crazyf3a

Hallo to all
I need help about the weight from the Plettenberg Xtra 30-10 Evo.
I have two Pletti Evos. The first Pletti weighs 565 gr. The second Pletti weighs 586 gr.
I had call Plettenberg in Germany. The only success was that Plettenberg has changed his Website. Now the weight on the Pletti Webside is 570 gr. Is this normaly.

can773

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Hi Crazy,

I weighed the one that I have out of a plane at the moment, without the prop bolt the motor weighed 556g, including the 3.5mm connectors on the wires.

The only think I can guess why one is that much heavier is that the can was out of balance and there was a lot of weight needed to correct it, but it seems like its a bit heavy.

If I get a chance I will pull out my other motor and weigh it.

crazyf3a

Hello Chad
First, Thank for help. It is not inevitably to weigh the second Pletti.
Today I had a call with Mr. Plettenberg and he told me, it was absolutely necessary to modify the Motor. There were several problems with the rear Ball bearing.
He is not happy also about the excess weight. I have asked whether motor I must modify. When it is necessary. Only with spinner's assembly.
OK, I think this was it.

Andreas

Here is a Photo of the new motor. Sorry my camera ist not the best.

Malcolm H

Hello Andreas,

Do you mean a modification is necessary when using Plettenberg's own motor inside the spinner arrangement or when using a conventional spinner on the motor?

Regards

Malcolm

crazyf3a

Sorry for the misleading words.
Mr Plettenberg tells me, the modification is only necessary when using Plettenberg's own motor inside the spinner arrangement.

When you using a conventional Spinner on the motor, the Modification is NOT necessary.
I hope I have not confused.
SR
andreas

Malcolm H

Thanks Andreas

Malcolm

can773

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Hi Andreas

Yes I forgot about the issue with bearings when running the motor mounted inside the spinner, but I did not think that the weight of the motor increased. I know of a few people in Canada that had a problem with bearings when the motor was spinner mounted.

I dont use my motor mounted in the spinner so I am not really familiar with exactly the reason for the problems with the bearing and what changes were made.

crazyf3a

Hi to all
Nobody, and also Mr Plettenberg is happy with more weight. He had told me at phone. But I think he is simply honest. I had a long telephone call with him. With my last Motor 30-10 not the evo I had more than 350 flights, and no Problems. Really no Problems. And with the ESC also. I don't understand why not more pilots flies with this Drive Set. It is perfect. I have the motor not in spinner mounted and until today no Problems.
@Chad: I think also It is not necessary to have a Spinner Assembly. And I hope for a lot of flights with the Evo.

Andreas

BaldEagel

Hi all

I have a Plettenberg 30-10 EVO on order to be delivered shortly and have to decied on what ESC to use, the choise is between the 'Schulze Future 32.80KA or the Jeti Spin 90, has anyone got any experience with either of these and what are the benifits of either?

Thanks in advance
Mike

serious power

Mike, go with the Schulze as they test cooperate in development with Pletenberg.
This esc has an F3A specific program. There is no programing involved, just set the dip switches for your motor.
It has fixed end points and does not need setting to full throttle before each flight.

Regards

Brian

crazyf3a

Hi to all Pletti and Schulze specialists.
My question today.
I have Problems with the Schulze esc. K32-80 KA
First I can say that I have flown a two Xtra 25-13 with a 32-55KA. One 30-10 with another 32-55KA. Now with the 30-10 Evo I have the first 32-80KA and the motor has start-up problems. Not every time.
On my 9Z I make the trottle curve flatter. The start-up is better. With the 32-55KA I don't have start-up problems. I think in more then 350 flights.
I has tells Mr.Schulze on phone. He said I must turn on the DIP switch for geared motors. Sw. Nr.4
Can everybody confirm this. The Problem is only when the prop stand still. I would like to have only one fine approach. If somebody has the same problem, what can I still do.
SR
andreas

swlarcham

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Hi Andreas
remember me ? You emailed me your drawing of your motomount for your Evolution when I put the Plett30-10Evo on my Evolution. IN fact I'm, using the FP evo batteries & I call it the TresEvo,but that's another story.
I have never heard this. I've been running the Evo /32.80 all year. My flying buddy uses the 25.13/32.55 and I copied his throttle curve to start with. NO GOOD !!
I had to tweak the curve quite a bit but I fly JR so I'm not sure what to tell you other than the 2 ESC's are definitely different. It is my assumption that the difference has to do with the braking programing but I'm not sure.

You said you made the throttle curve flatter and it got better. Well from memory that seems backwards to me. I remeber making quite a large rise quickly to get the stutters to go away

Eddie

can773

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Hi Andres

We had this problem with the V15 controllers, so Schulze updated them to V20 with some internal changes to the software to aid in starting. Ever since then there has been no problems with starting the motors. If you have a V15 controller I would suggest getting it updated to a V20 first and that will probably fix the problem.

I have not tried to play with the #4 switch as Mr. Schulze suggests. I suppose it could not hurt to try though.

We more or less decided that its a problem with the radio systems input signal (either through user programming or native to the radio) to the esc, as neither Schulze or Plettenberg could replicate the problem on the test bench, and only certain radio systems seem to cause it to happen. For instance Bernd Bershorner who flies Multiplex did not have the issue, while nearly everyone (there was one who didn't) who was flying Futaba 9Z's and JR 10X's here in Canada had a problem.

serious power

Hi Chad,
Interesting!.
We have V18 & V19's.
Do you know about these?.
Can these be upgraded online and if so how.

Regards

Brian

crazyf3a

Hi to all
Thanks for all tipps and helps.
Today I had the next call with Plettenberg and Schulze. All the same.
Maybe I already hear the grass growing.
I can not believe that nobody has these start problems. Is there ever a problem or is it normal. It is also only a brief moment where the motor make Grrrrrrrr, then he runs perfectly. Even in flight, no problems. My old regulator has never done grrrr ... At the start. In more than 350 flights.
I will make a mini video of them.

@ Chad
Mr. Mr. Schulze says in the gear mode the Softly approach would be better.
I have updated my esc. to vers. 20 last year 02/07.


@Brian
Thank you for your PM. I will send you a PM.
The update can not be made online. As far as I know.
After the update the soft start is better.

crazyf3a

OK, I have uploaded a mini video
Title: MVI_0001.AVI
andreas

Please turn Soundcard on. On Video is the Orig. Sound on Start up.
Q: Is this normaly.

swlarcham

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I have a question about connectors wiht the Plett/Schulze combo.
I damaged a 32.80 ESC this summer and Schulze said it was due to faulty connections.
The FP F3A batteries are so easy to use with bullet connectors that I've been using the 6mm NEU and really like them.
The reply I got back with the repaired ESC ,if I understand it correctly, states to only use the Schultze 4mm connectors. It even goes on to say not to use Deans as they are only rated for 50amps.

I am troubled with having to junk all my 6mm connectors and switch to the 4mm.
Also for E power in general I thought the Deans was the preferred non bullet connector as almost everyone in D-6 that I've seen uses them.

Can anyone help me understand this.
Eddie

can773

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Hi Eddie,

Matthius Schulze is super duper picky about connectors! You are not alone being told the Neu connectors are no good, I suggest in the future when sending back the esc to remove your connectors from the controller. Personally I think the Neu connectors are as good as anything else out there (if they are not too damaged), and have used them for years without problems.

Deans are OK, but only if soldered properly, they can be absolutely terrible if you do it wrong. Also for hooking up two 5s packs its far easier with bullets as you no longer need Y connectors etc.

Andreas,

If you are already using V20 then I would try what Matthius suggested with the #4 switch. Also we still get a small brrrp when the motor first starts but its very short and the motor starts every time. If this is what you experience I have been flying mine like that for a while now and dont think its a problem for the motor or controller.

swlarcham

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Chad
Thanks for the answer.
When the problem occurred I had cluless what was wrong. I made the mistake of installing a borrowed ESC and fried it in 4 flights. SO I sent back everything, Motor esc connectors and all.

I will say this Etienne at I-Care was very concerned with my problem. Being a average JOE budding pattern flyer I was nervous about the call but he spent a good long time on the phone with me getting a clear picture of what happened before asking me to send it all in for service. He told me to leave it all asis and I agreed with that because I wanted an answer. Maybe I compressed one of the male ends enough to cause a loose connection. I still don't know. I am gonna install new connectors just to be safe. Afterall I could've bought a battery for what the repair cost me.

I agree that I've seen some quite ugly Deans connections but I am glad to hear you say that. The part that amazed me was the claim that they are only rated to 50 amps. I've not been able to find that rating stated anywhere.

Malcolm H

I've posted this somewhere else but can't remember where (age I'm afraid) so apologies for repetition.

A starting startegy which has worked for me since I started using the Plett is this. I have two throttle curves. Curve 1 is set to take the controller into the braking regime with stick down and trim up. Braking can be adjusted in flight using trim (10X analogue trim). Curve 2 has motor stopped with trim down stick down but motor at idle rpm with stick down trim up. I arm the controller in curve 2 with trim down then start it by rolling up the trim which results in a very controlled application of power and a perfect start every time. I then take off and once in the air flick to curve 2. I have never had even the slightest in air buzz as the prop is always turning even in brake mode. Of course curve 1 is also available in flight for non braking throttle downs where required.


Malcolm

serious power

Hi,
I have just got a ET V3 Elogger.
How many poles do I tell it for the Plettenberg Evo 30/10 ,and why.
10 ?????? 20??????

Regards

Brian

Malcolm H

Data sheet on Plett website says 20 poles Brian.

If its wrong your rpm reading will be out.

Malcolm

crazyf3a

Hi
I have the answer. I will take another connectors for ESC-Mot. and ESC-Batt.
For Mot-ESC 3,5 mm Hopf-Connectors (0,14 mOhm). And for ESC-BATT. 5,4 mm Connectors.
[link=http://shop.lindinger.at/product_info.php?products_id=60467&osCsid=198724b51ef5c033d2463810c91ffc95]5,4 mm Connectors[/link]

serious power

Hi,
Just got an ET V3 ELogger.
I shortened the red leads a little and put on 5.5's.
I am not passing through the black leads at all. I removed them, and replaced them with a light lead to pick up neg've esc to batt line.
I checked with Eagle Tree first.
So now on my DC side I have ~80mm extra lead length + 2 extra connectors(would have been 4 ).
Before this I had a very good start, no 'Judder' just a 'J'.
Now I have a 'JJ'. The difference is small but clearly there.
Had I put the black leads and connectors in I am sure I would have a 'JJ-DD'.
Originally when we had high end 'BUZZZ' the start had a 'JJJ-DDD'
Interesting ?????????

Brian

alchemique

Hi guys!
I need some help on Pletti 30. I am building now 87" (2,2m) acro plane - Velox from Orion Model Cz. Whit DA50 it comes at 13,5 lb and empty weight is 6.2-6.4 lb. I want to built first such a big plane on only 8s and reduce weight to 11-12lb. I was thinking about Haacker A60-18M , but I've found cheap Pletti 30-10 old - not evo verion. Is it posible to fly it with success on 8s on 12lb 3D plane? I started thread on rcgroups : [link]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=866434[/link]