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Old 06-29-2006, 10:03 PM
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Default Thoughts of an Aero ace slow flyer?

Has anybody tried making a slow-flyer out of the aero ace. I was thinking of doing that for slower speeds. Usually slow flyers use a gearbox for more torque than thrust. This aero ace slow-flyer will have an exception of a gearbox with an extremely large wing area (using dirrect drive), that will spped the plane down slow enough to fly in an average living-room! Any other thoughts, opinions, ideas, plans, would be helpfull. Advice needed!

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Old 06-29-2006, 10:13 PM
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i think your going to have to start from scratch because if you use an aero ace then you will be changing all the electronics and adding a servo/actuator for the rudder. btw, a biplane would be the slowest which would be best.
Old 06-29-2006, 10:21 PM
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Ohhh ya forgot to mention that I am starting from scratch (balsa). I'm drawing up some plans tright now. And thanks for the bipe idea I'll do just that!.
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Here's some plans (or more like drawings) I drew em up real quick just to show you what I have in mind! There real basic, and aren't the best designs. This is a rough sketch. I'm sure the cog is off but I'll tune it up later.
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Old 06-30-2006, 09:51 AM
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Default RE: Thoughts of an Aero ace slow flyer?

your plans look good! but do you have an idea of what size it is going to be?
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I'm still working on size. I'm guessing a little bigger then the original aeroace to carry that wing base!
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on the first picture on post 4 the big wings (the ones in front) need to have dihedral. and the bottom of the wings should curved a little to give it lift.
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Default RE: Thoughts of an Aero ace slow flyer?

Well here's the thing, It's going to be a balsa tissue model so to get curve on the bottom wing will be tough. Unless I make the wings foam!
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actually balsa curves pretty well. but if you cut along the grain then it will not bend. to figure out which side the grain os on bend it and only one of the sides will bend. the side that bends easier is the side you want to do it on. also do you know how to do the dihedral of the plane?
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Well I'm not sure If I know what your talking about. I was thinking of doing a balsa tissue wing. Not just a full balsa sheet wing. I'm kinda confused (like always), but are you opposing to a balsa sheet wing or a balsa tissue wing. 1st pic. is an example of a balsa sheet wing. And a balsa tissue wing has a balsa stick frame that the tissue paper covers.
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what i meant was when you put wings on a plane they have to have some dihedral like they go up on a slight angle but from your picture it looks like you know how to do the dihedral. i'm lost, could you explain to me the difference between balsa sheet and balsa tissue[sm=confused.gif][sm=confused.gif]. btw, your plane looks good. it looks like it was 3 channel, was it??
Old 06-30-2006, 02:07 PM
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Lol, Thats not my plane I got that from the net.
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Default RE: Thoughts of an Aero ace slow flyer?

evader master do you know the difference between balsa sheet and balsa tissue?
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yes. The difference is simply this. The picture of the plane I posted above has a balsa sheet wing. And this picture is an example of a balsa tissue wing I made from a kit.
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oh, i get it, that makes sense.
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Ok so back to the plane. Rc18t were you saying that I should do either a balsa sheet wing or balsa tissue wing? IMO I'd rather do a balsa sheet wing then a balsa tissue. Mainly because a balsa tisue wing takes such a long time to glue place and cut all the balsa sticks. Where all a balsa sheet wing takes is cutting out the shape of the wing and curving it.
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Lol, I made a smaller model of the bipe. I used tooth picks and left over scrapts of foam. (if there was enough foam I would make the bigger one), Everything is how the AA bipe will look like except the smaller version does not have curve on the wing nor does it have eletronics. (I just got bored of sitting at the screen and waiting for someone to reply(LOL), so I went and made this).
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The slowest I've been able to get the AA to fly using stick & tissue
is with a Strato Streak wing. It floated around the park nicely
(better with no wind) but could never fly around a living room.
It had a 16" wingspan and weighed 18 grams., a cola straw for
the tail boom and foam stab & rudder. There's a pic in my gallery.

Not sure you could even make an AA light & small enough to fly
around a living room. Those planes usually weigh in the range of
5 to 8 grams. The AA guts alone are 10.

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Ya I've been thinking of that, the smaller the plane the faster it will go (basiccaly just because the weight on a small plane will go fast. But eh what the heck I'll give it a try and if it doesn't work I'll put the eletronics in a new plane. Atleast I'll make it a qulde-sac flyer. I've got specs floating around in my head. WS-12 inches (1 foot), and fuse- 9in.
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A 12" ws should work depending on the wing area so you might
want to fatten it up a bit. Yes a smaller plane is lighter but may
not hold up the weight of the AA guts in flight. You might want
to build a stick wing and instead of tissue use Reynolds plastic
wrap. It's a bit lighter.
I still don't believe you could slow the plane down enough for a
living room flyer. Would make a great gymnasium flyer though.

Also the motors on your previous plans are too close together and
the angle of the wing should be moved a bit higher on the leading
edge. There should be some upward thrust from the motors to the
wing to help give it lift.
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ORIGINAL: Neurotex

Also the motors on your previous plans are too close together and
the angle of the wing should be moved a bit higher on the leading
edge. There should be some upward thrust from the motors to the
wing to help give it lift.
The drawings posted are just real quick plans. But thanks for the advice on motor settings. And one more thing. Do the AA's come stock with a Li-po battery?
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yep, a 130mah lipo.
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ORIGINAL: Neurotex


I still don't believe you could slow the plane down enough for a
living room flyer.

I stand corrected!
I have seen a post where micro has gotten the AA to fly in a living room.
To what extent I'm not sure because I couldn't down load the frick'n video.
So it can be done.... by those of the micro status that is! [8D]
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Default RE: Thoughts of an Aero ace slow flyer?

here's the vid. if going in fast circles continiously, trying not to hit everything at once counts as flying indoors, then i've flown indoors! http://www.rcgroups.com/gallery/show...cat=500&page=1

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