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Old 08-23-2009, 04:26 PM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

Hello everyone,

It's so nice to find a thread speaking about this beauty.

I just ordered it and can't wait to receive it.

Thanks to mola I will pay special attention to all struts not to have any problem.

MOLA, I'll use the exact setup as you since I bought the combo version. What batteries are you using.

Old 08-23-2009, 09:30 PM
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Yeah good to hear about what Morten did, I just wicked some thin CA onto the tabs of the struts. Will start building the Ms Wind tonight. Also, cancelled my order for the 5085, its waaaaay too big. My friend measured the servo well and not the cavity. Hehehehee ... good thing Morten posted on this plane. A real life saver!
Old 08-23-2009, 10:05 PM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

I would like to no if this battery will work.I will be using the Hacker moter A50-16s. Turnigy 5000mah 6s 30c lipo Constant discharge 30C, Peak discharge is 40c it's the size and weight that I'm worried about.143x49x44 the pack weight 789.Most of the battery's are around 700 will this be to heavy.Thanks
Old 08-23-2009, 10:24 PM
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Tommy ... mola's packs are 800g ... he seems happy.
Old 08-24-2009, 01:34 PM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

This plane is a real fast build, got most of the plane ready save for the horizontal stab. Takes a mere leisurely 3 hours to get to this stage. I went with a Sullivan tail wheel instead of the stock one. Locating the holes for the CF rod wing retainers were easy if you use a pin to prod carefully. As for the aileron horns, the back is slightly too long and it will bump on the top part of the aileron, so dry fit and double check if you need to shave a little off before you CA it.
Old 08-24-2009, 03:09 PM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

Hi Tiani,

Do you work with Hobby ?

Do you sells the Miss Wind 50 ?

Send to Brazil ?

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Old 08-24-2009, 04:01 PM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

My batteries are 730 grams, and the model seems to handle that weight without problems.
Old 08-25-2009, 12:21 AM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

Could not sleep last night and was up till 4 am to finish the plane, more like finished it fast and was admiring her all night. Hehehehehee ... I think the total time spend to build the plane sans installation is a mere 3-4 hours. Only dislike is the part where the fuse and horizontal stab meet. This area needs more wood to ensure a stronger bond. Here are some pics of her at the LHS ...

I find simple things like using hex cap head screws to secure the UC is a good idea, beats trying to fix it with those Phillip head screws that you know will keep on dropping off!

Arnaldo ... I do not run a hobby shop. You got email anyways.

AUW of plane only is no more than 1,600g. Plane + ESC + servos + motor = no more than 2,380g. AUW flying will be 3,030g. Not bad at all, Seb's specs are spot on!
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:07 AM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

Hi MOLA,
Thanks for your reply !!

I assume this is your batteries http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=9315 since I'm ready to order my batt's and I wanted to ask you two things:
1. How many minutes do they run ??
2. Wich LiPo balancer are u using ?

Thanks in advance
Old 08-25-2009, 11:16 AM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

The ones I have are actually the 20C version, but they only weigh 730 grams even though they are advertised as 740 grams.

I haven't measured the flying time but after a flight with a little fun + P09 + a little more fun I have recharged approx. 3600mAh.

I have the 1010B+ iCharger for these batteries. Had to try it out at that price... (you have to log in at HC to get the good price!) Seems to be a good charger, I just wish it could show the internal resistance during charging, you can only do that after (or before) the charging process with this charger.
Old 08-25-2009, 09:01 PM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

I was sorting out the installation last night and I can say its more work than building the plane. The Hyperion 4025-12 fits in nicely and the bolt patterns are exactly the same as a Hacker. She should be ready by tomorrow!

Morten ... what did you do for the ailerons? 2 channels or 4? I am thinking if its 2 channels how will I get the servo horn on each side to be aligned?
Old 08-26-2009, 01:56 PM
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I have used 4 channels for the ailerons. In the 14MZ you can choose a wing configuration with 4 aileron servos, and that works fine for a biplane and lets you sub-trim all ailerons separately. I think you need at least an 8 channel RX to run the 4 aileron config since the last aileron is plugged into channel 8.
Old 08-26-2009, 08:54 PM
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Morten ... Okay ... am using a 9X, will program her tonight. I think it would be much easier on the 14MZ.
Old 08-29-2009, 11:55 AM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

Okay ... finally got her ready today but last night I buggered the motor, in my haste I did not double check that my screws for the motor was of the correct length. It was too long and one cut into the windings, so looks like I shall have to send the motor to be rewound. So the best I can do it to get the DualSky 4260-6. With a XOAR 16x10E she was pulling 86A or 1,600+W ... I think I shall maiden her with a 15x8 to be on the safe side. She looks great!

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Old 08-31-2009, 03:36 PM
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Very nice.
Old 08-31-2009, 09:53 PM
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JD ... I have only had 3 short flights so far and the plane has not been properly set up yet. These are my observations:

- she is very stable (you feel this more than the Angel)
- you feel a lot of drag, when you throttle off she slows down pretty fast
- the plane penetrates very well (must be the thin wings with the swept back leading edge)
- despite the drag she does not need to fly with a high AOA when you go slow (I assume the wings generate good lift, she does not fly floaty like the 3D planes)
- take off is easy and landings can be as slow as about 15 mph (you need not pull the elevator and hit the throttle in a semi harrier)
- rolls are very crisp, you do not see her 'over rolling'
- KE is superb, hardly any coupling (the CG has not been fully sorted out yet, its like the Angel)
- stall turns are very smart (the rudder has a lot of authority)
- she will pull nice big loops and track straight through it
- snaps are very clean, when you release the sticks she stops, no wagging of the tail
- downlines are much slower than the Angel (not braking used on ESC)

It will get better when I start to sort out the set up properly. I have not even checked lateral balance and that the throws are all equal on either way. Was too keen to maiden her, my bad!
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:38 PM
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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

Tianci

Looks great, I can understand wanting to fly her a little early. You will have fun with it. I should start looking for one here.
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Hi Tianci,

Congratulations !

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Tianci,

Tell me the Spinner size ans servos used please !

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Arnaldo ... am unsure about the spinner size, I think its a 2.25", doubt its 2.5" ... I shall measure it for you tonight. As for my set up is as follows:

Motor - DualSky 4260-6 (566KV), not recommended, it is being pushed too hard, I will be using my Hyperion 4025-12 when it repaired
ESC - Turnigy 80A
Batt - Rhino 20C 5S 4,900
Prop - APC 15x8E (soon to be XOAR 16x10 or 16x12)
Servo - HS65 (AIL), HS5485 (ELE/RUD)

Using the Hyperion motor I shall need to use spacers as the motor shaft is too long. Maybe I can cut it. Don't need such a long shaft anyways. As for servos the HS 5485s are cheap but good digital servos for 50 sized planes, they center well and are smooth. The HS65s were good, no issues on centering or blow back. Using HS5065s would be nicer I guess, why not? We should spoil ourselves.
Old 09-03-2009, 12:47 AM
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Arnaldo ... spinner is 2.25". Here are some pics of the maiden last weekend. Was a cloudy day so the colours are not that great. Will get better shots this weekend if I can.

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Old 09-03-2009, 01:39 AM
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The spinner is included with the kit...!
Old 09-03-2009, 05:19 AM
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Yeah ... spinner is free.
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Ok Tianci,

Very nice photos !

Tell more about the Miss Wind 50 Fly ?

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Default RE: Sebart Miss Wind S 50E

Arnaldo ... let me repeat what I wrote elsewhere:

I am not a full fledged pattern flyer but am learning it so I understand how to properly set up a plane and at least fly straight. I used to fly the Sebart Angel S 50 and I replaced her with the Sebart Ms Wind 50. Both are in the same class. If we leave the issue of design etc etc out, I can only say that the bipe is much more to my liking. Maybe its this particular one but what I noted are as follows:

i. the bipe has more drag and you need to push her, I like this, easier to push that to try and hold back
ii. the Angel wants to get away from you if you do not manage the throttle properly
iii. the bipe gives slower downlines
iv. the bipe seems to be more stable without much weight penalty
v. the rolls on the bipe seem more in control, she does not have a tendency to over roll
vi. bipe presents its self better in the air
vii. bipe may not snap as hard as the Angel, maybe its just an illusion
viii. Ms Wind can come in for a landing at about 15 mph

I need more flights before I can say how much better the Ms Wind is than the Angel S.


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