mups53

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A new pattern guy friend of mine wants to do the Dream 110 E. It's a fairly large plane with a 69" WS.
Any suggestions? Motor? Cheap? Expensive? Lipo size? Esc Size?
Thanks Mike

jumper666

Weight? Performance wanted?

50 - 70 watts/lb = min for light park flyers
70 - 90 watts/lb = trainer and slow flight
90 - 110 watts/lb = sport aerobatic & fast scale
110 - 130 watts/lb = advanced aerobatic & high speed
130 - 150 watts/lb = light 3d and ducted fans
150 - 200+ watts/lb = unlimted 3D

Check out the set ups at 3DHS for the 55" and 87" (either side of your acft) planes. It might give you a too low and too high starting point.

http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/SearchRes...x?CategoryID=4

mups53

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I'd suspect the weight to be 9 lbs or so. He is a good IMAC flyer so I know he'll be looking for top performance. Thanks, Mike

jumper666

Motor comparisons:

http://www.innov8tivedesigns.com/Sco...ison%20Web.htm

R/C Dude Hobbies has been helpful in the past with answering power questions. You might give them a try:

http://www.rcdude.com/servlet/StoreFront

The folks at 3DHS (link already sent) are friendly and helpful.

Reaper Brushless is knowledgable and helpful.

http://www.reaperbrushless.com/

swlarcham

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Mups
My flying buddy, Nat Penton flys his Express F3A plane which weighs around 9# with the Plettenberg Xtra 25-13 motor and Schulze fut-32.55KA ESC using full 10s batteries with good success. Not the cheapest setup but one I know will work and I haven't heard of anyone who's chosen Plett be dissapointed.
That way he would not need new batteries if/when he moved up to a 2Meter plane. he might be ok with smaller batteries, We just haven't done it so I'm not gonna say that.

Eddie

mups53

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Thanks Eddie. Pletty's are the best but in this case we need a cheaper alternative. I agree the 10S setup is the best so he can use them in a full 2 meter when he wants to advance.
I'm thinking this motor may do the trick:
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2907
Any opinions on that? Thanks, Mike

wattsup

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mup53, I would recommend the new Axi mentioned in the above thread. The Hyperion Z5025-22 is a CHEAP motor & will not holdup as was discussed in a thread about it below. Ask ivanwhlee. You asked for an opinion. Regards___TNWalker

mups53

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TN this AXI I think would work the best:
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/brushless-axi5320.htm
The new one should fill the gap betwwen too heavy and this one too light and not enough power. For my new Sickle I opt'd for the Pletty Evo 30, big bucks but seems to hit on all the points I really need in my plane. I still love my AXI's F3A's but the weight just doesn't work in my new plane. Mike

mups53

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Found the AXI for less at this site. Anyone ever use this company?
http://www.rc-dymond.com/index3.php?productID=1664

patternrules

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Yes I have bought servos glider guys love the 4.7 servo and a charger from them.
Steve Maxwell

wattsup

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mups53/mike, I see where Dymond Modelsport is located in Santee, CA. That's a good thing & a great price on the Axi! Also, I see you've gotten off on the right foot buying quality (Plettenberg) & getting advice from people that know what they are talking about. I've learned a few valuable lessons in the approx 3 years since I migrated from glow to electric side. Initially, I listened to someone that I thought knew something about lipo batteries (charging, duration of flight times & balancing, etc). Boy was he wrong & it cost me
financially! Since then I've come to rely on only three (3) sources for information & these individuals live in Katy, TX, Placerville, CA & Medford, NJ. Like I said, I've learned my
lesson. Regards___TNWalker

can773

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I have a friend that uses an A50 14L, 17x12 prop and 8s 3900 packs for the Advanced routine, its about 1800W, plane is around 7.5 lbs I think. I have flown P-09 with it no problem, although not quite the punch my Integral has its good power for pattern.

I dont think the plane would fly all that well with a heavier 10s set of packs.

mups53

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TN you should add Calgary Canada to that list. Earl, Chad, Dave they are all pretty darn smart and have greatly helped me to be successful along with my personal guru's Dave Snow, Steve Maxwell and Chris Moon. Mike

wattsup

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mups53/Mike, You have a great crew backing you! Actually, I was referring to Earl, Woodie & Dave in my earlier response. It's amazing to me how much they know & can apply to both the planes & propulsion systems. Mike, if you competed in the Rough River contest in the early 90's along with Jeff Coombs, you would recognize me & my pit crew/wife. Regards______TNWalker

mups53

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TN while I competed many times at Rough River I sadly never competed in the 90's. I just recently have gotten to know Geoff Combs. He dabbles in pattern a little and I can see his skill level must have been extraordinary in his prime.
I had to quit the hobby for family obligations for many years which looking back at is was the right thing to do. I competed at the Team selection at Rough River in 1975. I really loved that place. Mike

wattsup

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mups53/mike I believe I have you confused with another pattern flyer by the name of Mike. I just can't seem to recall his last name & assumed you were that same person. Anyway, it's all good! You were right to have put your family first during that period of time. I'm glad you thought enough of this activity to return to enjoy it again. I bet you
can really tell the changes after your long hiatus! Yes, Jeff Coombs was a great F3A flyer at the time along with Dave von Linsowey (sp?) & Ivan Christiansen. Looking back I realize now how fortunate we were to be able to use the facility/airport at Rough River, KY. Regards Again_____TNWalker

patternrules

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Mike Kline

wattsup

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patternrules/steve_Thanks!_TNWalker

patternrules

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I just heard today that he'll be doing some flying this year, I don't know him but do know people close to him.

wattsup

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steve, I'd love to see all the guys from the 90's come back to compete. They were a great bunch to hang out with & most were pretty good flyers. I reminded Dave L. of that
contest, in one of the other threads, when he & his father were in attendance there. Early turn-around pattern was a challenge!___TNWalker

Ed Lyerly

Hi Mike,
I have converted several pattern planes this size. I have one of these, but have not started it yet. It is similar in size and weight to a GP Venus II and a Fliton Inspire 90, and I have converted both of them.
For moderate price .... Use an E Flite 110, CC HV 85 or Jeti 90, 8S 3700 Rhino lipos, and an APC 17x10 prop.
For a Ferrari ... use a Neu 1512/1.5Y/6.7:1/F, CC HV 85, 8S 3700 Rhino lipos, and a 18x10 or 18x12 prop.
Plan on going to TnT landing gear and have them bend a taller set of aluminum gear.
Ed