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Old 08-25-2023, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by David John Davis
Flight of my Big Guff at the vintage fly-in at Cocklebarrow Farm, Gloucestershire, England, 20th August 2023. It was rather windy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_35kRwvRQVI
She sure didn't need much space to take off. Love the video and the sound of the Laser engine.
Old 08-25-2023, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
She sure didn't need much space to take off. Love the video and the sound of the Laser engine.
I deliberately gave it full power and full up elevator to avoid hitting the stone wall.
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I was wondering why you took off in toward the wall I thought it might had something to do with wind direction.
Old 08-25-2023, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by David John Davis
I deliberately gave it full power and full up elevator to avoid hitting the stone wall.
Very impressive T.O. Wing area and Horsepower is hard to beat. That four stroker has a smooth sound ....enjoy!
Old 08-31-2023, 11:42 AM
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A longer video of the Cocklebarrow Farm Rally filmed by Mark Robinson.

Old 08-31-2023, 12:26 PM
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Great video! Every time I see the Old Timers I keep thinking of building a Goldberg Valkyrie, in a smaller size than the original, but I have too many projects already!
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Regarding the Valkyrie, I have wondered if anyone has ever compared a wing with the built up ribs with one made with sheet ribs. It might make a difference if you are competing for that .01 of a second but I sometimes think that Carl was a masochist.
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Originally Posted by mgnostic
Regarding the Valkyrie, I have wondered if anyone has ever compared a wing with the built up ribs with one made with sheet ribs. It might make a difference if you are competing for that .01 of a second but I sometimes think that Carl was a masochist.
Truth be told It's the built up ribs that stops from building it.
Old 09-01-2023, 10:13 AM
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Carl Goldberg's 62" (1575 mm) wingspan Cessna 172 Skylane and 42" (1067 mm) wingspan Jr. Skylane built into beautiful semi-scale models with nice flight characteristics. But, they were more complex in building than many would like to do, preferring simpler to build kits. I built the Jr. in the late 1970's, Golden Bee powered under a Mattel single channel proportional magnetic actuator. (Then, these surplus radio sets used originally in an RTF sold for $19.95 each from America's Hobby Center.)

Some complained about the quality of kit wood back in the 1960's. However, then things were so competitive that the manufacturers did all sorts of tricks like packing the most amount of balsa in a kit to reduce warehousing and shipping costs, so kits could be sold at bottom dollar prices. Plus, cutting prices included using heavier cuts of balsa wood. It is why kit wood was often less than optimal but overall, adequate. Except for maybe a few pieces needing redone in better scrap balsa by the modeller, they would build into a flyable model. However, if one wanted to compete in serious national competitions, they dispensed with the kit wood and substituted better quality, lighter sufficiently strong wood.

However, I still long for the days, because then everything was affordable. Kits were manufactured then in more than tens of thousands per year in each model. I remember as an adolescent, buying Comet rubber powered stick and tissue kits at the Cornet variety store in my neighborhood in the mid 1960's. Cheapest of their kits, the walnut scale light planes and peanut scale WW-1 planes sold for only $0.69 and a very low sales tax (like 3.5%), cheap enough for an 11 YO to afford. I built nearly all of their lower end kits. Favorite and best flyer was their 18" (457 mm) wingspan stick and tissue North American P-51B. It was lightweight framed, first low winger I had that flew decent under rubber power.
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Old 09-02-2023, 07:31 AM
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Rather than Goldberg being a masochist, I think the Valkyrie must have been the result of a bet as to how large an aircraft could be built just using 1/8 in square stock. I can understand wanting to do an nice old timer though. I've got several engines that would be suited to such an airplane.
Old 09-02-2023, 07:35 AM
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G. Ghostler

You put me on a way back when trip. I remember well the things you spoke of but even then I had to hustle to afford what ever I got. I think that is what made it so special.
I spent hours hanging around hobby shops with empty pockets AHC was a short train ride from my home in Brooklyn. POLKS was beyond belief fantastical, It was a six story high store with different magical hobby stuff on every one. I still get stomach flutters thinking about it.

A 5 cent piece was a exciting experience for me and it could buy something of value, (chuck glider) Purchasing for me from the 1940's thru the 1960's was always hindered by my finances. I remember a Sterling kit PT-19 control line kit, I worked for in a hobby shop, the wood was so hard I could barely cut it (1950's) I wouldn't trade the memory.

I remember the Valkyrie to be huge and far above my skill set until I had to construct a wing section with built up ribs In high school, The challenge shook me to my core and boosted my confidence far beyond my wildest dreams, but those finance problems persisted into the late 60's none the less I was a happy person, more then than now.

You Ghostler, seem to epitomize Those I envied (spelled jealousy) because they had that which I could not afford but being around people like many here in this thread made me excited and challenged me to do better. I am and have been Blessed.

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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
Truth be told It's the built up ribs that stops from building it.
Go for it, the challenge and feeling of accomplishment when finished would be overwhelming.
Old 09-02-2023, 09:25 AM
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It would have to be scaled down a bit I don't have a way of transporting or storing something that large. I could go the laser cut rib way if I could find a short kit the right scale.
Old 09-02-2023, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
It would have to be scaled down a bit I don't have a way of transporting or storing something that large. I could go the laser cut rib way if I could find a short kit the right scale.
check out the outerzone they have three size plans.
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You are welcome, Donny, thanks for taking us down memory road by your experiences. Then we were living in Biloxi, Mississippi, after moved to Hawaii where I started 7th grade, stayed there 17 years. Thus, a trip to Polk, Penn Valley Hobby, America's Hobby Center, etc. were out of the question.

Before UPS and FedEx, I'd order from AHC and other companies, wait a month for a package to arrive by USPS Sea Mail. It was slow but affordable. It is just too bad that we no longer have such services.

In Biloxi, would occasionally visit the park benches and trash for pop bottles, (not everybody did recycling), then 2 cents for smaller, 3 cents for larger. 30 bottles was enough to buy a Comet plane kit. I had a carrying basket on the front of my bicycle handle bars, which was enough to carry the pop bottles, taking them to the local A&P groceries for recycling cash. Would get some money from my parents for mowing the grass.

In high school, I worked on poultry farms after school for two years, which helped me to earn my keep to buy kits, half-A engines and supplies. Then they had Pete's Model Hobbycraft in the Ala Moana Shopping Center at the edge of Waikiki. Pete kept the modellers well supplied until his chain of hobby stores in the islands went out of business in the late 1970's. He sold to another, who didn't understand the hobby business, went down hill shortly after.
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On the topic of memory lane a friend and I would walk the streets of our small town on a Saturday afternoon to gather up enough pop bottles to cash in for a soda and a Sleek Streak. The same grocery store where we cashed in our bottles would dump the bottle caps from the soda machine in an empty lot next to the store. The pile of bottle caps was literally two feet high. I sifted enough Sprite bottle caps to get the Testor's Sopwith Camel. It was a good childhood.
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Old 09-05-2023, 11:41 AM
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Collected pop bottles and aluminum cans paid for many small models growing up. I lived down on the river and down the road from a bar that also sold liquor and a lot of people would party it up at the pullouts along the river and leave a tone of bottles and cans for us to clean up and take in for deposit.

To this day I hate the smell of stale beer and wine. I also learned how to deal with a beer can full of drunk Hornets.
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Old 09-05-2023, 01:07 PM
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I think I could deal with drunk hornets and wasps; but drunk Africanized bees, may be another matter. (Not a problem actually, hever heard of such in the 1960's.)

Glad to see that pop bottles, and aluminum cans (after my time) were a means to hobby items as well.

I had my share of sleek streeks and reusing wheels from crashed beyond repair Streeks for the 10 cents cheaper ($0.15) North Pacific (forgot the name) rubber powered without wheels. Plus also had my share of $0.05 and $0.10 gliders. Kept me busy after school.

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Looks like an ARF variant of the SIG Kadet.

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Yes, it is indeed a clone of the Sig Kadet Senior. Its everybit as good a flyer as the Kadet and built really well too. If I could change anything it would be to put a wider stance on the mains landing gear as it is narrower than the Kadet. Other than that, the two planes are identical.

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Default The Cessna 177 Cardinal

Another classic aircraft from yesteryear. This is an excellent scale of The Cessna 177 Cardinal from the stables of Thunder Tiger.
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Old 09-12-2023, 04:23 AM
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Brilliant!
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I will be picking up a World Models Super Frontier Senior tomorrow on my way back to France. See Post 11595. It's an ARTF clone of the SIG Kadet Senior and it was previously powered by an SC52 four stroke. I have a number of unemployed four strokes which I could fit ranging from an OS 48 Surpass to a Laser 75. The seller only wants 40 for it. (47€ or $50 US.) It will be ideal for training beginners.

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Originally Posted by David John Davis
I will be picking up a World Models Super Frontier Senior tomorrow on my way back to France. See Post 11595. It's an ARTF clone of the SIG Kadet Senior and it was previously powered by an SC52 four stroke. I have a number of unemployed four strokes which I could fit ranging from an SS 48 Surpass to a Laser 75. The seller only wants 40 for it. (47 or $50 US.) It will be ideal for training beginners.
40 is an absolute bargain for this plane. I have mine over ten years now and fly it with a 72 fourstroke. The Super Frontier Senior is just perfect for training beginners.
Old 09-14-2023, 04:34 AM
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Sounds like a great deal!

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