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Guys, here are the photos of the Proline I was talking about. Four channel?

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David,

now that's an interesting Tx. I saw it and wondered how to best make use of it. Basically it is a 3 channel Proline with one stick. Futaba and Kraft used to make radios like that too. I owned a Futaba like that - it was my second radio (the first was a 2 ch two stick Sanwa). The three trim levers correspond to the aileron & elevator trims with the other one being the throttle channel.

A Proline case has its own cool factor and so does the radio for its vintage and rather rare character. If you want to have it as a collectible, then it stands on its own. If on the other hand, you are interested in making use of it in a more modern way then here's what I was thinking.

It would make a good SS conversion case. Unfortunately, you would have to loose the nice Proline stick but you might be able to make use of the pots which look to be in good shape (its hard to tell but it doesn't look very used). If Andy's gimbal happens to fit in terms of where the hole is made in the case, then that would be what I would go for. You would then use a MS2K encoder and either the existing RF deck or a 2.4 deck. I would only use the existing deck if you have an accompanying Rx and it is narrow banded (evidently). If you do, then you could add the 2.4 deck as well and select either deck depending on the aircraft. It might be easier to just forgo the inside guts and make use of the trim levers and pots for aux channels and throttle.

The case looks to be about the size of a Kraft series XX SS case so the conversion would be similar. Encoder against the front mounted in the bottom center. Batteries against the back with velcro wired with a deans or Futaba/JR plug. The LCD should fit easily in the top left of the case where the existing RF meter is located. You might even be able to use the two vertically oriented trim pots on the left for CH 6 & 7 on the MS2K. Channels 5 & 8 are operated with switches and the trim that is oriented horizontally would go on the side of the case and would be used for throttle. The various switches would go primarily on the top of the case. Basically a standard SS conversion.

The trick is really to see if Andy's gimbal will fit nicely in the existing stick opening.

David.

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Hi,

If I was guessing, and of course I am, I'd say that it looks like a three channel. Looks like the two lower trims are for rudder/aileron and the upper is for throttle.

Jamesf

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I thought it might be 3 channel. either way I can just look at it or rebuild it. I have a Kraft that might get a conversion attempt before this one though.

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Kewl Beans!!

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Chuck, here are photos of the Futaba transmitter I acquired. What a great piece of craftsmanship.

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WOW!!!!!

Where do you guys find this stuff? (And how much does this cost???)

doxilia, I read you (elsewhere) saying there might be another single stick radio manufactured in the near future. Was this wishful thinking, or do you have an inside scoop somewhere?

Brian

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Good catch Brian...

it's a bit early to say at this point. Let's just say its not quite wishful thinking. [8D]

David.

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I've got one just like that...my former employer wanted to learn to fly R/C, and just hadda have the most expensive radio that Tower sold...that was 1987.
He bought a Byron's "Pipe Dream" (remember those :eek: ) and I built it for him...he flew it about 6 or 7 times.
He was a pretty good full scale pilot...had a Cessna 180 and Piper PA-18-150, but...

After crashing the Pipe Dream a few times, he told me "Jeez, this R/C flying is a lot harder than I thought it was gonna be" and never tried it again.

I "aquired" all his R/C stuff a short while later...:D

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David,

here's a photo of someone's SS MP8K using Andy's original gimbal. The size of the case might be similar to your Proline (I think the proline's are shorter but deeper - the MP8K's are quite skinny) and gives an idea of how the radio can be laid out. Note that the MP8K is basically a predecessor to the MS2K encoder and so the switches used on the Ace MP8K's are very similar to those used on the MS2K conversions. This latter, has a few more options but it basically amounts to a couple more switches at most.

Are you interested in modernizing it or is it a collectible?

David.

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David, I have a Kraft that is a bit bigger (if i need more room) but yes I would like to modernize one or the other.

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What Kraft radio model is it? Do you have some pics?

David.

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David, will post pics when I get back home.

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I gave my 7 channel kraft single stick to Tony Stillman of Radio South at Perry he called yesterday, my Kraft is ready for shipment. I had it converted to 2.4 other than that he put a new Battery in it and installed a modern charging plug it also comes with a new compatible 6 channel receiver. I thought the price was very reasonable.
I'll put it it an old beater plane and test it.then maybe put it in my Kraft Kwik Fli, just seems appropriate. Pete

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Pete, that is the place to go to. They've done Kraft work for me before. I just need to make up my mind.

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David, I do understand the, Make up my mind thing, it took me 4 years before I gave Tony My Kraft Radio. It will just come to you and you'll do it. Pete

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Rv7driver
Did Tonydo the XPS 2.4 module on your Kraft? Can you post some pics of it too? I've put the XPS in two of my Kraft, haven't flown one yet but wx is getting better by the day! (by the way, I'm a RV6driver myself, N641RM).
Mark

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Mark, yes Tony installed the XPS module in the Kraft, he told me it was the best of all the options that were avaliable. He will be shipping my radio out tomorrow,should have it in a few days I'll post pic's when I get it.
When do you plan on flying yours I got a mule plane I use to test engines and now my kraft, Now back to adjusting the linkage the way they did back in the day!!!! no expo, dual rate, ect. LOL! Pete PS: are you going to sun& fun this year?? Hers a pic before I gave it to tony.

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I think you're going to like the XPS units RV7. They've been very reliable for me. I've not flown it in the Kraft just yet but range testing indicates it's going to be fine. I did use the Rf deck on two circa 1976 Pro-Lines and it worked great; I also use XPS in my Ace MP8K. I've got a few 8 and 10 Ch Rx,two park flyer 6 ch, and a new Nano;all the Tx modules and Rxs were updated at XPS last month and everything links up right waway. I'm probably going to fix the XPSRf deckinside the Kraft rather than have itmounted outside.I'm interested in the new charge plug that Tony installed in yurs, he was supppose to put a battery (deans) plug in mind but he forgot so I did it myself. I use the plugs from an old Pro-Line charger on a modern cycler to charge them but I don't have the plugs for the Kraft. I'll be looking for the pics when you get a chance. I'll probably be using my old Kaos mule for the test bed.
Mark

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Quick Question, Is the JR PCM 9 SS incompatible with 2.4 modules?

Does it only operate on PCM or does it have PPM signal that can be hacked?

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Paul send me an e-mail and I'll check at work tomorrow. My first reaction is it's PCM-only, in which case you'll want to give me that useless radio :)

Andy

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From what I've read, many of the PCM systems were not mode switchable so that would preclude them from using a 2.4 module.

There's another issue with the Japanese radios if one wanted to do anything other than get them on to 2.4 GHz. If one wanted to convert them to MS2K for example, it would prove a major challenge given the size, type and how the pots are used in Japanese radios. The MS2K uses the first 1/4 of the pot for the ADC signal to the encoder. Japanese radios are typically setup to use the center portion of the pot. Danny Miller told me that he did a JR MS2K once and would never again so the owner of that JR MS2K might have a very unique radio - apparently he's very happy with it. Danny says he put over 200 hours of labour into it!

David.

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Andy,
PCM-only is also my feeling after Looking over some paperwork on the radio.
I always flew on PCM vs just FM since it was available so, I never begged the question of PPM in this radio.
Indeed useless for me except for the case to build on.

E-mail on the way.

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Wow!![X(]

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Paul,

if you have a plan to build a computer radio using it for its case, switches and gimbal, check out those pots in it. It might require a fair bit of modification to the pots/stick in order to get the gimbal to calibrate with the MS2K. It might be easiest to wait for Andy's Lucky 7 to be ready and retrofit that stick into it. You'd still have the advantage of a good sized case and the various switches which could be used.

David.