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Old 12-18-2015, 10:28 PM
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Does anyone else feel like a hostage?
Yes to the FPV drone pilots who are responsible for bringing this down upon us all.

Of course whats sad is that instead of holding those responsible accountable the right wing nut jobs are ready to play the the anti big government card. Unfortunately in this case their idiotic rhetoric won't fly because the government is only reacting to what the majority of Americans want. Be thankful it wasn't put up to a nation wide vote or FPV drones and possibly all forms of models aviation may have been banned outright. In other words it had the potential to be far worse.

First some history, The straw that broke the camel's back was first. A near miss between an FPV drone and a police helicopter, then a few months later it actually happened a drone striking a full sized Helicopter. This is what brought model aviation into the spotlight and spurred nationwide outrage towards model aviation.


If you have been flying and following this FPV sagga as long as I have been then you would know there have been hundreds of near misses with full sized commercial aircraft. According to a story in the NY Times over just the last few years alone the FAA and law enforcement nationwide have received a staggering 5 million plus complaints involving drones from parents, homeowners, commercial pilots as well business owners.

What did you think was going to happen in a post 911 America when these idiot drone pilots started buzzing national landmarks landmarks such as the statue of liberty or worse yet sky rises buildings and bridges. How about the complaints from parents who've had drones hover over the backyards recording their young children swimming in their pool and then to their horror learned that those videos were uploaded to youtube or even kidi porn sites.

Or how about all the complaints from homeowners about drones flying up to their widows and recording them in their own homes and then learning that those videos had been uploaded to youtube and porn sites as well. It's estimated that a large percentage of Voyeur videos on porn sites were recorded through peoples upstairs bedroom windows by drones


The writing was on the walls years ago. Us old timers knew better, For decades we did everything we could not to draw unnecessary negative attention to our hobby. We did this because we knew it was well within FAA authority to regulate model aviation, that is if we gave them an excuse to so, so we didn't. As such we diligently remain self policing to prevent this.


Unfortunately the dumbing down of the hobby has opened up the floodgates. No longer does building and flying require skill and resourcefulness, Nope now any right wing moron with a check book regardless of whether they've heard of bernoulli or not can terrorise their neighborhood with their SHTF RTF drone.

The end result is a new generation of "dumbed down Consumer" who are neither hobbyists nor modelers in the traditional sense. They have proven themselves to be selfish, self centered, inconsiderate and have demonstrated a complete lack of concern for the safety of others. The only thing we know for sure is that their only really interested in their own rights no one else's. The writing was on the wall and us old timers who have been flying for decades had warned them many times. But as can be expected we were called nothing but a bunch of liberal cry babies and that we needed to mind our own business.


The end result is people such as I who spent decades doing our best to fly under the radar to protect our hobby from unnecessary government regulation are now paying the price for the actions of a group or dumbed down consumers who thought their rights to fly their toys was more important than everyone else's right to privacy in their own home or the safety of millions of commercial airline passengers. As I said the writing was on the wall and people from my generation had predicted this outcome the moment we saw the first RTF drone.

The bottom line is don't blame the FCC, blame the inconsiderate FPV pilots who brought this down upon all of us .. Next time you see an FPV pilot doing something stupid I suggest you thank them accordingly.

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Originally Posted by helimaster View Post
Yes to the FPV drone pilots who are responsible for bringing this down upon us all. ......


...... The writing was on the walls years ago. Us old timers knew better, For decades we did everything we could not to draw unnecessary negative attention to our hobby. We did this because we knew it was well within FAA authority to regulate model aviation, that is if we gave them an excuse to so, so we didn't. As such we diligently remain self policing to prevent this.


Unfortunately the dumbing down of the hobby has opened up the floodgates. No longer does building and flying require skill and resourcefulness, Nope now any right wing moron with a check book regardless of whether they've heard of bernoulli or not can terrorise their neighborhood with their SHTF RTF drone.

The end result is a new generation of "dumbed down Consumer" who are neither hobbyists nor modelers in the traditional sense. They have proven themselves to be selfish, self centered, inconsiderate and have demonstrated a complete lack of concern for the safety of others. The only thing we know for sure is that their only really interested in their own rights no one else's. The writing was on the wall and us old timers who have been flying for decades had warned them many times. But as can be expected we were called nothing but a bunch of liberal cry babies and that we needed to mind our own business.


The end result is people such as I who spent decades doing our best to fly under the radar to protect our hobby from unnecessary government regulation are now paying the price for the actions of a group or dumbed down consumers who thought their rights to fly their toys was more important than everyone else's right to privacy in their own home or the safety of millions of commercial airline passengers. As I said the writing was on the wall and people from my generation had predicted this outcome the moment we saw the first RTF drone.

The bottom line is don't blame the FCC, blame the inconsiderate FPV pilots who brought this down upon all of us .. Next time you see an FPV pilot doing something stupid I suggest you thank them accordingly.
Thank you, extremely well put. I didn't quote your entire post, but thought that this portion really put it well for the modeler in all of us that has been suffering, despite our best efforts to educate and foster the values we as a community hold dearly, with this trend of as you so aptly put it "a new generation of "dumbed down Consumer" who are neither hobbyists nor modelers in the traditional sense."

Many if not all of us have been riding an emotional roller coaster over this for the past god knows how long and this week has really put it on top.

I for one, and I know many if not all of you my fellow modelers and hobbyists, hold model aviation in it's many forms in extremely high regard. Whether we will be required to register in some form or not, I will not change my participation or feelings about model aviation.

I will continue to put it forth in a positive light despite the naysayers. If any of us can properly educate and inform just ONE person and they are receptive and decide to enjoy and respect what we have worked so hard as have all of the current modelers do and before us have, I am confident that as a community we in the AMA and other model organizations around the world can keep and preserve Model Aviation for others to enjoy.
Old 12-19-2015, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by helimaster View Post
Yes to the FPV drone pilots who are responsible for bringing this down upon us all.

Of course whats sad is that instead of holding those responsible accountable the right wing nut jobs are ready to play the the anti big government card. Unfortunately in this case their idiotic rhetoric won't fly because the government is only reacting to what the majority of Americans want. Be thankful it wasn't put up to a nation wide vote or FPV drones and possibly all forms of models aviation may have been banned outright. In other words it had the potential to be far worse.

First some history, The straw that broke the camel's back was first. A near miss between an FPV drone and a police helicopter, then a few months later it actually happened a drone striking a full sized Helicopter. This is what brought model aviation into the spotlight and spurred nationwide outrage towards model aviation.


If you have been flying and following this FPV sagga as long as I have been then you would know there have been hundreds of near misses with full sized commercial aircraft. According to a story in the NY Times over just the last few years alone the FAA and law enforcement nationwide have received a staggering 5 million plus complaints involving drones from parents, homeowners, commercial pilots as well business owners.

What did you think was going to happen in a post 911 America when these idiot drone pilots started buzzing national landmarks landmarks such as the statue of liberty or worse yet sky rises buildings and bridges. How about the complaints from parents who've had drones hover over the backyards recording their young children swimming in their pool and then to their horror learned that those videos were uploaded to youtube or even kidi porn sites.

Or how about all the complaints from homeowners about drones flying up to their widows and recording them in their own homes and then learning that those videos had been uploaded to youtube and porn sites as well. It's estimated that a large percentage of Voyeur videos on porn sites were recorded through peoples upstairs bedroom windows by drones


The writing was on the walls years ago. Us old timers knew better, For decades we did everything we could not to draw unnecessary negative attention to our hobby. We did this because we knew it was well within FAA authority to regulate model aviation, that is if we gave them an excuse to so, so we didn't. As such we diligently remain self policing to prevent this.


Unfortunately the dumbing down of the hobby has opened up the floodgates. No longer does building and flying require skill and resourcefulness, Nope now any right wing moron with a check book regardless of whether they've heard of bernoulli or not can terrorise their neighborhood with their SHTF RTF drone.

The end result is a new generation of "dumbed down Consumer" who are neither hobbyists nor modelers in the traditional sense. They have proven themselves to be selfish, self centered, inconsiderate and have demonstrated a complete lack of concern for the safety of others. The only thing we know for sure is that their only really interested in their own rights no one else's. The writing was on the wall and us old timers who have been flying for decades had warned them many times. But as can be expected we were called nothing but a bunch of liberal cry babies and that we needed to mind our own business.


The end result is people such as I who spent decades doing our best to fly under the radar to protect our hobby from unnecessary government regulation are now paying the price for the actions of a group or dumbed down consumers who thought their rights to fly their toys was more important than everyone else's right to privacy in their own home or the safety of millions of commercial airline passengers. As I said the writing was on the wall and people from my generation had predicted this outcome the moment we saw the first RTF drone.

The bottom line is don't blame the FCC, blame the inconsiderate FPV pilots who brought this down upon all of us .. Next time you see an FPV pilot doing something stupid I suggest you thank them accordingly.
You bring up some good points and at least you see through the part about this being a conspiracy for bigger govt. Unfortunately you repeated a few unsupported urban legends about near misses and people peeping in houses with drones. The govt report on near misses was debunked (albeit by an AMA report which had an obvious bent). This whole huge govt involvement in our hobby didn't happen because of a few rouge pilot, it's unfair and illogical to lay that at their feet. Our safety was the impetus for this, pure and simple...and then some folks in congress of course. The commercial application of these things is what got big brother involved ie Amazon, Walmart, Google, and any other company that thought they were going to revolutionize a new customer distribution scheme. I think you meant to note the FAA as opposed to the FCC...but I agree 100% if you see a pilot (lets not stick with just FPV pilots as if they are the only one who can do something stupid) doing something dangerous, say something to them about it in a nice way. Greeting them with sarcasm and scorn may not exactly work out the way it was intended.
Old 12-19-2015, 05:44 AM
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Sign please !
https://www.change.org/p/federal-avi...fb_ref=Default
Old 12-19-2015, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RC_Fanatic View Post
So what about the planes my loving wife is going to give me for Christmas? They have to be registered before the first flight.
Not the PLANE QUAD DRONE Right now YOU need to register by 21 Jan to be legal.
Old 12-19-2015, 07:42 AM
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The reason the AMA says hold up on registering:

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/drone-register-list-faa/
Old 12-19-2015, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
The reason the AMA says hold up on registering:

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/drone-register-list-faa/
This list gives the impression that the regulations only affect multi-rotors. Unfortunately, it ain't so. This applies to all unmanned aircraft -- fixed wing, helicopters, multi-rotors... Read the full text of the FAA document. Don't rely on the media for "the whole truth."
Old 12-19-2015, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RC_Fanatic View Post
Don't rely on the media for "the whole truth."
There's truth in the media?!
Old 12-19-2015, 01:06 PM
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"Of course whats sad is that instead of holding those responsible accountable the right wing nut jobs are ready to play the the anti big government card. Unfortunately in this case their idiotic rhetoric won't fly because the government is only reacting to what the majority of Americans want."

So Mister old timer (me too by the way) any one seeing a huge, ineffective action by their government is a "right wing nut job". I suppose that's your take on things. Pity you are so mistaken.

Of course the Drone people were the initial cause for the focus by the FAA. I don't think anyone disputes that.
I guess we should also register ALL Laser pointers as well.. Especially the ones that are shown into the cockpits of Commercial airlines during landings and take offs.

Funny, I didn't see that mentioned any where?
Maybe that's next. Time will tell.

Old 12-19-2015, 02:29 PM
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As a licensed pilot I don't need issues with the FAA. So I may just go ahead and register if the site does not crash.
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Originally Posted by helimaster View Post
Yes to the FPV drone pilots who are responsible for bringing this down upon us all.

Of course whats sad is that instead of holding those responsible accountable the right wing nut jobs are ready to play the the anti big government card. Unfortunately in this case their idiotic rhetoric won't fly because the government is only reacting to what the majority of Americans want. Be thankful it wasn't put up to a nation wide vote or FPV drones and possibly all forms of models aviation may have been banned outright. In other words it had the potential to be far worse.

First some history, The straw that broke the camel's back was first. A near miss between an FPV drone and a police helicopter, then a few months later it actually happened a drone striking a full sized Helicopter. This is what brought model aviation into the spotlight and spurred nationwide outrage towards model aviation.


If you have been flying and following this FPV sagga as long as I have been then you would know there have been hundreds of near misses with full sized commercial aircraft. According to a story in the NY Times over just the last few years alone the FAA and law enforcement nationwide have received a staggering 5 million plus complaints involving drones from parents, homeowners, commercial pilots as well business owners.

What did you think was going to happen in a post 911 America when these idiot drone pilots started buzzing national landmarks landmarks such as the statue of liberty or worse yet sky rises buildings and bridges. How about the complaints from parents who've had drones hover over the backyards recording their young children swimming in their pool and then to their horror learned that those videos were uploaded to youtube or even kidi porn sites.

Or how about all the complaints from homeowners about drones flying up to their widows and recording them in their own homes and then learning that those videos had been uploaded to youtube and porn sites as well. It's estimated that a large percentage of Voyeur videos on porn sites were recorded through peoples upstairs bedroom windows by drones


The writing was on the walls years ago. Us old timers knew better, For decades we did everything we could not to draw unnecessary negative attention to our hobby. We did this because we knew it was well within FAA authority to regulate model aviation, that is if we gave them an excuse to so, so we didn't. As such we diligently remain self policing to prevent this.


Unfortunately the dumbing down of the hobby has opened up the floodgates. No longer does building and flying require skill and resourcefulness, Nope now any right wing moron with a check book regardless of whether they've heard of bernoulli or not can terrorise their neighborhood with their SHTF RTF drone.

The end result is a new generation of "dumbed down Consumer" who are neither hobbyists nor modelers in the traditional sense. They have proven themselves to be selfish, self centered, inconsiderate and have demonstrated a complete lack of concern for the safety of others. The only thing we know for sure is that their only really interested in their own rights no one else's. The writing was on the wall and us old timers who have been flying for decades had warned them many times. But as can be expected we were called nothing but a bunch of liberal cry babies and that we needed to mind our own business.


The end result is people such as I who spent decades doing our best to fly under the radar to protect our hobby from unnecessary government regulation are now paying the price for the actions of a group or dumbed down consumers who thought their rights to fly their toys was more important than everyone else's right to privacy in their own home or the safety of millions of commercial airline passengers. As I said the writing was on the wall and people from my generation had predicted this outcome the moment we saw the first RTF drone.

The bottom line is don't blame the FCC, blame the inconsiderate FPV pilots who brought this down upon all of us .. Next time you see an FPV pilot doing something stupid I suggest you thank them accordingly.
It isn't just the idiot drone folks who brought this on. I have posted a story some time ago about a couple of adults who were flying 40 size nitro airplanes off the parking lot at our water park. When approached, they saw no issue with the kids on bikes, pedestrians, folks in the water, houses across the street, and the fact that they were in the flight path to the local airport. You simply cannot cure stupid. And while I'm on my soap box, I recently left my usual hobby shop in disgust because I came out of a side aisle and was buzzed by a small drone being flown by a sales person. It was so close to my head I felt the breeze in my now more gray hair. Rather than make a scene, I paid for the few items I had picked up at that point and left. In retrospect I should have had a senior moment. This was just a few days after the child in England had his eyeball severed by a quad flown by an "experienced" pilot. The store manager and the store owner have both been sent letters explaining how stupid this act was. No respect for the safety of their patrons. No response from either recipient -- but then I don't expect one either. Fly often and fly responsibly. I will register.
Old 12-19-2015, 03:31 PM
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It is disingenuous to on one hand blame the AMA for being "useless" and on the other hand do nothing to help them sort out this mess by not waiting.

A delay only costs you the $5.00. Doing so may amount to nothing, but your only other real recourse is just to go ahead and register.
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I am just going to register now while they are offering to refund the money. I have zero faith in the AMA so what happens if we listen to them and don't register then they tell us in a few months that we do have to register but the 30 day grace period is over. This entire thing is just so silly. There is no way the AMA or FAA can enforce any of this. I will register just because it is free but I won't put the registration number on any of my planes. This rule will do absolutely nothing to fix the problem that is going on. The FAA just showed us all what a bunch of clowns they are.
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Anyone know what Law can put anyone in Prison for up to 3 years that does not comply?
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Originally Posted by Tony Gag Jr. View Post
I am just going to register now while they are offering to refund the money. I have zero faith in the AMA so what happens if we listen to them and don't register then they tell us in a few months that we do have to register but the 30 day grace period is over. This entire thing is just so silly. There is no way the AMA or FAA can enforce any of this. I will register just because it is free but I won't put the registration number on any of my planes. This rule will do absolutely nothing to fix the problem that is going on. The FAA just showed us all what a bunch of clowns they are.
The FAA may be clowns but they are the "CLOWNS in CHARGE" with the power to slap ya with a big big fine and a stint in the POKY. If The FAA offered a $1000 reward for turning in Registration Violators, I'll bet Registration would work quite well. What ya think 180K AMA Registration cops. Ya think, Maybe For a grand, Your best buddy would turn ya in.
The chances of being made an example of vlying with out Registration in your R/C TOY may be low but U can be certain the FAA will be out to make a few examples. A Quarter Million and a jail term isn't worth not complying. Do U drive with expired plates, No Insurance, Wrong way on a free way or one way street. Same with Flying R/C TOYs in the NAS from now on.
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Anyone know what Law can put anyone in Prison for up to 3 years that does not comply?
Ask the FAA/DOT/NTSB/ any Fed Alphabet soup group. Even if U win You'll end up flat broke.
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Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
Ask the FAA/DOT/NTSB/ any Fed Alphabet soup group. Even if U win You'll end up flat broke.
And let's not forget it's not the act of not complying that could land you in the pokey...it's not registering AND getting caught.

If ya don't do nuthin wrong...you won't get "caught".
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And let's not forget it's not the act of not complying that could land you in the pokey...it's not registering AND getting caught.

If ya don't do nuthin wrong...you won't get "caught".
But flying with out registration in the R/C TOY is doing something wrong.
Hope U don't have any enemies where U fly.
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Hell just put some number in your plane. find a number that's registered and copy and modify it. lol!
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But flying with out registration in the R/C TOY is doing something wrong.
Hope U don't have any enemies where U fly.
Not if it's under .5 pounds HD....c'mon man, get with the plane. As for registering well, I'm going to give the AMA a little while to figure out their next move. Stay tuned, I bet it gets people talking!
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Hell just put some number in your plane. find a number that's registered and copy and modify it. lol!
How many planes will have this number after Feb 16....8675309

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what about senior members who have no access to computers or are not tech savvy? will they be able to do this by mail or phone? we already have some in the panic mode over this.
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what about senior members who have no access to computers or are not tech savvy? will they be able to do this by mail or phone? we already have some in the panic mode over this.
My guess is that some seniors may not yet be aware that there is a problem. There are several in my club without computers.
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what about senior members who have no access to computers or are not tech savvy? will they be able to do this by mail or phone? we already have some in the panic mode over this.
They can call the FAA directly for further direction. I believe I read in the rule where they would allow for a mail in registration form but not 100%, I'll look for it.
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Not if it's under .5 pounds HD....c'mon man, get with the plane. As for registering well, I'm going to give the AMA a little while to figure out their next move. Stay tuned, I bet it gets people talking!
Come on Porcia. The wheels on most of te gassers weigh that much. But seriously what's the big deal about adding a Federal R/V Pilot Registration Number right along side your AMA Info. Every one does have their AMA info in their Plane Correct?
Wonder if I linked a dozen or so of those little bitty Drones together Like U see in the Vids of a dozen doing formation flying.
Wonder if some sort of Infrared or Laser system could be placed on larger planes so the wingmen follow the Leader plane, Up close and Personal like the Blue Angles or Thunderbirds?

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