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1980 TOC Laser 200 by Ulery

Old 01-13-2011, 07:10 AM
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ps. I know the title of this thread is Ulrey Laser. Over the yeasr I've just heard credit for a lot of his innovations go to the wrong person too many times. As a model designer, I have admired Wayne's approach to model design and out-of-the-box thinking and consider him one of my idols.

My question is, why is Wayne not in the AMA Hall of Fame yet?
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Default RE: 1980 TOC Laser 200 by Ulery

Mike,

Nice clarification.

While the record is being set straight, just wanted to confirm that Wayne's last name is spelled Ulery and not Ulrey.

David.
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Default RE: 1980 TOC Laser 200 by Ulery

Hey Mike,
I agree that Wayne deserves to be in the AMA hall of fame. I believe there is a nomination process and possibly a selection committee. I'm sure there's information about it somewhere on the AMA website.
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:47 AM
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Well I got the sides framed up this morning now I have to go plow snow
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Old 01-13-2011, 10:51 AM
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Mike,

Nice clarification.

While the record is being set straight, just wanted to confirm that Wayne's last name is spelled Ulery and not Ulrey.

David.

Well I'll be dipped. Thats embarassing. My apologies Wayne.

BTW, I flew the Ulery 85" Laser to do the warm up flights at the 1984 TOC. Its a long shot but....does anyone out there have any pics of it at the '84 TOC. I have none, but would love to. It was pink, white, blue and gold. Had a Quadra 50 in it for power.
Old 01-14-2011, 03:13 PM
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Nice developments in this thread. It could use some more build pics - anyone?

David.

I was doing some maintenence on mine today and took some pics of the interior. I am also building a Laser influenced 2M pattern plane for the coming season.


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Old 01-20-2011, 11:23 AM
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Default RE: 1980 TOC Laser 200 by Ulery

Here is a couple of pics of what I have done in last couple of days, more to come later
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Old 01-21-2011, 07:01 PM
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Ok here is some more pictures. have a little more to do on the fusalage then I will try to build the wings with foam ribs as per the plans
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Default RE: 1980 TOC Laser 200 by Ulery

All,
I'm a long time Laser 200 fan and in particular of Wayne U. design (there I avoid the name controversy) and I bought a 42% set of plans from a friend. After carefull inspection I think this is Wayne's 90 size Laser blown up. I saw the proto-type fly on an A&M 6.4 (single carb) way back in 1992 or 3. Always wanted a 35-40% Laser.

Mike your in these pictures flying some old but good stuff - http://wtp.net/DBEST/patpixpage.html


Thanks
JDS
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My TOC Laser is progressing. Wing/Stab alignment done and mounting plates installed.
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Old 01-26-2011, 01:58 PM
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A little more done, might get to start on the wings next week
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Old 01-29-2011, 10:28 AM
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Beginning to look like a Laser.
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Default RE: 1980 TOC Laser 200 by Ulery

Burtona,

Very nice plane and we all want to see these flying but I do see your pictures and all looks very well for that, only picture 4.
Aren’t you afraid to loose on one moment the tail feathers. When the glue connections do fail, it can happen during a midair with a foamy for example.

It doesn’t seem too difficult to insert an invisible connection from top to bottom of the fuselage with a nut and some reinforcements, only a picture to think about. Dimensions to calculate to keep it light but success guaranteed.
The connection fixed with the top part, feathers.

Cees
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Old 01-29-2011, 11:05 AM
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Yours is looking great. One question on the tail bracing, are you going to use the wire as discribed in the article or are you going to fasten solid wires at all points? I am undecided at this time which way to go.
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Default RE: 1980 TOC Laser 200 by Ulery

All,
You guys sure know how to rub it in !! Love them big lasers.

Enjoy all your work.

jds
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Burtona,

Very nice plane and we all want to see these flying but I do see your pictures and all looks very well for that, only picture 4.
Aren’t you afraid to loose on one moment the tail feathers. When the glue connections do fail, it can happen during a midair with a foamy for example.

It doesn’t seem too difficult to insert an invisible connection from top to bottom of the fuselage with a nut and some reinforcements, only a picture to think about. Dimensions to calculate to keep it light but success guaranteed.
The connection fixed with the top part, feathers.

Cees
Cees,
Thanks for the good words. See detail pictures of the stab/fin arrangement below. I use 4 carbon fiber pins into the fusalage bulkhead and the plywood tail post to hold in position. Two 4-40 machine screws with blind nuts into the plywood plate attach the stab and fin and lock into position. This will provide adaquate strength and rigidity.

Planebow,
I plan to use eight 2-56 X 12" steel pushrods with one side of a steel clevis (one threaded and one soldered) attached to the hardpoints built into the stab and fin with 2-56 machine screws rather than wire.
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Old 01-29-2011, 03:56 PM
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Ther are 4 pins besides the 2 bolts that hold the tail section on plus the wires. That seemed to work great on the first one I built, never had any problems.


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Burtona,

Very nice plane and we all want to see these flying but I do see your pictures and all looks very well for that, only picture 4.
Aren’t you afraid to loose on one moment the tail feathers. When the glue connections do fail, it can happen during a midair with a foamy for example.

It doesn’t seem too difficult to insert an invisible connection from top to bottom of the fuselage with a nut and some reinforcements, only a picture to think about. Dimensions to calculate to keep it light but success guaranteed.
The connection fixed with the top part, feathers.

Cees
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Burtona, Planebow,

Thanks for response,

I didn’t know the wires but even with these I always try to create double security for most important parts.

When I still think about the mounting, was worried about the mounting block glued on top of the fuselage.
This is my more detailed story

The screws are located on ¼ of the mean chord location of the stabilizer so they have to withstand all the pulling forces during the inverted loop etc. The pins in the bulkhead do not have to withstand these forces, will nearly be zero. When mounting the block with nuts backwards on ½ chord location the aerodynamic forces will be divided over the two screws and pins in bulkhead, nearly 50/50. Most forces from outside, hitting the tail, are twice as much now instead of the situation the screws were mounted on 50 % chord. This was my reason for the modification.

Enough said, I do like construction details and design, hope you also and understand my explanation, wish you happy and successful building.
The extra wiring do take away my worry, but that will be most important.
Success, and of course happy flights

Cees
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Burtona,

Alarm, did download the pictures and do see also the pins near the LE rudder, language problem, tailpost.
Looks better now, four pins and wiring

Cees

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[quote]ORIGINAL: planebow
Ther are 4 pins besides the 2 bolts that hold the tail section on plus the wires. That seemed to work great on the first one I built, never had any problems.
[quote]ORIGINAL: Taurus Flyer
Burtona,
Very nice plane and we all want to see these flying but I do see your pictures and all looks very well for that, only picture 4.
Aren’t you afraid to loose on one moment the tail feathers. When the glue connections do fail, it can happen during a midair with a foamy for example.
It doesn’t seem too difficult to insert an invisible connection from top to bottom of the fuselage with a nut and some reinforcements, only a picture to think about. Dimensions to calculate to keep it light but success guaranteed.
The connection fixed with the top part, feathers.
Cees
/quote]


Or just flightplan it so as to have thatmid-air with the foamie!
Jeez, sorry.
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Got started on the wings this week. First time I have built a wing like this so I will just have to wait and see what happens
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Default RE: 1980 TOC Laser 200 by Ulery

Looks good planebow!

What did you use for an adhesive to glue the foam together?

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I used 3m77 spray adhesive. I am using This thread to go by. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_84...tm.htm#8435518
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Ready now to sheet the top then will cut bottom of airfoil then switch cradles, install shear strips, spars. and sheeting
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:26 PM
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Default RE: 1980 TOC Laser 200 by Ulery

Very interesting wing construction. I understand that Chidgey built one of his early TT wings in this fashion. Or something very similar.

David.

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