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Pletti Extra 30-10 evo
Anyone had a chance to try the new Pletti Extra 30-10 Evo yet?
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The first production ones are to be shipped to Adam and myself tomorrow...so hopefully I will have one in a week or so.
I promise as soon as I run it to provide some commentary and comparison to the regular 30-10. |
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Sprink
Just got word that the motors shipped out today...so I should have something in a couple of weeks I figure. We have a contest on the 16/17...so hopefully I can try it out before then. |
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Mine is apparently on its way too but an impending house move is going to get in the way of trying it for a few weeks.
Malcolm |
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Do you folks have any specs on it yet? I'd be interested how it compares to the other outrunner options. Of course in-flight results will be even more interesting.
Jim O |
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Adam,
Ive got mine but won't be able to run it for a couple of weeks. Can you please confirm the correct timing (hard I presume) and switching frequency for my new Future 32.80KA ESC? Regards Malcolm |
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So far this year I've been running the Xtra 25-13 with the Fut 32.80ka. The settings are 1=ON, others=OFF. From what sense I can make from the Schulze manual these are the settings for the Evo, also. I'll run it tonight (motor mount was glued in last night and this morning).
-Adam |
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Malcolm
I run the same settings as Adam on the 80 and the 30-10 regular, as I did with the 55 and it works fine. I dont think the Evo is not different enough to require any changes in the esc settings. |
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Thanks guys
Malcolm |
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Well just got my Evo today, put on the connectors and did an intial run-up in the back. Will post some comparison pics between it and the old 30-10 later, I am off flying right now.
Old 30-10, 21x14 prop, TP 5300 packs... ~5550 rpm, 65A, ~2300W New 30-10 Evo 6150 rpm, 85A, ~3000W The draw with this prop is higher than I want, I will test out some others over the next few days. However, the increase in rpm is impressive. Compared to the old 30-10, the Evo did not even warm up during the ground run. Off to fly...more in a bit. Malcolm...my settings on the 80 were 1 ON, rest OFF.....red and blue wire backwards on controller to get the correct direction. |
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My comments on the motor!
For those that dont know what a 30-10 Evo is, its Plettenberg's latest offering into the F3A electric motor market, based on the 30-10 motor that we used last season. It was first discussed at the World Champs in France to take the existing motor and improve both power output and cooling. First impressions of the new motor is that it did just that! First thing is to give some reference numbers for the 30-10. As I was only able to test the APC 21x14 prop today thats all I will use for comparison. With the Thunder Power 5300 packs at about 25C the 30-10 would give about 5600 rpm at 64A and 2300W. The new 30-10 Evo gives the following at various pack temperatures tested today....all with the 21x14 and TP 5300 packs, all static results. 12 celcius pack temp, 5900 rpm, 72A, 2500W 25 celcius pack temp, 6200 rpm, 85A, 3000W 45 celcius pack temp (can be seen at the start of the graph attached, hope you can read it), 6500 rpm, 92A, almost 3500W! For reference, on the graph the blue line is pack temperature, black is pack volts, green is watts, and brown behind the green is amps. I flew three flights today, motor temperatures were about 10-15 celcius lower than what I would have normally got with the early 30-10 motor in these conditions. Increased cooling inlet and outlet area, as well as a new stator design that allows airflow in the core of the motor contribute to the lower operating tempertures. Very windy and cold so a lot of throttle was usually required with the old 30-10. With the Evo motor I flew the sequence at less than full throttle for nearly every manuver. From the graph it shows that I used for most of the flight similar power levels to the old motor, however on a few occasions when I needed more power it was able to deliver. There is no lack of power at all during the sequence now, in fact careful use of the throttle is required or it accelerates too fast. The most impressive part of the test, was the same rpm test I did. I ran the Evo up to the 5500-5600 rpm that I normally see with the 30-10. The draw from the Evo motor was only 50-52A, which is better than 10A lower than the 30-10 motor. So the motor is much more efficient at the partial loads, which helps to lower the temperature of the motor. At any rate I am very excited by the new motor, its way more than what I ever expected. Tomorrow I plan to test both the 21x13W and the 22x12. I think the Pletti's hit the nail on the head with this one! |
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Hello Chad,
That's really interesting! :) Thank you for the infos. Do you have numbers about the total consumption comparision after one P0.7 between Evo and normal 30-10? May be the 21x14 is a bit heavy for full throttle (92amps [X(]) but keeps an average low consumption with the big 14 pitch? Cheers, Benoit ORIGINAL: can773 My comments on the motor! For those that dont know what a 30-10 Evo is, its Plettenberg's latest offering into the F3A electric motor market, based on the 30-10 motor that we used last season. It was first discussed at the World Champs in France to take the existing motor and improve both power output and cooling. First impressions of the new motor is that it did just that! First thing is to give some reference numbers for the 30-10. As I was only able to test the APC 21x14 prop today thats all I will use for comparison. With the Thunder Power 5300 packs at about 25C the 30-10 would give about 5600 rpm at 64A and 2300W. The new 30-10 Evo gives the following at various pack temperatures tested today....all with the 21x14 and TP 5300 packs, all static results. 12 celcius pack temp, 5900 rpm, 72A, 2500W 25 celcius pack temp, 6200 rpm, 85A, 3000W 45 celcius pack temp (can be seen at the start of the graph attached, hope you can read it), 6500 rpm, 92A, almost 3500W! For reference, on the graph the blue line is pack temperature, black is pack volts, green is watts, and brown behind the green is amps. I flew three flights today, motor temperatures were about 10-15 celcius lower than what I would have normally got with the early 30-10 motor in these conditions. Increased cooling inlet and outlet area, as well as a new stator design that allows airflow in the core of the motor contribute to the lower operating tempertures. Very windy and cold so a lot of throttle was usually required with the old 30-10. With the Evo motor I flew the sequence at less than full throttle for nearly every manuver. From the graph it shows that I used for most of the flight similar power levels to the old motor, however on a few occasions when I needed more power it was able to deliver. There is no lack of power at all during the sequence now, in fact careful use of the throttle is required or it accelerates too fast. The most impressive part of the test, was the same rpm test I did. I ran the Evo up to the 5500-5600 rpm that I normally see with the 30-10. The draw from the Evo motor was only 50-52A, which is better than 10A lower than the 30-10 motor. So the motor is much more efficient at the partial loads, which helps to lower the temperature of the motor. At any rate I am very excited by the new motor, its way more than what I ever expected. Tomorrow I plan to test both the 21x13W and the 22x12. I think the Pletti's hit the nail on the head with this one! |
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Benoit
Yes I think that 85A is quite high and probably not the best for the batteries. The 21x14 was the only prop I had with me today, I will try the 21x13W, 21x12W as well tomorrow (or the next decent day). Both props should shave about 5A off the setup. As you can see the draw is very dependant on pack temperature! If the packs are warm though the power is unreal. Consumption for P-07 of the flights I did today was identical to the previous motor...however if you get carried away on the throttle it could be much higher! The 30-10 was good for 95% of the flight, and Evo actually draws less at similar rpm's....so its possible to use less...however I think that is offset by the few times that you want extra power and bring the power into the 70A+ range in flight for a few seconds. |
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Chad,
Great to hear of your tests so far, I am really looking forward to getting my Evo in the air. I am also encouraged that in terms of RPM, and current you are in the same ballpark as my 13 wind Hacker setup on the 21x14. Perhaps now is the time to air something that I have been thinking about for some time now. As well as our 13 wind Hackers, my flying colleague and I have also tried the 14 wind Hacker Comp motor and we have always felt it was lacking the 13 wind performance on all the props you have mentioned. Now what I find difficult to understand is how some people are actually using 15 wind motors on 22 x 12 and finding a) sufficient airspeed and b) sufficient ultimate performance to hold station in the wind. Perhaps the Scottish and Canadian air is more difficult than the rest of the world! Are you going to try one of your repitched props on the Evo? Also how do you get air into those big cooling inlets in the front of the motor with the spinner in the way? If more sizes of Freudenthaler blades were available I would be tempted to try Pletts spinner mounting arrangement. Cheers Malcolm |
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Hi Malcolm
IIRC the Matts were running the 15 wind and 22x12's in France, they flew slow for sure but seemed to cut through the wind as good as anyone else. I am not sure of the rpm they were getting on that setup though. Air in Canada :) Well its definately thin here in Calgary, all my numbers are at 3500' asl. At sea level I notice a small increase in draw usually, maybe 2-3A. I will try the repitched 21x15W, although my feeling is after seeing the numbers that it will be too much load. With the 30-10 it would spin the same rpm as the 21x14 but with about 3-4A higher draw....regardless, I know the motor wont smoke at 3000+W so I will try it and see :) There is way beyond sufficient power with the 21x14 (my Twister is 4930 grams so its not light), so I suspect that I will very likely go back to the 21x13W to reduce the load....as it will probably have plenty of power as well. That was the prop that the motor was designed around anyways. For spinners, if you want to get air into the motor and not use the folding prop setup, Great Planes as well as a bunch of other places make light aluminum backplate plastic spinners that you can easily cut a hole in the front of. Probably the cheapest, easiest way to get a lot of air in your motor. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXEBF0&P=7 |
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Great info! I can feel my wallet creaking open :D
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Just a late email with some more numbers of some various props,
APC 22x12, 5900-6000 rpm, 80-85A, ~2800W APC 21x13W, 6200-6300 rpm, 80A, ~2800W APC 20x13, 6500-6600 rpm, 75A, ~2700W APC 21x15W - custom re-pitched by myself, 6000 rpm, 85A, 2800-3000W. I also flew all and recorded the volts and amps in flight, the 21x15W and 22x12 hit about 85A peak draw in flight, the 21x13W and 20x13 hit about 71A in flight. These are all peak draw values, at no time did I actually *need* full throttle with the exception of the 20x13. I simply hit it so to speak to see what the results would be :) Of the 4, the 22x12 is by far the most powerful, it is in fact quite rediculous IMO, with the 21x15W and 21x13W only slightly less. The 20x13 is very fast, but still sufficient power to easily complete the sequence. Any of the props has plenty of power, I cant see the need for the big 22" prop at this point. Personally I think I will use the 21x13W as I feel it gives the best balance of power, speed, and battery consumption. The 21x12W may also be a very good choice, or possibly the 20x15, but I have yet to test either of those props on the motor. During all the flights the motor never exceeded 40 celcius, even at the high loads in flight! Off to bed :) |
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Great infos! [sm=thumbup.gif]
Thank you Good night Chad ORIGINAL: can773 Just a late email with some more numbers of some various props, APC 22x12, 5900-6000 rpm, 80-85A, ~2800W APC 21x13W, 6200-6300 rpm, 80A, ~2800W APC 20x13, 6500-6600 rpm, 75A, ~2700W APC 21x15W - custom re-pitched by myself, 6000 rpm, 85A, 2800-3000W. I also flew all and recorded the volts and amps in flight, the 21x15W and 22x12 hit about 85A peak draw in flight, the 21x13W and 20x13 hit about 71A in flight. These are all peak draw values, at no time did I actually *need* full throttle with the exception of the 20x13. I simply hit it so to speak to see what the results would be :) Of the 4, the 22x12 is by far the most powerful, it is in fact quite rediculous IMO, with the 21x15W and 21x13W only slightly less. The 20x13 is very fast, but still sufficient power to easily complete the sequence. Any of the props has plenty of power, I cant see the need for the big 22" prop at this point. Personally I think I will use the 21x13W as I feel it gives the best balance of power, speed, and battery consumption. The 21x12W may also be a very good choice, or possibly the 20x15, but I have yet to test either of those props on the motor. During all the flights the motor never exceeded 40 celcius, even at the high loads in flight! Off to bed :) |
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Chad:
Have you done any testing with the 20x15 prop ?? Met you at the Nats and was impressed with your Twister. I have a Prestige coming and was leaning towards the EVO so any information you have already gathered would be greatly appreciated. Is there any word as to when the EVO will be readily available ?? Ed M. |
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ORIGINAL: flht99b Chad: Have you done any testing with the 20x15 prop ?? Met you at the Nats and was impressed with your Twister. I have a Prestige coming and was leaning towards the EVO so any information you have already gathered would be greatly appreciated. Is there any word as to when the EVO will be readily available ?? Ed M. I have not flown since I got back from the Nats, maybe over the weekend. I have a contest next weekend so I will drop on the 20x15 and fly with it from now on to see how it works compared to the 21x13w. From the one flight I did with the 20x15 in Muncie I would say that it and the 21x13w would be my first choices in props. The only other prop I have not tried is the 21x12w and the 20.5x12w which may also be good choices. I spoke with Etienne at Icare when I got back and he is expecting the first shipment of motors hopefully next week. I am not sure how many will be in that shipment but should be enough to cover the intial demand I hope. |
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Thanks Chad. Forgive my ignorance but trying to absorb as much electric information as possible. Would it be possible to run the Pletty 30 10 EVO on a smaller prop, say a 19x12 at a higher RPM ?? I guess what I am saying is I don't understand the KV ratings and how they apply to motor / prop combos. Would the motor spin the smaller prop at sufficient speed to get good flight performance ?? I have yet to find a KV rating on the 30 10 EVO although the Plettenburg web site does show figures with a ?? 19x12 prop.
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ORIGINAL: flht99b Thanks Chad. Forgive my ignorance but trying to absorb as much electric information as possible. Would it be possible to run the Pletty 30 10 EVO on a smaller prop, say a 19x12 at a higher RPM ?? I guess what I am saying is I don't understand the KV ratings and how they apply to motor / prop combos. Would the motor spin the smaller prop at sufficient speed to get good flight performance ?? I have yet to find a KV rating on the 30 10 EVO although the Plettenburg web site does show figures with a ?? 19x12 prop. Ed M. The Evo is geared toward the larger props, the kV is 220, but it is also a lower pole count than the old 30-10 so that affects things as well. I have a 19x12w here, I can put it on this weekend and give it a run and see what it will do and let you know. My guess would be 6500+ ish, which would be a bit marginal in my experience. For smaller props I think the 20x13 is a nice choice....not the huge power of the big props but still very good and a lower draw on the packs as well. The website values are roughly 400-500 rpm lower than what I have tested when comparing at the same voltages....why that is I do not know. |
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Just had confirmation from Diana at Pletti that my motor and esc are in the post :D
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