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Old 07-25-2022, 09:06 AM
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Old 07-25-2022, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mgnostic
I like jets and warbirds as much as the next fellow but that is about all you see at the local airshows. It is nice to see some variety.
My sentiments exactly.
Old 07-27-2022, 11:52 AM
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Nice change of pace video DAVID those Bipes are interesting but I could never get much from them as I am a war baby, born in 1941 and it has been war planes ever since.
But as it has been said more variety is a pleasant change. That guy in the video looks mighty familiar!

Today is a happy day it marks the end of radiation therapy for me and my P S A readings is zero I still have some form of injections that get my body all jibbity with cold swets an such for the next year but it's better than cancer.

KAROLH ........................... Good to hear from you! I trust alls well.
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Hi Donnyman, I am doing okay all things considered.
That's wonderful news re your current PSA reading, and hopefully the remainder of your medical journey will be as successful. Will continue to keep you in my prayers
Never realised until now that we share the same birth year.

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Old 07-27-2022, 07:29 PM
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Considering that David posted the nice video of the US National Anthem played before the queen shortly after 9-11, here is something nice by a U.S. military academy:

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Old 07-27-2022, 08:05 PM
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GG, that's a first rate band, especially for a bunch of cadets.

Donny, the De Havilland Tiger Moth, as you are doubtless aware, was the primary trainer of the RAF and British Commonwealth air forces throughout the Second World War so in a way it's a war-bird too! In model form they are said to be excellent fliers too and if the gentleman who filmed the aeroplanes looks familiar, perhaps you met him somewhere. I believe that he's an engineer in the aviation industry.

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Old 07-28-2022, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GallopingGhostler
Considering that David posted the nice video of the US National Anthem played before the queen shortly after 9-11, here is something nice by a U.S. military academy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBNw9qEXn-k
WELL DONE MR. GHOSTLER ...... WELL DONE!

I needed that.
Old 07-28-2022, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by David John Davis
GG, that's a first rate band, especially for a bunch of cadets.

Donny, the De Havilland Tiger Moth, as you are doubtless aware, was the primary trainer of the RAF and British Commonwealth air forces throughout the Second World War so in a way it's a war-bird too! In model form they are said to be excellent fliers too and if the gentleman who filmed the aeroplanes looks familiar, perhaps you met him somewhere. I believe that he's an engineer in the aviation industry.
Please do not mistake my preferences to be demeaning. It's like vanilla ice cream is delicious but I prefer butter pecan. I was treated to a five hanger walk through in Washington's D.C. the Garber restoration center and was awe struck by what I always thought was someones dreams of what might be built to put man in the air only to be informed these flying objects of odd and weird configuration actually flew and were real, I cannot tell you how shocked I was and had one of the most thrilling moments of my life. I actually saw the Enola Gay in restoration and a ww 1 Farmen (french?) bomber in its original fabric covering nothing was a copy all were original. I saw a Horten jet powered flying wing that looked to me at the time to be a pile of rotting wood. planes of such variety and abundance over whelmed me. I was just as impressed by the bipes and fabric birds as the heavy metal stuff. The actual public museum was anticlimatic in comparison.
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Old 07-28-2022, 07:57 AM
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The Farman was indeed a French WW1 bomber which was later used as a trainer. I suppose if you could fly a Farman you could fly anything!

The company was owned by three English brothers, Morris, Henry and Richard Farman who were born in Paris to English parents in the last quarter of the Nineteenth Century. At some stage they took French nationality and Morris and Henry changed their names to Maurice and Henri. Richard did not have to. The spelling of his name is the same in French and in English though the pronunciation is different.

The grandfather of one of my clubmates was killed at the controls of a Farman 11 in December 1915. He built a model replica which proved to be equally difficult to fly as the original!


Old 07-28-2022, 08:13 AM
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Let me guess lack of rudder authority and flight instability?
Old 07-28-2022, 09:18 AM
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I dunno, I've never flown it but the club's expert who once finished tenth in the French Nationals found it difficult to fly and both he and the builder only managed one circuit and a hurried landing in 2018. It's never flown since!
Old 07-28-2022, 09:40 AM
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Beautiful Farman but I'll bet it has some serious adverse yaw.
Old 07-28-2022, 12:24 PM
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That pic of the model Farman looked far better than the one at the restoration center, it was found in a barn in France long after the war and was stored in a poorly lit area the fabric was torn and hanging down which presented a very eerie feeling in all of us as if someone was looking back at us the tour guide did not wish to linger at all. someone said the engine was a Puegeot?

The restoration center was strictly run, no touching or pictures were allowed, I steaded myself while looking at a corsair with one hand and was almost ejected from the place. they did not play.
All the materials used were of original MANUF. and were preserverd to last for over one hundred years or more but nothing was repaired only preserved. to protect the history as it was. The bearings in a jet engine of a Nazi twin engine bomber were worn out but was preserved and reinstalled to keep the history of the moment-- I guess? I was surprised at the small size of it the pilot lay prone at the controls and the original versions of it landed on skids. I do not recall it's designation. the cockpit was only a few feet feet off the ground. it was easy to look into.

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Old 07-28-2022, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mgnostic
Beautiful Farman but I'll bet it has some serious adverse yaw.
What makes you say that?? the aileron location?
Old 07-28-2022, 08:33 PM
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The standard engine fitted to the Farman 11 was an air cooled Renault 8D V eight. I suspect that this was the same engine as was fitted to the early British BE2s, or at least a development of it.

Today there are three major French car manufacturers: Citroen, Peugeot and Renault. If you buy a car from any one of these firms it will have the same engine and floor pan as any similar sized car produced by the other two manufacturers. The cambox will have a different name cast into it!
Old 07-29-2022, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by David John Davis
Today there are three major French car manufacturers: Citroen, Peugeot and Renault. If you buy a car from any one of these firms it will have the same engine and floor pan as any similar sized car produced by the other two manufacturers. The cambox will have a different name cast into it!
I believe that happens a lot in the car industry, Volkswagen and GM brands for instance. Look at the old 1950s Buick V8 design, I think half of Europe has based engines off it at one time or another.
Old 07-29-2022, 05:11 AM
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Rover certainly put a Buick V8 into their P6 and SDI cars. Picture of a P6 estate car I once owned attached.



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Standard Triumph, Leyland, and Saab used it and I think Volvo might have had one too.
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Originally Posted by donnyman
What makes you say that?? the aileron location?
Partly, It is a long wing on a relatively slow, high drag aircraft. It also has relatively little side area. The descending aileron/warping wing increases lift but that lift also creates a lot of drag out on the end of a long lever. It's one of the reasons aileron differential is so useful.
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
Standard Triumph, Leyland, and Saab used it and I think Volvo might have had one too.
There was also a factory MGB V8. My impression is that there were a lot more MGCs with the straight six though.
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Originally Posted by mgnostic
There was also a factory MGB V8. My impression is that there were a lot more MGCs with the straight six though.
Here is a good article on the history of MG V8s.

https://silodrome.com/mgb-v8-buying-guide/
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The local Salvation Army has an older Isuzu box lorry with rear lift gate. It has a gasoline Chev. 350 with Chev. drive train.

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Old 07-30-2022, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mgnostic
Partly, It is a long wing on a relatively slow, high drag aircraft. It also has relatively little side area. The descending aileron/warping wing increases lift but that lift also creates a lot of drag out on the end of a long lever. It's one of the reasons aileron differential is so useful.
Thank you!
I like to consider aeronautics from someone else because it provokes my thoughts, many times things I fail to remember what I was taught.

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Old 07-30-2022, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by donnyman
Thank you!
I like to consider aeronautics from someone else because it provokes my thoughts, many times things I fail to remember what I was taught.
Or as Winnie the Pooh once said: I very often remember to forget these sorts of things.
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Originally Posted by flyboy2610
Or as Winnie the Pooh once said: I very often remember to forget these sorts of things.
Yes but by asking it reinforced what I already knew. but could not make sense of it in my mind. What mgnostic stated cleared my rusty brain. So I remembered what was forgot and it happens more often than I remember what I thunk to think ...........

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