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chino_2005 08-16-2011 01:04 AM

Curare construction ARG
 
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:" new="">Hi, I&acute;m from Argentina an I&acute;m building a Curare from MAN plans.
Here there are some photos.
I hope you enjoy my progress and advise me if I&acute;m doing something wrong. I am trying to do the Curare as per plans, without any modification.
Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

chino_2005 08-16-2011 01:07 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Some photos of the MAN plans.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...52520copia.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c...0/DSC01529.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X...0/DSC01528.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2...0/DSC01527.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r...0/DSC01526.JPG

chino_2005 08-16-2011 01:17 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
<p class="MsoNormal"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 13px;"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">First I have to copy the different parts of the Curare and see how the accessories fit in.</span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p></span></font></p>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8...0/DSC01536.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...52520copia.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-K...52520copia.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q...0/DSC01533.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L...0/DSC01531.JPG

chino_2005 08-16-2011 01:22 AM

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https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p...0/DSC02090.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-v...0/DSC02088.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o...0/DSC02086.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z...0/DSC01793.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G...0/DSC01790.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J...0/DSC01557.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...0/DSC01556.JPG

chino_2005 08-16-2011 01:23 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...0/DSC02107.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...0/DSC02106.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j...0/DSC02102.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...0/DSC02098.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k...0/DSC02094.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F...0/DSC02091.JPG

chino_2005 08-16-2011 01:36 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Working on the fuel tank.<div></div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F...0/DSC02113.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T...0/DSC02114.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-n...0/DSC02115.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3...0/DSC02117.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H...0/DSC02124.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...0/DSC02125.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-D...0/DSC02127.JPG</div>

chino_2005 08-16-2011 01:41 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;background:white" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:" new="" lang="EN-US">Cutting bulkheads and other pieces from Finnish plywood.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;background:white" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o...0/DSC02118.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6...0/DSC02123.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...0/DSC02128.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...0/DSC02129.JPG
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chino_2005 08-16-2011 01:50 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l...0/DSC02410.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H...0/DSC02407.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l...0/DSC02406.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_...0/DSC02357.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w...0/DSC02353.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...0/DSC02352.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a...0/DSC02222.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...0/DSC02218.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C...0/DSC02192.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...2/DSC02144.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...0/DSC02141.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G...0/DSC02140.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...0/DSC02137.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v...0/DSC02136.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-w...0/DSC02135.JPG

chino_2005 08-16-2011 01:57 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;background:white" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;background:white" class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Working on the workbench. It is very importantto have a perfectly flat surface. </span></span><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;background:white">I have tried different volts and hardware.https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P...2/DSC02429.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L...0/DSC02427.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...0/DSC02425.JPG</span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;background:white" class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q...0/DSC02421.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-I...0/DSC02422.JPG
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chino_2005 08-16-2011 02:03 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;background:white" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:" new="" lang="EN-US">My first attempt at cutting foam.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;background:white" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z...2/DSC02415.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c...0/DSC02430.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/wY...0/DSC02436.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o...0/DSC02439.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...0/DSC02440.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-C...0/DSC02441.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s...0/DSC02445.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-i...0/DSC02446.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j...0/DSC02447.JPG
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chino_2005 08-16-2011 02:07 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Going pro... foam cutting machine from scratch!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-M...0/DSC02463.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1...0/DSC02466.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v...0/DSC02468.JPG<div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S...0/DSC02464.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...0/DSC02465.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C...0/DSC02467.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x...0/DSC02472.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-M...0/DSC02471.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z...0/DSC02470.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5...0/DSC02473.JPG</div>

chino_2005 08-16-2011 02:18 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Let&acute;s try it with the stabilizer.<div></div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...0/DSC02474.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D...0/DSC02475.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...0/DSC02476.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G...0/DSC02477.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q...0/DSC02478.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-z...0/DSC02479.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...0/DSC02483.JPG</div><div></div><div>[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrNtdL0U85s[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTIR4sTIfPw&amp;feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

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dhal22 08-16-2011 02:37 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Quite a nice start. Please keep going.

chino_2005 08-16-2011 02:45 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Thank you David!

chino_2005 08-16-2011 02:51 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Now with the wings.
<div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y...0/DSC02496.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o...0/DSC02497.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...6/DSC02498.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x...0/DSC02499.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J...0/DSC02500.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V...0/DSC02501.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W...0/DSC02502.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5...0/DSC02503.JPG
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3...0/DSC02512.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d...2/DSC02505.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...2/DSC02506.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A...0/DSC02510.JPG</div><div></div><div>[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du11m3H7ZNo[/youtube]</div>

chino_2005 08-16-2011 03:57 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Working on landing gear bay.<div>
</div><div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s...0/DSC02544.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k...0/DSC02545.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-M...0/DSC02546.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L...0/DSC02547.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q...0/DSC02548.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...0/DSC02549.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K...0/DSC02607.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...0/DSC02609.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O...0/DSC02610.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-g...0/DSC02611.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-k...0/DSC02612.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-a...0/DSC02613.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k...0/DSC02616.JPG</div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-M...0/DSC02618.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r...0/DSC02617.JPG
</div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-j...0/DSC02620.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c...0/DSC02621.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...0/DSC02622.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5...0/DSC02623.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...0/DSC02624.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-B...0/DSC02626.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-U...0/DSC02629.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E...0/DSC02630.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O...0/DSC02631.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a...0/DSC02634.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K...0/DSC02635.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-O...0/DSC02636.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r...0/DSC02637.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n...0/DSC02638.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0...0/DSC02644.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q...0/DSC02645.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3...2/DSC02646.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f...2/DSC02647.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...0/DSC02648.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R...0/DSC02649.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F...0/DSC02650.JPGhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/b8...0/DSC02652.JPGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-s...0/DSC02654.JPG
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chino_2005 08-16-2011 04:03 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
A video of landing gear operation with restrictor´s valves.<div>
</div><div><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; " class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; " class="MsoNormal"><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; " class="MsoNormal"><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; " class="MsoNormal">[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slwe4_IGThU&amp;feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]</p></p></p></font></p></div>

RCFlyerDan 08-16-2011 05:04 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 


ORIGINAL: chino_2005

<p class=''MsoNormal'' style=''margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;background:white''><span lang=''EN-US'' style=''font-size:9.0pt;font-family:'' new=''''>Hi, I´m from Argentina an I´m building a Curare from RCM plans.
Here there are some photos.
I hope you enjoy mu progress and advise me if I´m doing something wrong. I am trying to do the Curare as per plans, without any modification.
Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
Hey! May I suggest a buddy of mine here in the USA that already has the Curare in CAD and can laser cut you the parts to any size that you need. He cut me a kit and I enlarged the plane to an 80 inch wing span. I have it started, but it isn't on the work table now. Please look at his site. He speaks Spanish too.
http://a-mmodels.com/

EscapeFlyer 08-16-2011 05:37 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
WHOA!!!!

Love the foam cutter! Could you explain more about the construction?

My questions are:

1- How much weight did you use to pull the cutter? (How do you know how much to use?)

2- How do you know where to place the pulleys to set it at the right cutting speed?

Great job building this wing! I am greatfull to people producing these threads that show us these techniques!

Subscribed!

Brian

hook57 08-16-2011 07:59 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Real nice start to a fine pattern plane Chino. Keep it going and keep us posted! Subscribed.

Mark

chino_2005 08-16-2011 08:29 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-US">Hi,</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="line-height: 115%; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span style="line-height: 115%; color: rgb(0, 38, 94); " lang="EN-US">RCFlyerDan</span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span style="line-height: 115%; " lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="line-height: 115%; " lang="EN-US">thank you for your offering! but I prefer to cut the pieces by myself.</span></span></span><span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;line-height:115%;font-family:" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;line-height:115%;font-family:" lang="EN-US"><o:p><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "></span></span></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="line-height: 115%; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span style="line-height: 115%; color: rgb(0, 38, 94); " lang="EN-US">Ilikebipes</span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span style="line-height: 115%; " lang="EN-US"></span>, I&acute;ve used materials that I&acute;ve found inArgentina, like pulleys, aluminum angles, etc. It is very easy and cheap to build the foam cutter. If you need more photos I can send you. The bow is hanging my neighbor&acute;s balcony, ja! He don&acute;t know that&hellip;</span></span><span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span style="line-height: 115%; " lang="EN-US">For the weight look atthe video and you&acute;ll see two wrenches (6&rdquo; aprox), it is enough and the temperature of the cable made the rest, I only increase the current until it starts to vibrate. It travel very smooth and it worked very well at first try. </span></span></span><span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;line-height:115%;font-family:" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span style="line-height: 115%; " lang="EN-US">For distance, I have a nExcel program where I have to put the root and tip chords and the distance between them and by trigonometry it give me the exact distance. Then I try to adjust the distance by try an error until it travel moving the cutter with the wing in place and see how start and how it finish. With only minor changes I can get the right distance.</span></span></span><span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;line-height:115%;font-family:" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span style="line-height: 115%; " lang="EN-US">Look at this video, isin Spanish but it is self explaining:</span></span></span><span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;line-height:115%;font-family:" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;line-height:115%;font-family:" lang="EN-US"><o:p><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "></span></span></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size: larger; ">http://modernhmong.com/?w=cortador+foam&amp;button=Search</span></span></span></p><span style="font-size: larger; "><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-US"><o:p><span style="font-size: larger; "></span></o:p></span></span></p><span style="font-size: larger; "><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-US">Hope this help, and sorry my English, maybe it&acute;s not very good.</span></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: larger; "><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-US">Chino</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

chino_2005 08-16-2011 08:31 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:" lang="EN-US">Thank you Hook57! I&acute;m pretty advanced with the construction right know, so I&acute;ll add more photos when I can.</span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div></div>

MTK 08-16-2011 06:36 PM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 


ORIGINAL: Ilikebipes

WHOA!!!!

Love the foam cutter! Could you explain more about the construction?

My questions are:

1- How much weight did you use to pull the cutter? (How do you know how much to use?)

2- How do you know where to place the pulleys to set it at the right cutting speed?

Great job building this wing! I am greatfull to people producing these threads that show us these techniques!

Subscribed!

Brian
Brian, and all,

It's a simple ratio of arcs (partial circumferences) I have an excel file that will take you to many different ratios of root to chord. I think I have the formula in there too so you can do custom stuff.

I built my rig many years ago and lost it in the various moves. Just recently re-built it and it's simpler yet. The power supply is the cheap but very functional Ruttan inspired set-up that Aircraft Spruce sells. The bow is a simple fiberglass flag rod that Home Depot sells...the 6 foot variety.

It is a hands off set-up. It only takes a 2 lb weight to produce very good results for the very high tapered stuff I like in my designs. 3:1 root to tip ratio is typical; 22" root 7" tip

Any old style wings are much much easier to cut because the root to tip is no more than about 1.6:1

Well, on second thought, it's simple to me. I've been doing this since 1968, so my apologies in advance if I sound as tho I'm talking down.

chino_2005 08-17-2011 01:42 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Sheeting wing and stabilizer.<div>
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crankpin 08-17-2011 02:26 AM

RE: Curare construction ARG
 
Thanks for this thread, Chino. Lot of us following along.

Crank


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