New Sebart Wind 50E
01-23-2011, 07:15 PM
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Hi Nosram,
That sounds great. It's almost done. At least you'll have something special to look forward to on your return!! I'm currently at 20 degrees up and 20 degrees down on ailerons and about the same on elevator. Ihave 35% expo on each. I'd actually like it to be a bit more sensitive so Imay either up the throws or reduce the expo a bit, but even at this setup it still has a good fast roll at full deflection, and does really nice spins. Ihaven't measured rudder throw but it's probably about 40 degrees each way and no expo.
Good luck on the first flight for when you get back!
Rick
That sounds great. It's almost done. At least you'll have something special to look forward to on your return!! I'm currently at 20 degrees up and 20 degrees down on ailerons and about the same on elevator. Ihave 35% expo on each. I'd actually like it to be a bit more sensitive so Imay either up the throws or reduce the expo a bit, but even at this setup it still has a good fast roll at full deflection, and does really nice spins. Ihaven't measured rudder throw but it's probably about 40 degrees each way and no expo.
Good luck on the first flight for when you get back!
Rick
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RJTW
Its very close now, I'm just very slooooow! All I have to do is balance it and set the throws. We will be on vacation in Virginia until early Febuary, so it will not fly until we get back
What throws are you using for pattern flying?
RJTW
Its very close now, I'm just very slooooow! All I have to do is balance it and set the throws. We will be on vacation in Virginia until early Febuary, so it will not fly until we get back
What throws are you using for pattern flying?
01-24-2011, 05:48 AM
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RE: New Sebart Wind 50E
George,
After doing some playing, I think with the recommended setup that comes with the plane 6S is the way to go. Much easier and TONS of power. I know that if you run different motors, you can probably find one that works well, but with the recommended setup, I would stick to the 6S.
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After doing some playing, I think with the recommended setup that comes with the plane 6S is the way to go. Much easier and TONS of power. I know that if you run different motors, you can probably find one that works well, but with the recommended setup, I would stick to the 6S.
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01-24-2011, 06:00 AM
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RE: New Sebart Wind 50E
Thanks Arch. Looks like I need a new charger as well as new batteries now! All my old pattern planes were powered by .61 fuel engines; Have flown electrics for about 15 years now, but all with smaller motors and packs.
George
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01-24-2011, 12:11 PM
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Arch, what prop are you using? I'm on a 16x12 but am considering a 16x10 or even 17x8 to keep speed more constant.
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George,
After doing some playing, I think with the recommended setup that comes with the plane 6S is the way to go. Much easier and TONS of power. I know that if you run different motors, you can probably find one that works well, but with the recommended setup, I would stick to the 6S.
Arch
George,
After doing some playing, I think with the recommended setup that comes with the plane 6S is the way to go. Much easier and TONS of power. I know that if you run different motors, you can probably find one that works well, but with the recommended setup, I would stick to the 6S.
Arch
01-24-2011, 12:15 PM
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RE: New Sebart Wind 50E
Rick,
I'm using the 16X12. I just played with the throttle curve to get what I want. I didn't like the 16X10 as well, and I have a 17X8 and 17X10 to try, but the weather hasnt cooperated.
Arch
I'm using the 16X12. I just played with the throttle curve to get what I want. I didn't like the 16X10 as well, and I have a 17X8 and 17X10 to try, but the weather hasnt cooperated.
Arch
01-24-2011, 12:37 PM
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That's a good data point. I'll let you know if I get around to trying the other props first. What brake %, if any, are you using? I'm at 10% but it's still picking up speed on downlines. Thanks as always.
Rick
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01-24-2011, 12:52 PM
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I'm currently running 30%. It's not bad in downlines, but it does speed up some. I think the most important thing in downline breaking is throttle management over the top of maneuvers. We are going faster than we realize if you don't start throttling back over the top of stuff and it just multiplies from there.
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02-03-2011, 04:51 AM
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RE: New Sebart Wind 50E
Hello guys,
I just wandered if anybody had experienced these "lift generators" on the landing gear digging into fuse? I heard from a friend it was observed after some time on his Miss Wind. I imagine that if the landings are on rougher grass terrain and the landing gear vibrate back and forth on landing it is possible.
For example we fly at relatively rough grass airfield. Wheels coming with the Wind are too small for it and would definitely get stuck and cause Wind to tumble over the nose, so I'm putting 6cm ones on, which means no wheel pants.
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02-03-2011, 05:28 AM
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Bane,
I fly the Angel which has a similar landing gear set up and I opted to leave the lift generators off for that reason. I have also noticed that over time, the bolts which hold the gear in place may loosen, so make sure to check them from time to time. I did end up using bigger wheels since I fly from grass but kept the wheel pants. I am just getting started in pattern, so to me, the plane without the lift generators flies just fine.
Teo
I fly the Angel which has a similar landing gear set up and I opted to leave the lift generators off for that reason. I have also noticed that over time, the bolts which hold the gear in place may loosen, so make sure to check them from time to time. I did end up using bigger wheels since I fly from grass but kept the wheel pants. I am just getting started in pattern, so to me, the plane without the lift generators flies just fine.
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02-03-2011, 10:18 AM
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RE: New Sebart Wind 50E
Yes the lift gernerators do dig into the body, it happened to my angel 30 and yes i am flying on a grass runway like you. we cut the grass every week but still it is too long for the tiny wheels that come with the set. there are also many microcracks on the pants too, You see when you land on grass the stopping force will slightly bend and bend the landing gear backwards so you get this symptom of the generators digging in it will stop when the contact surface between the generators and body is large enough to support the draging force. when i was building the angel i thick CA glued the whole surface of the landing gear to the generators i find it usefull because it makes the gear stronger and less likly to bend on a oops stall landing.
what else you can do is make a fiber glass/Carbon fiber landing gear which will not bend by the drag force, fiber glass for white and blue bodies and carbon for yellow black bodies. this way you will not have to worry about the digging in problem or a bent landing gear due to hard landing in a turbulent wind condition. hope this helps.
what else you can do is make a fiber glass/Carbon fiber landing gear which will not bend by the drag force, fiber glass for white and blue bodies and carbon for yellow black bodies. this way you will not have to worry about the digging in problem or a bent landing gear due to hard landing in a turbulent wind condition. hope this helps.
02-03-2011, 07:51 PM
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hi i too were at this cross road a few months back, to be honest with you i would not have gone with the miss wind biplane even if the wind 50 was not launched.
My friend had misswind biplane and what he said was
1 unless you are going to use another biplane to enter a contest then dont buy it because the biplane fly completly different to a monoplane, he always had monoplane and when he first went up with the misswind he nearly crashed because the stall speed and throws are way different, he pulled the elevator and the miss wind went into a stall spin.
2 it was in Taiwan with 35 degree C and he said unless you want to loss weight dont get the miss wind because it will make you work just to put the wings on, and when there are on and you are flying it there is a small voice in your heart praying that the securing bolts(threaders) dont come loss and the wings fall off.
3 more servos= more money and more possibility of one to fail with all that wire work you have to connect when you put it together before flight, one wrong and you will crash.
4 unless you are going to leave it in the club because taking it home is going to take time taking the wings off bagging them and oh dont forget the bits and bobs for securing the wings when you leave, they might not be here tomorrow.
My friend had misswind biplane and what he said was
1 unless you are going to use another biplane to enter a contest then dont buy it because the biplane fly completly different to a monoplane, he always had monoplane and when he first went up with the misswind he nearly crashed because the stall speed and throws are way different, he pulled the elevator and the miss wind went into a stall spin.
2 it was in Taiwan with 35 degree C and he said unless you want to loss weight dont get the miss wind because it will make you work just to put the wings on, and when there are on and you are flying it there is a small voice in your heart praying that the securing bolts(threaders) dont come loss and the wings fall off.
3 more servos= more money and more possibility of one to fail with all that wire work you have to connect when you put it together before flight, one wrong and you will crash.
4 unless you are going to leave it in the club because taking it home is going to take time taking the wings off bagging them and oh dont forget the bits and bobs for securing the wings when you leave, they might not be here tomorrow.
02-04-2011, 03:20 PM
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hi i too were at this cross road a few months back, to be honest with you i would not have gone with the miss wind biplane even if the wind 50 was not launched.
My friend had misswind biplane and what he said was
1 unless you are going to use another biplane to enter a contest then dont buy it because the biplane fly completly different to a monoplane, he always had monoplane and when he first went up with the misswind he nearly crashed because the stall speed and throws are way different, he pulled the elevator and the miss wind went into a stall spin.
2 it was in Taiwan with 35 degree C and he said unless you want to loss weight dont get the miss wind because it will make you work just to put the wings on, and when there are on and you are flying it there is a small voice in your heart praying that the securing bolts(threaders) dont come loss and the wings fall off.
3 more servos= more money and more possibility of one to fail with all that wire work you have to connect when you put it together before flight, one wrong and you will crash.
4 unless you are going to leave it in the club because taking it home is going to take time taking the wings off bagging them and oh dont forget the bits and bobs for securing the wings when you leave, they might not be here tomorrow.
hi i too were at this cross road a few months back, to be honest with you i would not have gone with the miss wind biplane even if the wind 50 was not launched.
My friend had misswind biplane and what he said was
1 unless you are going to use another biplane to enter a contest then dont buy it because the biplane fly completly different to a monoplane, he always had monoplane and when he first went up with the misswind he nearly crashed because the stall speed and throws are way different, he pulled the elevator and the miss wind went into a stall spin.
2 it was in Taiwan with 35 degree C and he said unless you want to loss weight dont get the miss wind because it will make you work just to put the wings on, and when there are on and you are flying it there is a small voice in your heart praying that the securing bolts(threaders) dont come loss and the wings fall off.
3 more servos= more money and more possibility of one to fail with all that wire work you have to connect when you put it together before flight, one wrong and you will crash.
4 unless you are going to leave it in the club because taking it home is going to take time taking the wings off bagging them and oh dont forget the bits and bobs for securing the wings when you leave, they might not be here tomorrow.
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02-11-2011, 11:56 AM
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Mine just arrived yesterday.. Consider me VERY impressed. This airframe is SO light, straight, and built solidly. Can't wait to get started on the assembly. Heading out to a motorcycle race weekend now or I'd be flying it by Sunday. Just isn't much to do!
It's amazing how far ARFs have come in the last few years.
It's amazing how far ARFs have come in the last few years.
02-13-2011, 12:23 PM
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RE: New Sebart Wind 50E
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02-14-2011, 04:19 PM
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Specs look pretty good, but I have no experience with it. Might be worth a tryon elevators. Iwouldn't use micro servos like these anywhere else though on this airplane.
02-14-2011, 05:09 PM
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Got to fly my Wind this last weekend. Wow, its awesome. I have ordered more batteries! The CofG was marginally forward, so I have fixed that. Lateral balance appears to be OK. There is a whole lot more checking to do, but it is so graceful compared to my Sequence. I am delighted with it. What a great flying plane
02-15-2011, 10:20 AM
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Hi to all builders
What do you make with the elevator tube. It does not fit. I think it is the tube. Who have the same problem, and what can i do. Not glue. Another posibility.
SR
andreas
What do you make with the elevator tube. It does not fit. I think it is the tube. Who have the same problem, and what can i do. Not glue. Another posibility.
SR
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02-15-2011, 10:28 PM
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Hi Andreas!
Can you clarify what you mean by the elevator tube does not fit?
There were a few posts earlier about some people having an issue with the stab tube being too loose a fit in the stab. One solution was to coat the carbon tube with a thin layer of CA. Ihad that problem too, really minor though. Or are you looking for a different solution? Ithink someone mentioned tape but in my case tape would have been way too thick. Other options:a)glue the tube permanently on both sides
b)maybe put in 2 sheet metal screws per side instead of 1.
Rick
Can you clarify what you mean by the elevator tube does not fit?
There were a few posts earlier about some people having an issue with the stab tube being too loose a fit in the stab. One solution was to coat the carbon tube with a thin layer of CA. Ihad that problem too, really minor though. Or are you looking for a different solution? Ithink someone mentioned tape but in my case tape would have been way too thick. Other options:a)glue the tube permanently on both sides
b)maybe put in 2 sheet metal screws per side instead of 1.Rick
02-15-2011, 10:59 PM
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Hi Rick
Yes you are right. I have the same Problems with the stab tube. I put a Tape around the tube, but the problem is the same. The elevator is on the front side shaky, (loose). In my opinion the Inside tube of the elevator is loose. What is your opinion. I can do 2 screws in the tube, like your tipp. Are the problems then gone. To glue the stab on both side is not a so good Idea. and will bring another problems. (Assembling and so....)
When the problems is only the too small carbon Tube, the second screw is the best solution. Thank for yourTipp.
Andreas
Yes you are right. I have the same Problems with the stab tube. I put a Tape around the tube, but the problem is the same. The elevator is on the front side shaky, (loose). In my opinion the Inside tube of the elevator is loose. What is your opinion. I can do 2 screws in the tube, like your tipp. Are the problems then gone. To glue the stab on both side is not a so good Idea. and will bring another problems. (Assembling and so....)
When the problems is only the too small carbon Tube, the second screw is the best solution. Thank for yourTipp.
Andreas
02-16-2011, 09:06 PM
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Hi Andreas,
Ireally think coating the carbon tube with a thin layer of CA is the best way to go. Iput down a drop or two right on the carbon tube and immediately spread it as far as it could go with my finger. It only covers a small area, so Iworked this way all over the surface from one end to the other. But do a small area, test fit, and keep going as needed. You could build up more than one layer if needed. But in my case only one very thin made the fit perfect. Ithink this is better than the other options... but you said you didn't want glue as an option... what do you think?Tape doesn't work so well, and the only other solution Icould think of is screws, but Ireally think the CAcoating will work great for you.
Good luck. It will be worth the effort, it is such a beatiful plane!
Rick
Ireally think coating the carbon tube with a thin layer of CA is the best way to go. Iput down a drop or two right on the carbon tube and immediately spread it as far as it could go with my finger. It only covers a small area, so Iworked this way all over the surface from one end to the other. But do a small area, test fit, and keep going as needed. You could build up more than one layer if needed. But in my case only one very thin made the fit perfect. Ithink this is better than the other options... but you said you didn't want glue as an option... what do you think?Tape doesn't work so well, and the only other solution Icould think of is screws, but Ireally think the CAcoating will work great for you.
Good luck. It will be worth the effort, it is such a beatiful plane!
Rick
02-18-2011, 02:29 AM
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RE: New Sebart Wind 50E
hi just wanted to ask whats the diameter of the push rod? going to buy ball bearings connectors before hand. and manualy make the double sided thread for the stock push rods
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Now that I see Banez's pictures, no, I only used the usable ball links that were supplied. I went with ball links on both ends and bought some threaded rod and cut to length.
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Did you use the kit supplied fixtures for attaching the pushrods to the servo. I think I will use ball joints, I don't like the idea of a threaded retainer being the bearing surface. Added to that you have to assume that loctite will keep the nut on the thread! Ouch I don't like that, but I guess it works?
Nosram
Did you use the kit supplied fixtures for attaching the pushrods to the servo. I think I will use ball joints, I don't like the idea of a threaded retainer being the bearing surface. Added to that you have to assume that loctite will keep the nut on the thread! Ouch I don't like that, but I guess it works?
Nosram
