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Old 04-06-2013, 09:13 AM
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ORIGINAL: joebahl
Yep we know who they are .they are the ones who have flown forever but because of old age their eyes and reflexes are going but they still bring out big planes to crash and scare the rest of the club. These are the same old flyers that hit the gas pedel in their car and meant to hit the brake and run into a store . I can say this because iam pushing 60 but when its time for me to stop flying /driving or riding my motorcycle and just build models i will know it and do so . joe
You must mean the ones that take off from behind their planes!

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Old 04-06-2013, 09:18 AM
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I asked earlier and nobody responded, so I will throw this out there again.

If a pilot is not capable/comfortable taking off from the established pilot stations, wouldn't the best solution be to have him hook up to a buddy box with a pilot who was capable/comfortable of doing so?

This way, nobody else at the field would have to feel unsafe/insecure or have to be otherwise inconvenienced by one pilots' actions.

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Old 04-06-2013, 09:26 AM
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I don't understand why someone would need to stand behind an airplane when taking off. Is this a proficiency issue, an orientation problem, or what ? I think you are addressing the symptom and not the underlying problem.
Old 04-06-2013, 09:28 AM
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ORIGINAL: astrohog

I asked earlier and nobody responded, so I will throw this out there again.

If a pilot is not capable/comfortable taking off from the established pilot stations, wouldn't the best solution be to have him hook up to a buddy box with a pilot who was capable/comfortable of doing so?

This way, nobody else at the field would have to feel unsafe/insecure or have to be otherwise inconvenienced by one pilots' actions.

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Old 04-06-2013, 09:32 AM
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ORIGINAL: sweatybetty

after reading all 4 pages of this thread, it makes me thankful that i belong to a club where everyone is laid back, relaxed and just wanting to fly and have a good time.
Good to be laid back ... but much of this is a "SAFTEY" issue and though laid back may be good for U and no Strife in your club .... I just hope U arn't tolerating bad flyers and compremizing "SAFTEY" for Tranquility.
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ORIGINAL: TexasAirBoss

I don't understand why someone would need to stand behind an airplane when taking off. Is this a proficiency issue, an orientation problem, or what ? I think you are addressing the symptom and not the underlying problem.
Aperantily U have the profincy and are able to put the plane where U want ... Unforutinally there are many, Too many in this hobby that don't have your skill and probably never will. but if we can make them safer or save enough that's all that's going to happen. I've harped and harped for years at our local club in Wisconsin, about it and all U do is make prople angray and then U are the villian here causing Discord among the troops is the way my fellow flyers pot it. So last summer I never said one word (OUTLOUD) about it and guess what ... they started talking to me again. But more was mentioned to the bad pilots from the other guys. Imagian that.
Old 04-06-2013, 09:42 AM
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Can't we all just get along?... Funny how one guy's safety issue is another guy's unsafety issue. We have all seen the European guys standing behind the plane a lot for takeoff in the crasher videos. Hint Hint Yet, while in Germany I never noticed anyone doing this. They all flew from the edge of the field from marked flight boxes.

The only thing I noticed really funny was a guy walking behind his helicopter around the field. He walked it everywhere and never flew it above 2-3 feet. I was just dieing to laugh out loud but restrained myself.

No matter what you guys want to say, I think that it is a confidence/training issue. So who the hell and I to tell you that you are doing it wrong?? Please, just fly safely, and don't hit me, my property, my dog, or my planes. To keep things simple, everyone should probably use one method and not a combination of methods. It is everyone's responsibility to enforce the local standards... not just the safety officer.
Old 04-06-2013, 10:11 AM
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You made a comment about the guy walking behind his helicopter and he took it around the field. Walk in his shoes if you dare before making such comments about learning to fly model helicopters. What the fellow was doing is part of the learning process.
Old 04-06-2013, 10:43 AM
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ORIGINAL: on_your_six

Can't we all just get along?... Funny how one guy's safety issue is another guy's unsafety issue. We have all seen the European guys standing behind the plane a lot for takeoff in the crasher videos. Hint Hint Yet, while in Germany I never noticed anyone doing this. They all flew from the edge of the field from marked flight boxes.

The only thing I noticed really funny was a guy walking behind his helicopter around the field. He walked it everywhere and never flew it above 2-3 feet. I was just dieing to laugh out loud but restrained myself.

No matter what you guys want to say, I think that it is a confidence/training issue. So who the hell and I to tell you that you are doing it wrong?? Please, just fly safely, and don't hit me, my property, my dog, or my planes. To keep things simple, everyone should probably use one method and not a combination of methods. It is everyone's responsibility to enforce the local standards... not just the safety officer.
I agree every club has different rules and fly by yours. BTW dont hit me either.lol joe
Old 04-06-2013, 10:55 AM
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I have a Piper L-4 that I had a difficult time taking off. I did not correctly anticipate when and the amount of rudder needed to keep it straight.
After a couple of takeoffs standing behind it I could see and anticiapte the needed correction. Now no longer need to take off behind it.
Standing behind the plane gave me a better view of what was going on.
Harold.
Old 04-06-2013, 11:18 AM
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is there anythi ng else to talk about let the flyers do what they want to as long as the others agree
Old 04-06-2013, 01:00 PM
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If you are in the field alone do whatever it suits you, if they are three other planes up in the air for Gods sake don't stand in the runway, someone is going to fly their plane into your back
Old 04-06-2013, 01:06 PM
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ORIGINAL: lopflyers

If you are in the field alone do whatever it suits you, if they are three other planes up in the air for Gods sake don't stand in the runway, someone is going to fly their plane into your back
Thanks for saying this! It's exactly what we do at our field. If you are alone, do what you want. But when there are others, a pilot must stand behind our safety fence for his good and that of our other pilots. Jon
Old 04-06-2013, 02:22 PM
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Standing on the runway is great and all, when you take off; but, how on earth do you propose to land?

The major beef, I have with standing behind a model airplane, is that it is impossible to watch the ground and the aircraft, at the same time.
Attempting to changeground postition, during the flight, puts the model pilot in danger of tripping over an obstacle on the ground.

I agree that the practice is dangerous, and should only be used as an exception. Not the rule ....

The use of a spotter, or the maiden flight of a new aircraft, could be considered exceptions.
Day-to-day flights, with other aircraft flying, and other pilots along the flightline, is the rule.


ORIGINAL: Conrod

Are pilots allowed to stand on the runway behind their plane for take off in your club.
Our club allows this, I myself think the practice is dangerous what do others think?
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ORIGINAL: on_your_six

No matter what you guys want to say, I think that it is a confidence/training issue.
Well said ....

Standing behind the model, during takeoff, is a "crutch" that people use. Like training wheels, on a bike.
I'd recommend a flight simulator or a flight instructor, before all else. Better learning tools, for the real world.
Old 04-06-2013, 02:39 PM
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at my field we have around 15 old men flying all around 70 plus and we fly one at a time never no more then 7 at a time at the field and iam 81 we all get along good 800 ft. long black top runway
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I have been flying them for about 5 years now... never seen it before or since. You walk your dog, you walk your kids, you don't walk your heli. It is called RC (remote control) otherwise use a leash.

ORIGINAL: flycatch

You made a comment about the guy walking behind his helicopter and he took it around the field. Walk in his shoes if you dare before making such comments about learning to fly model helicopters. What the fellow was doing is part of the learning process.
Old 04-06-2013, 03:15 PM
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Our club has adopted the AMA safety code so all flying is done from the pilot’s box behind the safety fence.

"21. Pilots must stand only in the marked "pilots' box." Only pilots, instructors, and spotters are permitted to stand in the pilots' box."
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Our club has adopted the AMA safety code so all flying is done from the pilot’s box behind the safety fence.

''21. Pilots must stand only in the marked ''pilots' box.'' Only pilots, instructors, and spotters are permitted to stand in the pilots' box.''

Although I can't find the terms, " Pilots Box " or " Safety Fense" on my copy of the 2013 AMA Safety Code, I did find the term "Safety Line". And the rule states,

"Only personnel associated with flying the model are allowed at or in front of the Safety Line"

So personnel are allowed on the runway, ( or in front of the safety line), according to the SC.

Where did you find rule number 21 ? Am I missing part of the Code ?
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ORIGINAL: on_your_six

I have been flying them for about 5 years now... never seen it before or since. You walk your dog, you walk your kids, you don't walk your heli. It is called RC (remote control) otherwise use a leash.

ORIGINAL: flycatch

You made a comment about the guy walking behind his helicopter and he took it around the field. Walk in his shoes if you dare before making such comments about learning to fly model helicopters. What the fellow was doing is part of the learning process.
Flying what fixed wing aircraft. You come across arrogant and blinded by a case of tunnel vision.
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I can take off from any position. Do i take off standing from behind the plane? Yes but not all the time. It depends on the direction I am taking off from and the wind. It has to do with my field.

All you "shouldn't be in the hobby of you stand behind your plane"sayers need to relax. Not everyone is as perfect as you. If it helps a guy to enjoy his airplane then so be it. I think common sense tells you not to stand in the runway when your not the only one at the field.
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+ 1





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Very few full scale pilots stay behind a fence ,they are usually behind the motor looking down the runway...




I might add I DID do a take off from behind my plane today, Just to honor this thread ! It was blowing about 30 knots, and I wanted to fly my little foam jet. Well the wind kept blowing it over, and backwards down the petrol mat. So I took the walk of shame out to the runway where I could point my jet into the wind and let it go. It was a little hairy at first, but the walk back to the fence (while flying)was accomplished without casualties...
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Wouldn't a buddy box be the best solution to this problem?

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ORIGINAL: Conrod

Are pilots allowed to stand on the runway behind their plane for take off in your club.
Our club allows this, I myself think the practice is dangerous what do others think?
Ref. the original post: My main club, Jetero RC Club, Inc. has this rule in their field rules.

>>"7. Pilots and Callers and or Helpers will stand at the pilot stations while flying. Pilot will
call out to other pilots that he/she is going onto the runway, Taking-Off, or Landing.
(NOTE: It is permissible to make a Take-Off from the runway, but after the Take-Off,
proceed to the first available Pilot Station.)"

As an RC flier in many fields and areas, over some 45 years, I see nothing wrong with this procedure. As an Instructor pilot in USAF, both T-33 and T-38, along within
instructing newer arrivals in Long Range Navigation and Strategic Bombardment, Strategic Air Command, 2nd Bomb Wing, 429th and 96th Bomb Squadrons, I have had a bit of background in instruction, flying and classroom. Therefore I think for an initial training period, it is very good to allow the student to get a feel of what the airplane is doing as he/she attempts to stear from behind-the-machine in his/her original Take-Off Training. IMO, the student can then better understand what is happening when he/she moves to the sideline.
Good training and UNDERSTANDING both pilot technique and the airplane's natural desire to do its own thing increases the student pilot's perception of his/her required inputs in progressing in the training phase. The most dangerous situations happen when (1) a student is soloed too early for his/her experience and abilities, and (2) the student, instructor, or even experienced pilot has the instilled pilot thing of "Now watch this" along with the proverbial "OH SH_T" following. BTDT.
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