How do these fly?
 

Ihave been trying to find an ARF for my DLE20, since the plane I had put it in just can't handle the power, but so far all I can find is a big stick 60 and Idont like the looks of the plane. The rest of the planes that the DLE can fit are Pattern or 3D, and about the only one Ican find that fits my budget is something like the GPEscapade.

What level up from a trainer are these planes? Right now Ifly a Kadet with a modified wing of 1" Dihedral, but still flat bottomed, but I also fly a T-34 PTS which will soon go glow once I get the motor for it. The plane I had the DLE20 in was a huge parasol winged ugly thing, that had a nearly flat wing, it had no stability on it, but Iwas able to fly it just fine, until the rudder pushrod came apart. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../cry_smile.gif I'm repairing that one and putting a Magnum 91 FS on it, more the correct size motor for it, and looking for a plane to use the DLE on. So far all the suggested planes that interested me are no longer available. Iwould like to get something quickly to get a second flying plane in addition to my Kadet.

How well do they handle slow speeds? With Expo and low rates would they be OK for a next level up plane? What about a Bipe like the christen eagle?

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If you want an ARF and based on what you say you are flying, I think you'd have plenty of fun with a symmetrical wing design such as a Big Stick. A symmetrical wing (or even semi-symmetrical) actually flies. A flat bottom wing basically floats around and wants to sit on it's a.. every stick movement you give it. A Big Stick 60 is lots of fun. Question is, the DLE is probably too heavy and not quite the peppy job you might want. Gassers do better on big models in my view but the 20 cc might do nicely on a 90 size scale aerobatic design such as a CAP, YAK or Edge. Even a Chipmunk or Zlin would be fun. I believe that Phoenix Models makes a decent looking Zlin ARF. No idea how it flies though. I think if you aim for 9-10 lbs max AUW, it will give you some thrills.

David

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I was looking at the Chipmunk, but cant seem to find the right one, either it requires a 30CC or is under 90 FS glow.  The places listing ARF ones are all out of stock, which is becoming quite annoying.  The one I wanted has been discontinued too.  If I could get a big stick uncovered and do my own cover job,I might consider it, but I dont like the ones they have out there.

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ARC's are few and far between these days. Buy a Big Stick, strip and re-cover it to your liking.

I don't like saying it but you generally won't get much joy on the subject of ARF's in this forum. Less yet on gassers. You might want to move the discussion to an ARF forum for better feedback.

David

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David, well said. I was already wondering what to say on this thread as I was reading it. You did quite well.

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Another point to mention is about raising one's flying proficiency by utilizing a computer simulator. There is no substitute for stick time, but computer simulator stick time can be of tremendous value too. The Real Flight simulator's rendition of symmetrically airfoiled models could help you become comfortable with flying that type of airfoil a snap. You might even be able to borrow a friend's simulator long enough to accomplish the mission. It shouldn't take more than a few weeks to become accustomed to flying the hotter airplanes.

The Hobby People "Dragon Lady" is a good symmetrically airfoiled model and it should accept your DLE 20cc engine just fine.


Ed, NM2K

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I nice plane for your DLE 20 would be a Great Planes Revolver 70". I picked up one from Tower hobbies shipped for $175 bucks two months ago. I was considering getting a DLE 20 for mine, but since I have a new in the O.S 120AX I might as well just use it. I have seen several of the Revolvers with the DLE and they fly great. There are several of them on you tube with the DLE 20. Good Luck

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Hi,
Hangar 9 Pulse 125 ARF will work with a 20 cc gas engine.
Probably not to difficult for You to fly, if a low wing is the prefered type of plane.
http://www.hangar-9.com/Products/Def...ProdID=HAN5170

/Bo</p>

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My question isn't in regards to an ARF, but to the actual type of plane. Who better to describe how one flys, handles, reacts, than those who actually fly one. :) I have flown them on the Sim. Ican take off and land and fly it OK,but I can also fly an Osprey on the sim. The Sim can only simulate so much, the real world flying is so much different, for example, it doesnt simulate turbulance coming over the roof of a barn, or fluctuating cross winds at varying altitudes, ot wind coming across the runway past a building.

For comparison, Ihave an Eflite T-34 PTS which has semi symetrical wings, but droops on the ends to prevent tip stall. Once I get the electric motor switched out with a glow, I plan to remove them. How close is say a Revolver to the T-34 wing setup without the droops? Is it an intermediate plane, and how does it handle slow speeds? Does it suffer tip stall like a scale or semi scale P-51?

Iask because it seems the majority of kits or arfs happen to be either sport pattern or 3D, or a Bipe. Frankly, I just want to know what to expect out of one of these. It's either one of these, or jump right into a 1/7th scale ARF warbird. Ican fly the TopFlite P-51 on the Sim pretty good. If something like the Revolver or similar handles the same, or slightly better, IE less likely to go Flip Boom Bang when going slow, that would be good. Not that Ifly slow all the time, Iusually fly half throttle, only so I dont get into trouble, and the Kadet just flies SO nice at that speed. I also seem to land and take off with a tail dragger much better than a Trike.

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OK, Beating my head again, Here is another one that is no longer available. It's getting frustrating, all kinds of GOOD suggestions and every one of them tends to be discontinued. :( Ireally like the looks of the Ultra Stick, but not available, same for 4* 60 and 120. Of course the only one that is avaiable is the big stick, which to me is big stink. Idont like the looks of it.

What about something like the GPEscapade? It can take a 1.20 or 20 CC.

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Problem solved, found a 4*120 ARF Hidden on a top shelf at my LHS.  Got it for $275.  Thanks for the feedback, now I have a plane to assemble.

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Yes, SIG Four-Star 120 ARF will probably be a nice plane for You to fly.
http://www.sigmfg.com/IndexText/SIGRC65ARFR.html

Good luck with the flying. Please post here again later how You think it fly.

/Bo

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Maiden will be either next week or the week after, depends on if I have to wait for a part to get it flying.  I need to get a few extensions, and maybe a servo arm for the pull-pull, but I should have everything else to get it ready. <div>
</div><div>Excited!</div>

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Many racing planes use a flat bottom wing or partially flat. But a lot thinner.All trainers have a very thick wing and usually flat. Flat is good for lift and many designs do not increase drag it is largely the thick wing with an airfoil designed for high lift at slow speeds, not just because they are flat per say. I have a scale model of a T6 with a flat bottom wing that is very fast.

For the OP, I would suggest one of the 90 or even 1.20 sized sprort planes. Perhaps the large super sportster which was designed by . You could probably handle some of the slower pattern planes but generally the sport planes will fly and land a bit slower.

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Just for kicks I flew an Extra 300 on the sim. I handled surprisingly well.  I see a lot of this type out there.  Both times that I landed it was right on the runway, which is unusual for me on the sim, I usually cant get the darn thing lined up no matter what I fly.  I even had it doing a knife edge and inverted passes.  All this while laying n bed with the laptop on my chest and the controller over my head. <div>
</div><div>I did crash it several times, only because of the small screen and getting the plane in a bad angle  where I couldn't tell where it was in relation to the ground, something that the sim is really flawed at.  The rest of the time when I got it low I was able to recover it in time. </div><div>
</div><div>What other plane on the Realflight sim should I try out that would hone my skills with this type of plane?  I want to get some practice in before I maiden the 4*.  The plane is almost RTF, waiting on a muffler, and still have to complete the tail install and setup, then get the gear on, and the radio setup. Hopefully the muffler arrives soon so I can balance it and find out where to place the batteries.  I posted a couple pics of it so far under the 4*120 kit build in the kit forum.</div>

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Well, I now have 2 flights on the 4*120 with the DLE20 and it is a very nice flying plane. I like how it floats when landing, but can get wild in the sky. Takes a little getting used to turning with the rudder since it reacts different from the Kadet in many ways. It will drop its nose, and not tend to roll, so I tend to over correct the roll. It is pretty cool to do a donut in the sky though! :)

What kind of plane is the 4* considered to be? 

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low wing trainer/sport plane

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you are all over the map . have you any interest in flying pattern?