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Death of a Model Plane aka Patty Wagstaff

Old 05-07-2007, 06:39 PM
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Rebuild update.Plane is finished.Just need to recheck the CG.Before I "dorked it in",it flew great with no smoke oil in the tank.
After I filled the smoke tank it was tail heavy.I had to burn off most of the smoke oil before I could even try to land.Once I could tell it was not as tail heavy is when I turned the smoke off,I thought.Nope flipped the choke switch then "dorked it in".
So I installed the stock tank in its forward position(had a Dubro on the wing tube) and I also moved my 2 battery packs forward.This should counterbalance the smoke tank when filled.I can deal with a plane that is nose heavy better than a tail heavy one.
Once I check the CG I will know more and go from there.Here are a few pics.

Thanks for all the compliments.
Roy
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:53 PM
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Roy,

That is awesome. Let me know when you test fly and I'll video it for you. I wish I had rebuilt my darn Wildhare when I crashed it after looking at your rebuild. DUHHHHHH!

Craig
Old 05-07-2007, 07:31 PM
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Test flight will be sometime this week.I am on vacation this week,I have a field trip tomorrow at 9:00 with my
daughter,then I will be taking my mom's lawnmower back to her after the field trip,repaired it today.1.5 hour trip one way.
Wednesday I have a field trip with my son at 10:00,then I will be trying to clean out my storage shed.If this wind does not die down
soon,probably will be the weekend if it does not rain.I will give you a call when I do fly it.PM me your phone ##.

Thanks Roy
Old 05-07-2007, 09:01 PM
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Looks good.

Do you have space to put the smoke tank on the CG?
Old 05-07-2007, 09:33 PM
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Looks good.

Do you have space to put the smoke tank on the CG?
UUUHHH why didn't I think of that.
not really.with stock tank in,there is some room but not enough to put the smoke
tank.
Old 05-18-2007, 06:20 AM
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Hate that he lost the plane, but awesome shots!

Lee
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:10 AM
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Hate that he lost the plane, but awesome shots!

Lee
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Did you see the rebuild pics?I just lost time flying it during the rebuild process.
Plane is now rebuilt and waiting on remaided flight.
So it was not lost,just down for repairs.
Old 05-19-2007, 03:01 AM
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Excellent pictures of both crash & rebuild , I wish I had some of the talent & patience ive seen here
Old 05-21-2007, 01:59 AM
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Been my experience that after there rebuilt they always fly better for some reason
Pat
Old 06-16-2007, 06:11 PM
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Remaiden the Patty today.Went through all range checks and checked CG.Range checked good from about 50 paces from plane.
Went a few more paces and plane started glitching,then a few more paces and glitching quit.
Thought was ok. Flew plane.Trimmed with about 4-5 clicks up elevator(nose heavy)and 4-5 clicks right aileron.
Was coming by to make a fly by and elevators glitched twice on my downline.Backed off engine to do a go around and land.
Started my bank to the left to go around and ailerons glitched hard to the right.got it recovered and finished my
go around to land.Had to come in a little hot,my idle trim was too high,so I flipped the throttle cut,off and on,to slow the engine.
Got it to touchdown,but still too fast,flipped the throttle cut,but would not shut engine down.Went to turn to slow it down before I
run out of runway.Plane nosed over onto the prop and shut off engine.No damage except for my nerves.
JasonInAugusta took some pics.Hopefully he got some good pics.

thanks Roy
Old 06-16-2007, 06:33 PM
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'Tbolt... you again did a great job of salvaging your airplane. You're either a great pilot or a heck of a good storyteller.... Just kidding. I took your side earlier.
Anyway are you flying PCM? The reason I asked is because you said you did range check your radio. I used to do it the same way as you. If you are flying PCM check this out...
http://www.jrradios.com/Articles/Art...ArticleID=1079
Granted it's JR and I'm taking for granted your system. My range checks always came out OK and never had a problem (JR XP9303 tx 2100rx). After I found this I tried it. Got almost 300 feet with the engine off, then only 90 with engine on. Reworked some interior routing and the antenna, and got the engine off up to 340 and engine on to 290. Article goes into detail. Let us know what you found out!
Old 06-16-2007, 08:23 PM
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I just was lucky it did not glitch as much as it did. Radio is a Futaba 9CAP.Receiver is a R149DF.
S3004 on throttle and choke.6 Futaba S3050 servos,2 on aileron,2 on rudder and 2 on split elevator.
2 JR 6.0V 1500 NiCD packs with HD switches.All extensions are HD.This is a new receiver.Installed it after rebuild.Receiver in plane when crashed still works.I will reinstall and do a ground range check with it.I may have to convert my Zenoah to
electronic ignition.It still has the magneto ignition on it that could be the problem.

Roy
Old 06-16-2007, 08:26 PM
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Here's a shot of Patty lifting off...sorting through the rest.

Old 06-16-2007, 08:30 PM
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Rest of the shots are junk. I changed lenses and had trash on the lens.

Here's one prior to the remaiden...

Old 06-16-2007, 10:06 PM
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ORIGINAL: JasonInAugusta

Rest of the shots are junk. I changed lenses and had trash on the lens.

Here's one prior to the remaiden...

Alright Jason, You know you are letting us down. We expect nothing less than professional quality from you after what we have already seen.
Old 06-17-2007, 12:57 AM
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One of those days, I guess.

Between SEFF, Top Gun, and Digger's Dungeon, and the endless dust storms at each event, I'm still trying to get everything clean. Been a nightmare.

Regardless, it was a good day of flying.
Old 06-17-2007, 12:42 PM
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One of those days, I guess.

Between SEFF, Top Gun, and Digger's Dungeon, and the endless dust storms at each event, I'm still trying to get everything clean. Been a nightmare.

Regardless, it was a good day of flying.
Yep,good day at the field.Few minor things to repair and work on.

1-figure out why Patty is glitching.
2-fix covering on Ultra Stick 60 stab.
3-tune Ultra stick 40 engine so it will run at 1/2 throttle.
4-repair flatout Hellcat after mid-air with Jason's flatout Zero.( we were flying "full contact combat")

Old 06-17-2007, 12:50 PM
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4-repair flatout Hellcat after mid-air with Jason's flatout Zero.( we were flying "full contact combat" )

Funny, two mid-airs with those Flat-Outs and the Zero came out unscathed.
Old 09-30-2007, 10:16 PM
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Finally found time to do some work on the Extra 300 to figure out what is causing my radio glitches.
First problem I found was the engine had an Autolite spark plug in it that was not a resistor plug.
Replaced it with a Champion resistor plug.I also installed a Bosch shielded resistor spark plug cover.
Performed range checks with engine not running and running.No glitches at all with engine off at 300+ feet.
Got 250+ feet with engine running before getting any glitching.So it was time to fly it again.Plane flew great without
any glitches at all.I just need to get more stick time on this plane.I mostly fly 40-60 size planes.This is my
first gas/big plane and I am still getting used to the weight and size difference,so I have a tendency to bring it in a
little hot on my landing approaches as you will se in my video.Not the best video of flying,but I am very nervous on this
remaiden.I just flew a few basic manuevers and trimmed it out.Thanks Roy

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SEvjqLwVQSY
Old 09-30-2007, 10:29 PM
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Heyy Roy,

Nice 'touch & goes' . <LOL>

Now you can remove the brown marks..

You did fine.. I know how it is on a re-maiden...
Sometimes more nervous that a first one... *whew*
Old 10-01-2007, 06:07 AM
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Glad to see you back in the air with her T-bolt. I've been with you since the beginning here, and she looks as good as new. Fine job.
Old 05-26-2008, 07:22 AM
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I have flown my GP Extra 300 some.G45 flew ok,but decided I need to lighten it up some so I don't have to land it so hot.I have replaced the G45 with a DL50.I have removed the smoke system(tank,pump,battery & fuel lines).I removed the pilot and interior cockpit.I weighed all of the items and removed almost 3 lbs plus the difference of weight between the engines.In total I removed
almost 4 1/2 lbs from the plane.I am in the process of breaking in the DL50 now.I have ran the engine at 2500 rpm for 2 hrs on the
ground per the DLUSA website.Now I need to retune and fly the plane.I have also acquired a Hanger 9 Extra 260.I have installed a
FTL45 engine.I have ran this engine on my test stand and it runs good.I am in the process of installing the radio equipment in the plane now.
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Old 02-01-2022, 05:16 PM
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Default Smoke system

Hello I have a Patty Wagstaff I got from a fellow flyer. It has DLE 55 in it and flies nice. Was looking to add smoke system to it. I have a Sullivan skywriter pump and 12oz tank and smoke muffler already. Does anyone have any pics of there layout. Or have any tips where they mounted the smoke tank to help keep CG in check. Thanks for any help you can provide.

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