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Old 07-23-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default RE: Midwest Sweet Stick Revival (a work in progress)

Just a small weekend update..

I managed to start covering the hatch this weekend..

I know that sounds like a tiny amount of work for an entire weekend but I'm trying out a different covering process than I'm used to so I'm taking it slow.

I'm using polyester dress lining for covering brushed on with Minwax Polycrylic clear finish.
The polycrylic is great because it has NO ODORS.. I did the covering sitting at the kitchen counter.

The first step is spraying the part with hairspray.. I'll admit at first I was under the false impression that hairspray would act like balsarite and let me iron on the fabric.
This does not work.. what it does do is seal the wood so it won't absorb as much of the polyc used to apply the fabric.

It does a good job of that so I'll keep using it. It's only $2 anyway..


So after the hairspray has dried I started in with the fabric and polyc.

I worked it like I would a plastic covering by brushing it on to the bottom on one side, wrapping it over the top and brushing it onto the bottom on the other side.

This didn't go well.. any attempt to keep the fabric tight simply pulled it off the other side.. I had so slow and and let the poly dry before trying to pull on the fabric.

What I ended up doing was using a bunch of T pins to hold the edges of the fabric while the polyc dried.
That worked out really well. The holes from the pinning have already been filled in after a few coats of polyc..

I used the same method to wrap the ends and corners under.

After the edges had dried I came in with a covering iron on medium heat and shrunk out any wrinkles. The polyester shrinks nicely but if the iron is to hot it'll start melting the poly...
After working out some creases where I'd wrapped the fabric over the corners and a few other wrinkles it was time to start filling in the fabric with poly.

I have about 2 full coats on the part now and it looks great..

Now fo a little warning.. Polycrylic will not stand up to fuel.. I can wipe it right off with straight 15% nitro.
This won't be a big deal because it's only being used to hold and fill the fabric.. The color coat will be OD green flat latex.
The fuel proofing will be a few coats of spray on satin Polyurethane. I'll do that outside because that stuff stinks!

I know the polyurethane will hold up to fuel.. I finished my flight box with it and it's always getting something on it.



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I'm moving along slowly on the covering.. It's like watching paint dry.. Oh wait I am watching paint dry..
I should be able to finish the tail tomorrow and the rest of the fuse the next day.. Maybe start on the wing while I wait for things to dry.

I don't want to get to many things going and make a mistake.


I've tried a few things that appear to work so far.. please tell me if I'm making a mistake.

I've used a light dusting of 3M Super 77 spray on the fabric to hold the fabric on difficult curves or shapes while the poly dries.
Just enough to get it tacky and stay put.

The 2nd thing I found is kinda cool.

I've had a hard time keeping the fabric wraped around hard corners or tight curves while the poly dries..

When I was shrinking out a bubble with the covering iron I noticed I could iron back down a corner that had lifted while it dried...
As long as the fabric has some poly brushed into it (and it's dry) you can iron it back down.

I'm not saying go iron on the whole thing but it's great for nailing down stubborn curves and corners that won't stay down when it's brushed on.

I'd post pictures but you can't tell anything is done.. The fabric is almost clear after the polyC dries. It'll get more interesting when I start covering open framework.
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The covering is done!!! Then the 2nd coat of polyC is dry I'll start the primer coat.

One more tip.. you can burn a hole in the dress liner with a heat gun so don't get to crazy with it. I dosen't take much to shrink anyway.. I was trying to get a section that stuck down to lift and burned a hole..

Patching was easy.. cut a piece and brush it on..

New pics tonight.
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Default RE: Midwest Sweet Stick Revival (a work in progress)

Here are the pics of the progress so far.
The 2nd coat is dry.. I've tried some kilz latex primer on the hatch cover..
We'll see how well it sands out afer a day or two drying time.
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:17 PM
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Default RE: Midwest Sweet Stick Revival (a work in progress)

Progress status.. SLOW.. I hate latex primer!!!!
The stuff won't dry.. If I try to sand it it just balls up and clogs the paper.

I know I need to let it dry for a week or two.. grrrr

I'm starting to re-think latex for the color coat.

I'd like to had it flying before the end of the month..
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While I'm waiting for paint to dry I've been working on drawing decals.
I didn't make the tiger but I did make the rest based on photos I found.

The plane will be OD or forest green with invasion stripes & stars n bars on top of the wings and the rear of the fuselage.

the bottom of the wings will get the BW stars n bars and may be painted tan..

If you can't tell I'm going with a 14th AF Flying Tigers theme.

I know the 14th Air force would never have invasion stripes but I'm just having fun with it.
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Default RE: Midwest Sweet Stick Revival (a work in progress)

Ahh the secret of sanding latex!
Wet sanding with Windex.. Almost by accident I started sanding with a wet sanding block..
The Windex was handy and that worked even better than the water..

I managed to sand out the whole wing with just one piece of paper.
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Default RE: Midwest Sweet Stick Revival (a work in progress)

I'm getting really close to finishing the paint work..

The fuse is done except for the black stripes and the wing needs white and black paint yet.
then it's time for clear and final assembly.

It's looking cool.
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Default RE: Midwest Sweet Stick Revival (a work in progress)

Looks like a really cool project. Hurry up and get some pics up of the new scheme. I think it is great to see old planes come back to life.
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Default RE: Midwest Sweet Stick Revival (a work in progress)

I finished the Invasion stripes and touched up a few spots where the tape lifted the paint.
It didn't take long to learn to pull the tape off slowly..

I had Alex show it off for us.. He has this funny idea than when I'm done he'll get my Cloud Dancer.. Yeah right!


The markings are printed on standard 24lb paper on a Color laser printer.
I did a test coating a piece with Polyurathane. The white stayed white, not translucent so It should be fine when I clear coat it.

I'll give them all a light seal coat before really going to town with the clear.

I may still add a tail insignia but I'm not sure what.

Not to bad looking for a 22 year old plane.

The finish is Dress liner applied with Minwax PolyCrylic.
2 coats of Kilz latex primer, wet sanded
Best application method was thinning about 25% with water and shooting with the airbrush wide open..

I was going to do latex for color but I needed 3 coloras at $10 a quart.. lots of leftovers

I ended up finding Rustolium Flat Forrest Green in a rattle can for $4. I used 2 cans
1 can 99 cent el cheepo black and a 1/2 pint rustolium Flat white that I thinned 50% with acetone and shot using the airbrush again.

Maybe I'll get to use my HLVP minigun for the clear coat. We'll see how it shoots on some test boards.

I'm still trying to pick what clear to use.. I want a satin or semi gloss finish..

I found Behr Water Based Polyurathane at Home Depot but only in flat.

I can get Verathane Diamond Water Based Spar Urathane in Satin or Semi at the same store.

Or do I just go with an oil based Polyurathane and deal with the yellowing?

Or Duplicolor Clear Engine paint?? Gloss or semi? Who knows.. The can isn't telling.
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Old 08-12-2007, 01:56 AM
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OK I went with the Valspar Water Based Spar Urethane.

Nice stuff to work with..

I've put 2 coats on everything.. It's ready to start assembling again..

The last thing to paint was the tank compartment and the dowels for the rubber bands.

I hit them with a coat of black butyrate dope.. Man that stuff stinks more than I remembered!!
I wanted a little extra protection in places where a raw fuel spill may go unnoticed for a bit.

I can't believe that after all this work I didn't bother to convert it to a bolt on wing.

Anyway. The WBPU needs a week to dry.. It's remaiden flight should be next Saturday.

I guess I have till then to find the battery charger for the Camera.
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I glued all the hinges up on Monday..
I found a few little parts that I forgot to paint like the landing gear retaining plates.. I got those done..
The Radio Install was done last night.. I still can't figure out where to run the antenna.

I threw it on the scale.. It looks like it'll be 5lbs 3 oz with an empty tank.
Not to bad for a 20 year old plane covered with dress liner and paint.

I forgot to mention just how tough this fabric is.. You have to really want to put a hole in it even with a sharp #11
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Finished!! We did the maiden flight Saturday..
Wish I had video or even in flight pics but my camera girl was occupied with the kids..

I setup the TX for dual rates.. 50% throw with 30% expo and 100% with 50% expo..

The first flight was great for the first minute.. She took off nice and clean needing only a few clicks down elevator.
The controls were really soft with half throw and expo so I was taking it easy..

So I made a few circuits around the field and went for a high speed pass down the runway.

I brought it in low at full throttle.. The .45 FSR really pulls this thing along great.. right when I get up to speed the front hatch blows off.. DOH!.. No big deal it's still flying great..

I decided to bring it in for a landing early and go find the hatch.. it's a little fast but lands great..

15 minutes of searching the tall grass finally turns up the missing hatch.. A little green hatch in tall grass isn't easy to find..

After throwing a rubber band around the nose to hold the hatch we took it up again.. This time I got to have some fun with it..
I did reset the TX for 75% throws and 25% expo.. much smoother..

The thing rolls like crazy right on it's axis.. no differential necessary snaps, rolls, stalls and spins are all loads of fun..
Inverted takes just a touch of elevator to hold.. there is a little roll coupling if you try to push through an inverted loop.

It will knife edge but there is a ton of roll coupling. It took a lot of aileron to keep it from rolling out.

The stalls are still a bit soft.. I think the CG needs to be moved back.. it's at 3.5" from the LE now.. I'll try 3.75 and 4" All I have to do is move the battery.

The 2nd landing I bounced a little and broke my only prop.. The landing gear is a little short..
The was it for the day..

The Water based polyurethane finish held up to 15% fuel with no problems..

Over all I'd say it blows my Cloud Dancer away.. It's a blast to fly..

I do have a few issues to fix.. The hatch.. CG and it needs taller landing gear..
The Laser printer decals held up OK but the white on the teeth near the muffler looks like it got a little oil under it.
I wonder if the heat melted the super 77 spray..

If I were to do the decals again I wouldn't use the Super 77 spray.. it sucks.. larger decals got a wrinkled when the clear was brushed on but flattened out when the poly dried..
I'd used Elmers white school glue on some of the smaller pieces. It worked much better and didn't show any wrinkling.
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Very, very nice...

I've been following your thread with great interest. I have a Ugly Stick short kit waiting to be built.

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Thanks.. I wish I could change the Subject from "A work in Progress" to Finished!

If anyone is interested I could try and scan the drawings for the Rudder and Ailerons..
I never made one for the Elevator but I could draw something up.
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Your Stick turned out very Cool. I have a little stick I did close to yours way back when, only I did the checkerboard on the nose, it had bombay doors and bomb drops on the wing, and I put a 40 on it. A hot rod! Here are a couple of pix of my latest 40 sized sweet stick.
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Last update..

The Water based Spar Urethane clear is holding up fine..
The paper decals are a limited success..
Don't get near them with an iron.. the toner melts.. DUH..
Don't use 3M Super 77 to apply the decals.. plain white Elmers worked best.
They don't like being near the exhaust.. The one on the muffler side is getting some oil soaked under it and may need to be replaced..
This could be an issue with the Super 77 spray I used to apply it.. We'll see if it holds up better with a different adhesive.

The tail wheel setup is working great.. a hard bump will just knock it out of position rather than damaging the rudder but otherwise it stays in place.
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1 year later..

Paint is holding up fine.. still looks great..
I'd recommend a few extra coats of poly on areas that get direct exhaust blast..

The paper printed decals are doing OK but one is tearing and the teeth are starting to fuel soak..
maybe a few more coats of poly would have helped..
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I dig it! Nice job!
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The stick has been removed from active duty following a slight altercation with the ground today.

I was doing a demo flight for the city park officials. All was going well.. I'd done one low pass and mid way through a 2nd lower pass the grass leaped up and snatched my plane from the sky.. There was a great thrashing of dirt and grass as my plane valiantly fought back but the sod won the day.

Damage was surprisingly little for a full throttle grounding..

My trusty OS FSR .45 was ripped clean off the plane shearing the motor mount in half....Amazingly the other half is still securely bolted to a firewall that still solid on the fuselage.
The carb was snapped of the crank case and found about 20 feet from the plane near where both wheels had stopped to rest from fleeing the crash scene. both sides of the landing gear are bent back about 15° but the mounting block is still solid in the fuse. The wheels were pulled right off the gear.. who knows where the collars went. Grass beast probably ate them. The only real damage to the plane (other than a nick on the covering where the motor must have hit the firewall) is a broken elevator.. It snapped 2 hinges and sheared the elevator in half at the control horn.

otherwise.. No Damage..

Pics when I get around to bringing it in from the car.

Should be easy to fix but I'll need a new carb and muffler. I better check for a bent crank before i order any engine parts.
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bad enough this happened but with park officials in attendence.what was their reaction?
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Well I kept my mouth in check.. I just turned around said "opps!" and laughed it off.. They laughed along with me..

Our site lease at the ORV park is up for renewal this year.. They were out to see how the club was maintaining the site.
I was out past the runway and following the rules. Overall the site visit went well but not "as planed"
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Ahh..a kitbash thread..I'm posting here even though it looks like an old thread..2007..whew! I also changed around a midwest big stick wit mods to make it look eindeckerish..is that even a word?! Changed arf kit into taildragger..made cowling pieces that slide on front of airplane..machine gun etc..complete with pilot who turns head with rudder input..I took many pictures along the way if anyone is interested..fun to go to field and fly without mods and then sneak back to the trailor and slip them on! People think its a different plane! Powered by os 60 supretigre ..oh yeah..flapperons too!
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Originally Posted by thebighawg
Ahh..a kitbash thread..I'm posting here even though it looks like an old thread..2007..whew! I also changed around a midwest big stick wit mods to make it look eindeckerish..is that even a word?! Changed arf kit into taildragger..made cowling pieces that slide on front of airplane..machine gun etc..complete with pilot who turns head with rudder input..I took many pictures along the way if anyone is interested..fun to go to field and fly without mods and then sneak back to the trailor and slip them on! People think its a different plane! Powered by os 60 supretigre ..oh yeah..flapperons too!
You have inspired me to dig my built-but-not-covered Bipe Stik out of storage and get it ready for spring flying. I now have a Saito FA 56 that should be a good fit for it.

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Hi spaceworm . Yeah the stick is an easy and fun plane to customize..you must've been browsing like me to find this old thread.Cool

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