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Old 07-29-2005, 12:56 PM
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Hi All,

I would like to see some comments on the AXI motor Danny L. was using this nats. I believe he was using the 15.75 x 13 APC glow prop. The lower cost of the motor is tempting.

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Jim W.
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Old 07-29-2005, 02:35 PM
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Jim,
Talk to Dave Snow. He had some problems and finally went with a Hacker I believe. I know he couldn't throw the big props with the AXI.

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Default RE: AXI 53XX Pattern motor

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Hi All,

I would like to see some comments on the AXI motor Danny L. was using this nats. I believe he was using the 15.75 x 13 APC glow prop. The lower cost of the motor is tempting.

Thanks,

Jim W.
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The Axi's are MUCH heavier than an equivelent Plettenberg and from posted numbers draw higher current on the same prop/rpm combo.
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The Axi's are MUCH heavier than an equivelent Plettenberg and from posted numbers draw higher current on the same prop/rpm combo.
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I have to agree with chad. The AXI 5330/18 is a very powerful motor and easily pulls my 6.8kg Composite ARF 2x2 extra vertically as far as you could want with an APC 20x11 prop. It draws around 75A. I use Flightpower 10s3p 7500mah packs which weigh 1.6 kg. A 10 min flight uses 5.6A. I like the throttle response of the AXI, half throttle for level flights and the full when into the vertical.

For F3A you need an airframe 3-400g lighter and a 10s pack capable of 20C burst to use the AXI on a 5000mah pack. I have a thunderpower 5300mah prolite pack due monday so it will be interesting to see how it performs.

The AXI5330/24 is a lower reving motor drawing less current. Now that I have some APC22x12, 22x13 APCwe props it will be interesting to see how this goes. The AXI 5330/24 with a bolly wooden 23x10 didn't have the power needed.

The AXI has large cooling vents and seems to run cooler than the plettenberg. My Plett 25-13 certainly is around 250g lighter than the AXI and will run on the Flightpower 5s2p 5000mah packs. I will be flying it today with a APC19x12APCWE at chads recommendation in my impression patternship.

I have an Extra 30-10 due next week so it will be interesting to compare the motors. However, the AXI's certainly are good value for money, and my 5330/18 has certainly had some work and performed faultessly. The factory recommends 20-30 degree timing and the power at this timing is awesome.
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Default RE: AXI 53XX Pattern motor

lukedodd, Can I ask what rpm you are turning the 20 x 11 on the AXI motor?

Thanks.

Jeff
Old 07-30-2005, 02:20 PM
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Where can I buy Plett 25-13 in USA.
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Hi Jeff,

AXI5330/18 is turning the APC20x11 at 6800 rpm. I have started an xcell sheet of motor, battey voltage, props and current draw data I can email you if you like.

It has Mainly the AXI5330xx but also the Pletten 25-13. I will add some more data soon when my 30-10 arrives. I also have some new APC 21x12,13 WE props to try.

Data was obtained from a 30 sec bench run using the packs as listed via a Hyperion E-meter.

regards luke
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Luke, I would be delighted to receive your spreadsheet.

I am currently using a geared Neumotor and having issues with the gearbox and am thinking I want to go with a direct drive.

I have an AXI 4130/20 and love not having to mess with a gearbox and it's attendant unreliability.

Be sure and send the 30-10 data when you get. I am waiting to make a choice until I see some real data about the 25-13 vs. the 30-10.

Thanks.

Jeff
Old 07-31-2005, 03:37 PM
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I'm running the 5330/18 like Dan but with a 18x12 APC e-prop and drawing 69 amps WOT and putting out 2200 watts and turning 6250 rpms on a 5kg Focus II and running the MaxAmps.com packs.. (2) 5s2p 4200mah packs in the plane.. 15c with a 20 burst.
My cruise speed is less than 60 amps.
Also using the Castle Creations HV110 amp speed controller
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Old 08-01-2005, 02:03 PM
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Hi PatternPilot,

Thanks for posting your information. Please descibe your battery packs a little more. At 4200 mah, how much are you putting back in after a flight? What class are you flying?

Thanks,
Jim
Old 08-02-2005, 12:23 AM
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Hi Jim,

My packs are from MaxAmps.com and I'm running (2) 5s2p packs and putting in about 2000 mah after the intermediate round, I have only fun one set of sticks down to cut off doing alot of trim work.. I should be able to get thru the advanced pattern with these.. I know Dan L. goes thru 4400-5000 for the FAI pattern and he using the Tanic packs.. I'll be getting more data Temps and run time this week I'm on vacation and going to be flying with Dan at the AGS meet in Sayre PA.
The packs are new with a 15c and a 20c burst so I'm feeding info back to Austin and Clint at MaxAmps.com, I'm sure I could get a bigger (mah) pack made without a problem if needed.
I'm also going to go to the HV85 CC speed controller for plane #2 and save about 2 oz.


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Old 08-04-2005, 09:37 PM
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Jim,

Been flying all week at the ASG club field.. Glow yesterday and E-plane today.. Glow yuck...
Anyhow.. 15-20 mph wind today and pack temps 124-130 and putting in 2700 mah back into the packs.. Outside temp 95f.
This weekend is going to be cooler weather..


scott
Old 08-16-2005, 04:42 AM
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To PatternPilot,

Hi, do you already fly with the Phoenix HV-85 (CC) how is this controller keeping up, how is the midrange, is the controller nicely liniear?

Thx
Winfried
Old 08-18-2005, 10:16 AM
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Winfried,

Right now I'm using the CC HV 110 amp controller and have not had any cooling issues.. Throttle responce is quick and crisp.. I do also have a curve on my setup right now, since my plane will fly the whole pattern at 48% power.. I'm on the list for the HC85 to do some work with it when ready..

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Old 08-21-2005, 11:31 AM
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Sorry to hear about the problems. In 2 weeks a much higher power 6.7 P42 gear reduction will be available as a retrofit for the smaller P32 reduction on the 15XX. This is the same gear reduction that the 2215 motor uses which runs over 4000 watts. It has a 8mm output shaft and cann handle much larger porps without problems. On the 2215 motor it has a 4 bladed 27 inch prop on it now. The P32 gear drive can handle smaller props fine but the large heavy props need the larger drive.

Contact DMA about a upgrade.

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Default RE: AXI 53XX Pattern motor

Hi Luke,

What were your findings with the axi on the 5300 packs?
What prop did you find to be the best for pattern with this setup?
And thoughts on the 18 vs 24?
Thanks for your time!!!!

Chris
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Chris,

The 5330/18 is definetely the motor for pattern. The 24 does not have the rpm you need.

The 5330/18 runs well on the TP 5300, the pack seems to hold volatge well. With an APC 18x12 prop I only need half throttle for horizontal maneuvers. It has all the power you could want for my 5kg Impression.

regards luke
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Default RE: AXI 53XX Pattern motor

Luke,
Have you tried it on a 21 or 22 inch prop?
If so what are your findings?
I kind of feel that if I can only swing an 18 inch prop I'll just go Hacker or stick with my os140rx with a 4 blade as I have great downline speed with it.
Thanks again for your comments.
Chris
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They have a 5330/F3A now. It´s in the catalogue at their homepage. The k/V is a little lower than the /18, so it can spin slightly larger props. Not at all like the /24 though.

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Hi all,
yes the AXI has now new version of AXI 5330 which was tuned for F3A[8D]
Actually I'm using it with APC E 22x12, 5500 rpm, 72 Amps with Polyquest batteries at my electric SHARK.
I thing that this setup is very suitable for pilots who would like fly constant speed.
The power is enough for PO5 as well as for P07.

Hope you will like it



Ales
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Chris,

My 5330/18 swings a apc20x11 prop at 6800 rpm in my 6.8 kg Composite ARF 2x2 extra. This model has excellent power.

Larger props than 20x11 have too high a current draw and exceed the rating of the motor.

I can't imagine any sub 5kg pattern ship needing more power than the 5330/18 swinging a 20x11.

I use an 18x12 to lower the current drain and reduce power as I don't need the pull of the 20x11 with my 5kg impression.

The motors are excellent value for money in my opinion, run cool and have been maintenance free and totally reliable.

luke

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Are these axi/f3a motors for sale now over where you live? Where can you get one if so?
Thanks alot..

Good flying!!!!!

Chris
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Chris,

I have only just heard about the new 5330/18F3A. I have been using the standard 5530/18 which gives a little more rpm/V.

I have also tried the Pletten 30-10 with big props at around 5500rpm. Personally I like motors that can swing props over 6500rpm. You see to get better throttle control and response. With the lower reving motors you seem to need full throttle most of the time.

I have tried the Cyclon F3A in my Extra 2x2 @ 6.8kg its swinging a 21x13 prop at 6000rpm, but i prefer the AXI 5330/18 with a 20x11 swinging at 6800rpm. Model still flies well with the Cyclon and I need to do more testing. It looks a good motor but is twice the price and the built quality was a little disappointing. Mine arrived just enclosed in a cardboard box, so the casing had some minor scratches, and also some minor corrosion on the leads.

I am no expert pattern flier but I certainly can recognise the power difference with the various motor/prop combo's.

Did I send you my X-cell spreadsheet comparing AXI5330, plett 25-13,30-10, CyclonF3A with various props. Tests done at sea level with Hacker acro 90, timing and frequenct specified in the spreadsheet?

luke

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Luke,

Any chance of posting the spreadsheet here or if not would you pm me a copy? I want to try an outrunner in my new Impact to compare with the Hacker 13 wind motor on 21 x 14 in my existing one. I was leaning towards the Cyclon but you have me thinking now.

Cheers

Malcolm
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Hi Chris,

If possible, I would like to receive a copy of that spreadsheet aswell..

Thanks
Winfried

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