loopdeeloop

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If you are a member of a club, then it is the clubs "duty" to inform it's members about the requirement. That's the job of the club officers (or whomever is in charge).

porcia83

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Awesome!

porcia83

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You are more able to cut through all the noise and distill down some of the core issues....but that is lost on many here. Just look below your post as a prime example, among others. It's the AMA's fault, it's the FAA fault. They both are making a huge grab for money (you know, the non profit AMA), and the FAA (who doesn't "profit" from 5.00 regs that scale pilots have been paying for years), so there's that. And now I see we are an organization that has no respect, sure, add that onto the list. Not to be undone we now see a comment about a budget of "dozens to hundreds of millions of dollars", whatever that means. Of course they have to have a budget, new programs just don't spring up and run themselves free of charge. But then again, this is from the FAA who has first criminalized the hobby, and now wants to be judge and jury and smother us with a wet towel and do away the hobby I guess. It just may be that they want to keep the skies we all fly in with both scale and model aircraft safe. But that's just my thoughts.

d_bodary

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We're you able to register today?

combatpigg

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It is my hope that the AMA can at least negotiate to have our FAA registration handled automatically through them. That is my guess as to why they want us to hold off registering until the current deadline.
I don't see what harm [at this point] will be done if I go along with that.
[Maybe I should read ALL of the replies to this thread FIRST in order to form a better opinion..?]

poison

So us real RC flyers not drones can reg in February right? Or do we now? And do you have to have a sticker for each aircraft?

franklin_m

I just registered. I have to say it was the most unduly burdensome four minute 20 odd seconds of my life; I understand now why AMA is fighting it so much, it was very traumatizing.

StevL

I have a question...???

From the FAA site:
Why do I need to register?
A. Federal law requires aircraft registration. Registration helps us ensure safety – for you, others on the ground, and manned aircraft. UAS pose new security and privacy challenges and must be traceable in the event of an incident. It will also help enable the return of your UAS should it be lost.

Can someone point me to this "law"??

Thx,
Steve

init4fun

Hi Steve ,

The specific act that Congress passed way back in aviation's early days , the act that established the FAA , gave the FAA the authority to keep account of all aircraft that fly in the USA . Now of course , we (model aircraft hobbyists) didn't exist in those days in any kinds of meaningful or troublesome numbers and so weren't considered or mentioned in any of these laws . All the FAA had to do was to declare that we are flying aircraft , granted unmanned aircraft but aircraft nonetheless , to force us into the pre existing requirement that they keep track of ALL aircraft . I guess the only real contestable point is whether hobby grade model aircraft are "real" aircraft and subject to FAA control . Some seem to be of the notion that the FAA can only control manned aircraft , but they are taking the term aircraft to mean anything man made that flies and weighs over 1/2 pound , manned or not . If you closely examine special rule #336 it prevents any NEW ruling affecting hobby use model aircraft , but by declaring us aircraft in the first place the FAA claims we automatically fall under the aircraft registration mandate in force since the FAA's inception .

thebest_102

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[h=3]Birth of Federal Aviation Agency[/h]On May 21, 1958, Senator A. S. "Mike" Monroney (D-OK) introduced a bill to create an independent Federal Aviation Agency to provide for the safe and efficient use of national airspace. Two months later, on August 23, 1958, the President signed the Federal Aviation Act, which transferred the Civil Aeronautics Authority's functions to a new independent Federal Aviation Agency responsible for civil aviation safety. Although the Federal Aviation Agency technically came into existence with the passage of the act, it actually assumed its functions in stages. Under the provisions of the act, the Federal Aviation Agency would begin operations 60 days after the appointment of the first Federal Aviation Agency Administrator. On November 1, 1958, retired Air Force General Elwood "Pete" Quesada became the first Federal Aviation Agency Administrator. Sixty days later, on December 31, the Federal Aviation Agency began operations

StevL

Thx for the clarification, now I see why I couldn't find a relatively current "law".

Steve

RC_Fanatic

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Where? I went to the site http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/ but nothing happens when I click on the registration button(s). What was so burdensome?

RCKen

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Try this link

https://registermyuas.faa.gov/

Ken

Sport_Pilot

That law only gave them authority to protect and regulate navigable airspace. That is the airspace below the minimum altitude rules.

Sport_Pilot

Wait till the AMA say's its OK.

TomCrump

Why ?

init4fun

I believe our friend Franklin was joking , in light of all the unhappiness that this FAA action has caused . Not gonna speak for the guy , but that's my take on the meaning behind his post .

Yes , most of us , myself included , see this as more govt. waste and intrusion , but I for one am NOT going to be selling any planes because of it .

init4fun

They say "ToMAto" and we say "ToMAHto" , and it'll take the courts till the end of our lives to figure out the difference .

Meanwhile , I'll be doing whatever it takes to legally fly my planes and not end up being made an example of .

franklin_m

More sarcasm than anything. Not sure why AMA is fighting this so hard unless it's to try and get something, no matter how inconsequential, that they can point to as a victory in all this.

Of note, format of FAA number is completely different than AMA number, so I'm not holding my breath that AMA's effort to make their numbers valid for registration.

RC_Fanatic

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Maybe the FAA has already given up. I get a blank screen when I click on "Register my Drone."

mike1974

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So let me get this straight. You would be ok with somebody getting convicted and fined for flying in a safe manner on an AMA field just because they did not register? And you are ok with offering a 1000.00 reward to get fellow AMA members to narc out registration offenders? The same registration that will do absolutely zero to solve the problem of stupid people doing stupid things? Wow! That is twisted.

Just an FYI, i'm not registering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RCKen

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I was simply supply the address to the registration page.

However, as I have stated in my earlier post in this thread, I have my reservations about following the AMA's advice. The AMA has been involved with this process involving the FAA from the very begging, what are they going to accomplish in the next 30-60 days that they have not been able to accomplish in the last 2 years?? And as Franklin_M has stated in posts in many threads last week, I think that the AMA is putting themselves at a huge risk of putting themselves out of the game by playing this hand. The FAA could very well tell them that they are going to refuse to deal with them completely because of this action that the AMA has taken by asking it's membership to wait. It's my opinion that the AMA has taken a very VERY reckless action that could damage them as an organization in this entire process and that if they FAA takes action to not deal with the AMA then we will no longer have any representation in this matter at all. The AMA is supposed to do what WE tell them to do, NOT us doing what they tell us to do. I'm not a mindless lemming that is going to blindly follow off a cliff simply because Bob Brown and his band of croonies wants a few more days to try and look like some kind of hero. If and when the AMA can make some kind of headway with the FAA then I will be the first one to step up and say that I was wrong, however I seriously doubt that is going to happen as the FAA is not going to back down to the AMA. The AMA is only doing this action so that they "appear" like their are trying to do something to "save the day", in my opinion. As I have already said, they have had their chance as they have been in all the meetings with the FAA from the beginning going back for the last 2 or so years and yet we are still here with the regulations that we have.

Ok, I'll get off my soapbox again.

Ken

VF84sluggo

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+1

I'm not waiting around. Hell, I'm in so many federal government databases as it is - military, FAA airplane registrations, medical, pilot certificates, TSA, etc. etc - that this is just a match on a bonfire as far as "big brother" crap goes. Plus, I don't need some overzealous Barney Fife government douche bag out to make a name for himself showing up and making things even more of a hassle.

RCKen

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I agree with you as well. I have held a TS/BI clearance when I was in the Army as well as several background checks that I had to have because of government contracts I have done in my personal business I'm really not too worried about having one more registration. However, the one thing that did bother me was putting my every day use credit card on a government website. Working IT for a living I know the level a security those sited hold and I really didn't want my credit card floating out there, so when registration time came I used a pre-paid Visa card for my registration.

So yes, I have already registered. It took all of about 3 minutes this morning to do. And as far as the FAA's claims about having the charge my credit card to "verify the user", well that went down the toilet, because as I said I used a pre-paid Visa for that. So there is no authenticating me there!!! But at least my credit card number isn't sitting on a government website.

Ken

init4fun

Hi Franklin ,

Yes , I do believe the AMA is attempting to "save face" here , but that the battle is already pretty much lost . It is my belief that by getting the "inhofe exemption" and then allowing drones into the fold , that the AMA sought to position itself as the only CBO and in charge of anything that flies that's not manned and not commercial , and that the FAA wasn't about to hand over that kind of control to anyone but itself . Yes indeed , #336 may keep the FAA from enacting any new model airplane regulation but based on previous regulation if we are indeed "aircraft" then they are technically right , we are subject to the decades old registration requirement for all aircraft . The only possible "out" that I see would be in getting the court to declare us not aircraft , and I honestly believe SO little that will happen that I registered a few hours ago myself , in an attempt to beat the rush and get it done before the inevitable site crash that will likely happen sometime this afternoon .

And also , Yes , my AMA number is only 5 digits , numbers only whereas my new FAA number is ten , reading "FA" and then eight other random letters and numbers .


PS , I really want to Thank You for being one of the reasonable voices out here ! There have been a few who have saw fit to post some kinda nasty stuff directed at me cause I'm not taking up pitchforks and torches against the FAA , who I see as being in a difficult position here between the demand for safety and accountability , and our right to enjoy out toys without undue interference . In other words , I don't think that to the FAA this is as personal as some folks out here have tried to make it out to be .

To the folks who've posted their barbs at me ; Hey , this whole registration thing , Do I like it ? Hell no ! Do I understand where it's coming from ? Sadly , yes , Am I willing to go to jail or pay a huge fine to prove my displeasure with all this ? HELL NO ! Going forward , I'll watch the AMA's case play out in court , but if the only defense they (we) have got is that these AREN'T aircraft , well then ya'll best get to registering , cause of course they are air traveling man made craft , how can we possibly deny this ?