I have had the Blade CX for some time and was looking at the CP Pro.I was just wondering if there is a lot of setup to them as far as blade pitch and all of the other stuff that comes with collective pitch Helis.Are they a lot of work to fly like the nitro ones.I have some buddies that fly nitro and it seems they are always working on them instead of fling them

I have not flown one, but the CX can be a lot of down time also. In the beginning I spent almost half my time with the unit fixing/modding over flying it. Spend 30 minutes fixing the CX and it could bend a part in one battery pack. Real heli's are the same, but that is the fun. Taking them apart, trouble shooting what is wrong and getting the satisfaction out of fixing the problem.
I am sure it also depends how aggressive you fly. One can just hover or do a little forward flight without problems, once they speed it up, fly higher, do some little tricks, opps, back to the workbench.

I would say it's about par for the course. They are fairly hard to fly, quite a bit more than larger nitro birds, I think. Not too hard to maintain and setup once you get to now their peculiarities. And I would say one hour of flight for every hour of tuning, repairing and setting up.

Even when you consider initial cost, the bigger the better, in my opinion.

With my CP Pro it was a handful to fly compared to the CX. If you get one check the setup before you fly. Mine needed adjustment out of the box. When I went through the setup it took me a half hour or so to get it right.

Look at the HB King II rather than the Pro as a former Pro owner its a hand full at best. Contact "betapilot" here for info. All I can say is its a great helicopter for the money. I fought the Pro and dumped a lot of money into it and it still flew like crap. Bought a T Rex and am loving it. Heard about the King and got one from Rusty just to play with and its great. Brushless set up test flown for around 200 bucks.

I went from the CX2 to a Walkera #4 FP machine. Little more forgiving than collective pitch. Same size as a CP however alot more forgiving. Personally I think it's the perfect transition machine between a CX and a Trex or bigger heli.

So does anyone else have any suggestions on a better heli,the reason I asked about the CP is thats what my LHS carries and parts for them

Sorry Gas it's super quiet in here tonight. You could hear a heli spool up from blocks away!

I was told to go with the Walkera #4 fixed pitch. Or take the $200 and spend it on a Trex. My LHS said they can out fit me for $550 for everything on a Trex. Radio, servos, motor, LiPo, and in the long run it is easier to fly. I am going with a walkera for Christmas and maybe a trex come summer depending on funds.

xyster, you can get a fully outfitted #4 for under a hundred bucks! Big stretch from a 4 up to a Trex.

Agreed on the $100. They are at ushobby for $75 ready to go. Great way to start I hope.

I'll keep you posted on my progress with mine! Michael hooked me up....above and beyond let me tell you. Single rotor here I come

Gasfreak,

If you know you have abnormal talent then I say go for it, if you are unsure of yourself, you may wanna consider another heli. Keep in mind the CPP is for experienced pilots only. If it is crashed, it can be a handfull to get all the vibration out, not to mention the money involved. It's important that the CPP is made to fly, not to crash. If I were you and bit the bullet and bought the CPP, find an instructor or at the least buy the training gear, depending on your talent and experience. The CPP is night and day compared to the CX2.

I don't mean to scare you, it can be done successfully. For example: I have a CPP with over 100 flights without a single crash. If you buy it, don't try to fly inside your house, you might regret it. Outside is more like it, the CPP does not fly like the CX2.

Good luck,

Corey

So if not the cpp what other one do you suggest,and by the way I have very little skill I have flown planes for years but it does not really carry over to heli I dont think

get a walkera 4#4 from michael at ushobbysupply, or a falcon 40, or a hbfp version 4 - all are less than $100 - the walkera's weak spot is the tx, i had to replace the walkera 4-in-1 with a dynam 3-in-1 and receiver and use the control from the dynam hughes 300 - the dynam hughes 300 is mostly the same as the hbfp v4 except has the short walkera 4#4 tail boom

crashproofing the little single rotors once you get them is easy - single rotors are inherently unstable and fly different (you can say that again!) from the coaxials

been over this before - pm me if you need the instructions

most damage is, in order, skids (if you don't install superskids), blades (of course), the flybar stick (if not replaced with metal wire), tail rotor parts (without a tail rotor protector, even with it they can vaporize and dissappear), flybar control frame balls, flybar to blade linkages, rotor head - so be sure to order spares of these parts


edge

Well the Fixed pitch machine like I have is alot more forgiving. You can ditch it pretty hard without damage and setup is alot easier than a collective pitch machine. The fixed pitch is also alot more stable vs. collective pitch. No you can't do 3D with the fixed pitch but it will get you accustomed to the twitchy flight characteristics of a single rotor. The Walkera #4, Falcon 40, Esky Honeybee all make a fixed pitch machine. They are cheap, easy to repair and should be a better choice than collective pitch.

Just my two cents.

the main difference is if you crash the cp, even a tiny one, you are done for the day and back to the workbench to fix blades, spindle shaft and chasing problems until it is perfectly set up again - with the fixed pitch (fp), unless its a huge one like i had with the metal pole, you can just straighten everything out, pop the rotor head back on and go again - they are a great single rotor trainer

edge

Hey what about the Venom nightranger 2 it is fixed pitch and my hobby shop also carries it as well he is a dealer for Horizon and I have had good luck so far with there products and good customer service

venom night ranger looks like yet another clone - also looks like a walkera tx or similar



any fp will take you a long way - expect to crash like crazy at first, especially if the heli is out of perfect setup

the steps for making it crashproof:

get superskids (http://www.ushobbysupply.com/product...roducts_id=163) - forget the fins and keep the batt tray sticks long and push them forward to protect the 3/4-in-1 - ca glue the joints

line the inside of the canopy with duct tape

make a circular tail rotor protector out of spring steel wire (available from the lhs as aileron wire - use the thinnest available), also get about a foot of small-size fuel tubing if you don't have any

replace the flybar stick once you break it with a piece of music wire from the lhs - get the same exact size and file down the spots where the screws contact it - don't strip the screws

use the battery that comes with it - work on the battery hangar to make the cg dead center on the shaft, front to back and side to side, with battery and canopy in place and ready to fly

you can add extra cp flybar collars to the flybar next to the paddles like on the cx2 to slow down the reaction time, and also you can move the servo links closer to the screw

most of these small single rotor trainers come with nimh batteries - nothing like blowing up the heli by crashing on a lipo - if there is no light on the charger to tell you what its doing, charge it til its warm (green 7 cell 650mHa nimh is about 80 minutes) and it will last about 10 minutes


edge

gasfreak,

I agree with everybody above, I would definately go with a fixed pitch heli. Just read the manual from start to finish and double check everything. Most of these eletric heli's are hard to fly right out the box. Take your time to adjust all the trims and pots as well as you can, it will make it easier for the 1st few flights. Also important, don't drain the Lipo's batteries to low, draining them 1 time to low will damage the battery permanatley.

What I stated above applys to most electric heli's.

Let us know what you buy and how you like it, Happy Shopping!!!

Corey

gasfreak,

Here's a few videos of some FP heli's. This is a Falcon 40 with different canopy and color. He crashed and broke the original canopy lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_85...eature=related

Here a Venom Night Ranger 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hGCLJ0pSfU

Here is a Esky Honey Bee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8EPJ...eature=related Dude says it not as easy as it looks.

The Falcon may be your best bet, especially for the price, although they say the stock battery is cheezy.

And here's a short hovering video of my CPP that you don't wanna buy, being you don't have much experience. It's harder then it looks. http://www.rcuvideos.com/item/YBLY8YQHN31D765T

If I were you, I would go with the Falcon, cheap and flys good. And won't cost an arm and a leg to fix if crashed, Heck I want a Falcon to, I need a fun easy to fly heli that I can enjoy, insted of my hard CPP, although I had many many fun hard flights with it.

Hope this helps,

Corey