarger than a Troublemaker, plus it has a clear canopy. Also look at the top of the vertical fin,it looks like it's very thick and airfoiled, hard to tell in the picture though as it blends in with the stab.The Troublemaker's canopy is shaped from balsa blocks and the vertical fin was just a slab. Idid notice that the wing is held on with rubber bands. I could be mistaken about all of this though as the only Troublemaker I'm familiar with is the J&J kit. You're right about the name though, it is Intrepid, I knew that it began with an "I". My bad......need my morning coffee.

FB

Great pictures Mike! I have some from the Nats from 72 and I'll post them here soon. Yes I do recognize several of the guys.
Terry

Gents,

I like all these pictures of the planes from long time ago.
It does let me think about the early days I did fly pattern myself.

With pictures we can bring back planes, memories and details.

I do not know all these people (Bonetti? Italian?) and planes but I still have my own picture.

When I see my picture I have to smile for several reasons look the red oval!
What’s that?
Yes, air inlet of the fuel tank!

So again, let the photo’s come. ( I make them today)

In the beginning we didn’t have the two-needle carburetor, but, I call it, an air bleed carburetor.
One fuel needle and an adjustment for idle mixture>> air.

Who still knows?

An old (1965) Super Tigre to show you such an old carburetor. Picture 2 and 3
and the exhaust? These were the screamers!
We did not have to drill holes in the engine, It did have holes everywhere you did look, even in the holes there were holes.

No, we could not use the exhaust pressure and Evangelista Torricelli (Italian!!!) did tell us in the past how to manage the fuel tank.

Super Tigre the good old pattern engine.

Also when you want to use them again, you must read the instructions very carefully!! (picture 7)
Picture 8, the adjustment screw and bleed air hole in front of the carb.


Cees

FB - I think I will stick with my "early Troublemaker" theory.

The date on Mike's photograph is August 1970 so I am assuming it was taken at the 1970 Glenview Nats. Reading Art Schroeder's report on this event in the November 1970 issue of MAN he lists the top ten models/equipment. Tony Bonetti's entry is -

Troublemaker, Webra, KDH retracts, Kraft radio.

I guess there were several subsequent versions of the Troublemaker which retained the name buthad subtle differences. From photographs I have seen they basically got smaller and simplier. The version used as the J&J kit was probably the smallest and simplist - solid canopy, slab fin etc. Judging size from photographs is difficult. Models always seem to look bigger than they actually are.

The Intrepid is a very different beast. A bigger late 70's designwith anhedral stab and full depth rudder. as shown in your March 1978 MAN cover shot.

As you know I am a Troublemaker fan and mine is almost ready but those darn scale models I need to finish first always take longer to build than you plan for

Ray

Not only models Ray, my Super Tigre of the last message was 0.20.

Gents, Classic Pattern Flying and a lot of engine are sold on swap meets and anywhere else.

Be aware of the bleed air carb because I also see them on the modern 4 stroke engine,
Here the 0.60 ENYA 4 C the spare engine for my ORION.

Always try to operate these engines first without exhaust pressure!
Off Topic? Look my Bonetti Fin and Stab.

Cees

After looking at the time frame, I would have to say that you're correct Ray. Just that I don't recall seeing a TM with that trim scheme. Hope you get your TM airborne soon!

FB

Thanks RFJ, brought me up to date. Freebird, the only TroubleMaker I knew of, was the J&J kit. There was one on the selling site some time back, original box, etc.

Iasked if anyone knew where Larry Leonard was, what about Bonetti ? Looking at the picture's, the time line here, he has to be in his
mid-70's by now ? Anyone remember Ed Keck ?Now these names are falling out of my brain like it was yesterday. Lou Penrod ? I know that Lou passed away many years ago. He had a son, dunno if he is into this game. All from the southeast.

Vince

I've got a fiberglass fuselage version of the Troublemaker...made in the early 70's...I think it was made by Airborne Associates? (or was it Sky Glass? )

IIRC there was the original Troublemaker in 1970 then the Double Trouble a few years later...then I think (pretty sure ) there was a Triple Trouble that later bacame the Intrepid?

I'm almost positive there was a "Triple Trouble" and it must have been around '76 or '77? I saw him fly it at Endicott N.Y. It was red/white/blue with an anhedral stab.
The Intrepid came along after that...sometime in the early 80's wasn't it?

Here are a couple of pictures of my old Banshee and Coyote circa 1973.
The Banshee used a Rossi 61 rear rotor and the Coyote used a HP-61 and finally a Ross Black Demon 60. Also used several Aldrich custom Webra black heads during that time.

Yes, Larry & I got together because of the NSRCA, my (ex)wife was the treasurer back then, and I was very active in district I to get membership.

If you see him again, please tell him I said hi, and get on this forum!

Mike,

You may have been "rough" on your photos, but they can be restored before you lose them altogether. Once you have digital restorations, they'll be good, basically, forever. It's not particularly "cheap", but for photos you want to preserve, there's realistically no other way.

Greg

As Greg said, with the original photos scanned at a high resolution, a lot can be done digitally.

Just using the small, low res images you posted I quickly doctored them up just a bit in Photoshop. A professional, taking their time, could really make them look great.

David

WOW!!!!! Very cool thanks, Now you can see how Norm Pagewould stick hetongue out when he was in the zone. Mike

Hey Mike!

Go Pop Go....

My old flyingBuddy and I used to get Go Pop in 55 gallon drums. It was cheap. Good logo Mike. thanks

Somewhere I have a hand embroidered "Al's Hobby Shop" shirt with every patch available in 73-74 sewn to it. Proline, GoPoP, OPS ... If I weren't old and a thousand pounds overweight I'd wear it fying. I remember wearing those shirts on Saturday's. Shirts we didn't mind wearing, but, hated wearing those hideious red vest at christmas time. Yuck!

Mike,

Dutch, so cheaper!

All our fuel is “sun power� also our electrical propulsion (without nuclear?) these days.

For that I may show a picture that was made of me (left) and my glider in a thermal gliding contest.

Electronics is also a bobby, so I did use my secret wapon to find my “cheap thermic fuel�, see picture 2

The pressure difference between the thermal isolated tank in the plane and the outside I did measure the result I could hear with my receiver on the ground, my thermal sniffer (vario). The little dark dot on the nose of the glider is the ventury of this system.
The vario receiver antennea in the box of my radio is square on the transmitter antennea, so pointed down.(picture 3)
Did win contests with that in the period it was allowed.

Plane, own design 10 feet Eppler 193 without any washout, a thermal topper.
Radio, my Multiplex Profi transmitter I still use these days,
(Now with modern fail safe receivers.)

Another story was, when MY buddy did buy "nitrobenzene" BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAP to use as nitro!!

Cees

One must remember modern - high cost - radios.

Yes I do.
I have a 1971 single stick Pro-Line, with machined sticks and two complete flight packs and one pack has never been in the air. To me the most comfortable way to fly RC. Single sticks just never caught on like standard two sticks. Would like to see someone work on one (and not cost an arm and leg) with an auxiliary or remote stick for the left hand to be able to control the rudder in certain maneuvers. I have a Silver Seven by Ace that has the remote rudder control and love it, but its an AM and getting a little old.
Terry

Terry,

I did pay 1600 Dutch guilders in 1974? for my Muliplex radio, (German).
I think in that period that was 444 USD.

(1600 Dutch guilders = 730 Euro = 1000 USDollar now?)

Transmitter, receiver, 4 servo's and battery pack 1.2 Ah for the receiver.

Before that I did use home brew radio's.
I could buy a Simprop 2 + 1 from the Firm Remcon (English), they did use this transmitter to copy.
In that priod I also did use Remcon receivers and some servo's.

I also did copy this transmitter for my own multi radio picture 3 and 4.
The Simprop 2 + 1 transmitter I did use a short period with e trottle and aileron stick on the right side. There was no room in the casing to make a second double function stick left side so my rudder was the potentionmeter on top (red oval).

On the multy transmitter there were a swith for the gear, flaps with 4 positions and camera switch (on the right side). Did fly many years with this transmitter with "Kraft color".
Problem from the old system was, it wasn't possible to build mixers etc.

Hanna the cat did ask me to put her sharp in the picture and not the frontside of the transmitter, "They see enough transmitters, but not so many nice cats!"

Cees

I think Tony is holding a Troublemaker (what else?)!
Why don't we put names (and model)with the pictures? Guessing is nice, but I would like to see the correct answer, in the end...
Thanks.
Beppe

Terry single stick was very popular in the 70's.
Guys like Jim Kirkland, Ron Chidgey, Rhett Miller, Don Coleman, Mark Ratcliffe to name a few all flew it. I too am surprised that someone doesn't make one today. That said I never understood why one would use one but I couldn't argue with the success many had with them.
Mike great Pro Linelogo. If I remember right my first Pro Line cost in the neiborhood of 4 to 5 hundred dollars. Adjusted for inflation that would be a whole lot today. They were special in their time.
Taurus, You look like your having too much fun. Solar power baby!!!!!! M2

Cee's you should start a museum. Old radios now there's some interesting items. Thanks, Mike

Mike,

I do not have my super reg receivers anymore, that is a big loss for me.
I even did rewind my relais coils in that period.

I also think there is still a lot of material with other modelers to show.
Tubes are interesting for me, I never did use them, only transistors.

BTW these are not old time pattern pictures but I did fly pattern with this trasnmitter and hope you like them to see.
Best position in the past with this transmitter, 6 th in masters in the Netherlands.

This model transmitter we call a "tile" (Dutch "tegel")

Cees