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Old 03-27-2020, 09:37 PM
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I'm sorta new to electric: 30+ years in large warbirds, however. After dinking around with some foamies, then "training" on the Otter you see in the background, I teamed up with my buddy Lynn to electrify this 121", 54 lb beauty built by Dave Platt some 10 years ago. I suspect he gave up on it because he couldn't fit a big enough piston engine in the cowls!

All is going well, but I am doing thorough testing on all components before I fly a museum-quality masterpiece

Engines have come down to Dualsky 6000 vs AXi5345 and I've put them both through a lot of props on the stand.

Using Castle Edge HV160's and 7.7 amp-hour TP 12S lipos.

I really like the way the AXi swings a Xoar 20x12 prop for > 8 minutes and I have experience with those props, that rpm range on some big gassers: CBA-38 and Ziroli P-61

But I'm also measuring motor casing temps, and the AXi 5345 alway goes to about 130 F and stays there for most of a mixed high throttle run.

Is that OK??

I started with the higher engine timing set-up advised by AXi: 20-25 degrees, backed off to 5 degrees at recommendation of Castle tecchie and a knowledgeable friend, didn't seem to make much difference

Help??

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Old 03-30-2020, 10:09 AM
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Not an answer to your question, but since it's a twin model ...

Too long wires batteryside will kill ESC over time: precautions, solutions & workarounds - RCG
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  • Two problems
    ◦ Voltage spikes higher than battery voltage: transistor/FET/chip breakdown.
    ◦ Current through input capacitors too high: overheating/popping/exploding.
  • Example: four costly controllers consecutively cremated
  • Solution I: simply lengthen the motor wires instead
  • Solution II: add extra capacitors, rules of thumb
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Thanks for a very thorough summation

I wrassled with a lot of that with big-twin planning last fall and made a critical strategic decision to install the motors completely independently, which obviates concerns about long wires, but of course raises concerns about differential power outputs and/or battery rundown.

so far in testing on the Otter and the big motors, side differential has NOT been a problem. But my lipo’s are relatively new.

My prop testing has been aggressive: 2 and 3 blade Xoars, Mejliks, Biela’s, Varios from Germany. Favorite so far is Xoar 20x12’s 2B. Getting peaks > 7,000 rpm, run times up to 9 minutes at high mixed throttle.

Still concerned about the AXi’s (which chew up less battery) heating up to 130° and above at high throttle. No answer from Espirit Models. Could it be my 12S lipo’s? AXi package insert says 8-12S lipo’s, “10S ideal.”

Thanks for your help. Experienced big motor guys MUCH appreciated

Mark


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