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Hey everyone! I'm interested in buying my first heli. Any advice on what to get? I've been told to get one with counter rotating blades as it's easier to fly and told to get the lama v4 instead of the cx2. since they are pretty much the same thing with a different radio.

I've also been told not to go Counter rotating because it controls differently than one with a tail rudder. So I heard about the Falcon 40.

Anyways.. where would you guys suggest a beginner start?

Thanks for the advice!
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Welcome to wallet draining 101....hehehe
I started with the CX2 but out grew it very quickly!
The one Heli that I got really comfortable on was the Black Hawk 450 from Ka-planes. [link=http://www.ka-planes.com/black_hawk_helis_parts]Black Hawk Helis[/link]. It is RTF and they set it up for you so it is true ready to fly!
Great customer service and they ship fast!
For the price it is a very stable model and can do mild 3D if you want to go there...it is no stick banger but it can do loops and rolls very nicely.
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Welcome to wallet draining 101....hehehe
I started with the CX2 but out grew it very quickly!
The one Heli that I got really comfortable on was the Black Hawk 450 from Ka-planes. [link=http://www.ka-planes.com/black_hawk_helis_parts]Black Hawk Helis[/link]. It is RTF and they set it up for you so it is true ready to fly!
Great customer service and they ship fast!
For the price it is a very stable model and can do mild 3D if you want to go there...it is no stick banger but it can do loops and rolls very nicely.
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i learned alot with my blackhawk 450. you can grow with this heli very well. just remember to get training gears. and check out Radd's lesson on rotary flight. google it. patience and practice
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run, run as fast as you can... do not look back, do not buy a wallet draining helicopter

I started with a co-axial but that was just the hook that started the addiction, lol... I'd say if you are going to be grounded for winter buy a simulator, if not, go with a t-rex or clone of somekind.

oh yeah, spend money on it! don't shortcut, you'll regret it...

oh yeah, I'm with noobflyer on Radds, good stuff, sleep, eat and drink Radd's...
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[link=http://www.dream-models.com/eco/flying-index.html]RADD'S SCHOOL OF FLIGHT[/link] A simulator is a very wise investment....good thinking Stratcat! And here I am practicing on mine in between checking posts! LOL

I own the TRex 450 and a TRex 500...they are awesome helis!!!!! I would say if you are sure you are going to get into this hobby full bore....then go TRex. They are dependable, predictable, perform and are easy to upgrade and get parts for.

But..........if you are not sure you that you are going to stay in this hobby (it gets expensive real fast...just look at Noobs list of helis! ROFL) and want a starter that is a good performer for a reasonable price...then try out the BH 450. The nice thing about it is you have not put out too much $ if you decide this hobby is not for you...then if you stay and want more...you can sell it and/or upgrade.
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Thanks for the advice so far.. that's what I was thinking.. I did have a heli before. I had a Blade CP pro for about 2 weeks. I bought it and the training gears.. I ran it around for about 2 weeks. Go pretty good at hoverring it.

Then someone broke into my house and stole it along with 4 grand of other stuff.. but that's another story.

It's been about a year now and I spent about 400 bucks getting into it before.. and Just didn't want to spend that much money to start.

What do you guys think about the Walkera Dragonfly 1+B
http://www.xheli.com/new-walkera-7-c...pter-rtf-.html

It says it's normally $350 but on sale for $100.. is this a true estimate? or is this really just another $100 heli?
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Thanks for the advice so far.. that's what I was thinking.. I did have a heli before. I had a Blade CP pro for about 2 weeks. I bought it and the training gears.. I ran it around for about 2 weeks. Go pretty good at hoverring it.

Then someone broke into my house and stole it along with 4 grand of other stuff.. but that's another story.

It's been about a year now and I spent about 400 bucks getting into it before.. and Just didn't want to spend that much money to start.

What do you guys think about the Walkera Dragonfly 1+B
http://www.xheli.com/new-walkera-7-c...pter-rtf-.html

It says it's normally $350 but on sale for $100.. is this a true estimate? or is this really just another $100 heli?
that's just marketing. its not really $350. walkera are famous on making super cheap products that dont last. the electronics on it is real crappy. and you want to stay away from heli's that have tail motors. these motors burn out real quick and are a real PITA to replace. learning on a crappy helicopter really makes it difficult to learn. especially if you're spending more time fixing, chasing issues, replaceing, instead of flying.
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ORIGINAL: Edwinssiv

[link=http://www.dream-models.com/eco/flying-index.html]RADD'S SCHOOL OF FLIGHT[/link] A simulator is a very wise investment....good thinking Stratcat! And here I am practicing on mine in between checking posts! LOL

I own the TRex 450 and a TRex 500...they are awesome helis!!!!! I would say if you are sure you are going to get into this hobby full bore....then go TRex. They are dependable, predictable, perform and are easy to upgrade and get parts for.

But..........if you are not sure you that you are going to stay in this hobby (it gets expensive real fast...just look at Noobs list of helis! ROFL) and want a starter that is a good performer for a reasonable price...then try out the BH 450. The nice thing about it is you have not put out too much $ if you decide this hobby is not for you...then if you stay and want more...you can sell it and/or upgrade.
a simulator and Radd's makes a good combo also I'm a huge fan of my sim, I can destroy thousands of dollars in heli's and walk away laughing about it

oh yeah, I've got a collection, Axe CP, MX400, 2 flying T-rex's and probably two of the MX and Trex in spares...

dude, I'm not sure on your walkera choice... you get what you pay for man... go search for that model in the posts and see what everyone says about it.. isn't there a Walkera forum also? you'll get knowledge there.
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Thanks for all your advice guys.. I guess your right I really shouldn't go cheap on this. I'm determined to get into it as I've always wanted to. Just so many people have told me not to because it's "too hard" or "too expensive." Well it time to just go ahead and do it. I'm tired of just thinking about it.

I'm going to go with the black hawk 450 since it comes ready to fly and adjusted already. Then once I learn more and perfect it I'll move up. I imagine I'll get a nice collection of Helis as time goes on. Eventually I want to get into some gas powered ones. I'm reading RADDs now.. the guys seems to really know what he's talking about.. i'll follow his guide to learn to fly.

Thanks a ton guys.. I'll let you know how it goes when I get my copter in!
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If you really want to learn quickly then get a sim, it will save you time, frustration and money. you don't ever stop using a sim, even when you know how to hover, fly a T, do simple loops and rolls do you really want to practice a hurricane or tail slide on a real heli???
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Is there a certain SIM you suggest that I get?
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I have Real Flight G4...There are some other very good ones out there, even a free one that all you have to get is a cable for you transmitter to connect to the computer that people have raved about. Do a search and you will find plenty of info on them!
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Axel,

I'm running realflight 3.5, great software for what it is supposed to do. The models are great and pretty much realistic, so they feel almost the same as going out and doing it. I'd personally recommend that if your budget isn't that big right now, go with the simulator, I use mine a lot (after work for an hour a morning, before work for another hour, when it rains, snows or is too windy, or when I want to learn something new), when I was getting past hovering I was simulating for hours a day to get it right, besides you can learn nose in/out, etc on the sim, that's where I probably saved the most was different orientations on the simulator.

besides that, while you are learning on a flight simulator, you can save up for that nice shiney middle or top of the line 450 heli instead of havin to settle for something.

lastly, don't know how your winters are, but if they are cold, you are going to look at a lot of breakage just due to the parts being cold and brittle, you'll be grounded, the simulator will keep you advancing.

oh yeah, lastly (serious) the sims have lessons (basics to advanced)! I forget about these, but anyhow they do... the guy tells you what he's doin, you can see the sticks and all of that.. very cool, I started on the backwards rolling circle yesterday and I am damned glad I did it on the sim, I couldn't afford all the crashes (but some of them were cool)

and learning to hover the "yak" like a helicopter is super cool... now I can hover an rc airplane and I don't even own one

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Thanks for all your advice guys.. I guess your right I really shouldn't go cheap on this. I'm determined to get into it as I've always wanted to. Just so many people have told me not to because it's "too hard" or "too expensive." Well it time to just go ahead and do it. I'm tired of just thinking about it.

I'm going to go with the black hawk 450 since it comes ready to fly and adjusted already. Then once I learn more and perfect it I'll move up. I imagine I'll get a nice collection of Helis as time goes on. Eventually I want to get into some gas powered ones. I'm reading RADDs now.. the guys seems to really know what he's talking about.. i'll follow his guide to learn to fly.

Thanks a ton guys.. I'll let you know how it goes when I get my copter in!
A suggestion for you, since you mentioned that you plan on adding to your collection as time progresses.
For your next helicopter, try building a kit. One advantage that I have found, is if you built it, you know it.
I started with my first 450 as a rtf, and later found that they are really never rtf. When I had a really good crash, I had trouble pinpointing where a really bad vibration was coming from, and did not have a clue how to take the bird apart. My second and third heli's were Dragonus's. 1 NVII, and 1 Elite. Built them both from frame, screw, servos, etc. When I had a flip over crash, it was much easier to work on. Took about 20 minutes to change out a broken main shaft, and replace the flybar. About $4.50 worth of parts. The build experience was priceless.
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that's an excellent point.. ready to fly really meant taking the heli to someone and paying for a setup

that was the last time that happened, the next were kits, a bit intimidating at first, but well worth the satisfaction and knowledge gained
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Well I did it...

Qty. Name Product ID Price Total
1 Black Hawk 450 Ready to Fly 2.4g
BH450RTF 259.99 $ 259.99
1 E-Sky Simulator Set with USB plug & FMS software CD
EK2-0905A-2 24.99 $ 24.99
1 315mm Wooden Main Blade
EDN-1010 8.99 $ 8.99
1 Carbon Fiber Training Kit
TK002 16.99 $ 16.99
Sub Total $ 310.96
Shipping/Handling $ 22.50
Sales Tax $ 0.00
Total $ 333.46


I got the simulator (hopefully an alright one) and I got RADDs.. should have everything I need to get myself off the ground right?

I think i'll play around with the simulator quite a bit before even unpacking the heli.. then I'll follow RADDs instructions to a T. Thank you guys for your help.. now the crappy part is waiting That's the downside of ordering something off the net.. lol

After looking at hundreds of copters.. I think the black hawk was the best choice in the price range. I would have never known about it if not to you guys. so glad I didn't do this on my own and end up with some piece of junk!

Anyone order from ka-planes before? have any idea how long it takes for their "USPS quick ship." It doesn't list a time frame.
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I definitely plan on building a kit on my next one. I figured I'll learn a bit crashing and fixing this one
Once I get good at flying this one and feel i've mastered it. I'll start looking into my next heli and It'll be a kit for sure.
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My first 3 helis were RTF. With al the information and videos from Finless Bob......I never had any problems learning about the mechanics...there is so many helpful people here and on other forums...you can usually get answers with in minutes to problems....and watching the Finless videos is priceless
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Congrats Axel!!!!!!
I think you will have lots of fun with this addiction...I know I do!!!!!
I have loved building my kits....but it was lots of fun being able to start learning right away. The sims are to train your fingers the memory of what it is to fly....not the same as the real thing
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I figured that the simulator didn't feel quite like the same thing. I know that last time I bought my heli I was playing with the real flight simulator demo at the hobby shop, and it was nothing compared to actually flying. (feeling wise)

Your adrenaline gets pumping the first time you wind that baby up and it starts to lift off the ground. I read through RADDs last night and I realize how stupid I was the last time I tried to do this. I was using the training wheels and bouncing all over the park trying to learn to fly! I'm going to use RADDs methods this time and really learn how to control the thing! Once I learn to take off I plan on getting onto the sim and flying around before actually flying the heli. I flew mine around quite a bit last time with the worst crashing being breaking the blades, and that was because the stupid training gears got caught on something and the blade smacked the ground.
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Yea.....there is nothing the Sim can do to imitate the "pucker factor" when you have a stunt go bad and you are trying to save your heli from becoming pieces!!!!!
Unfortunately that is how my BH 450 met it's demise...I had just installed a new motor for it...I was in the middle of doing a FFF loop and I was not high enough when I came out at the bottom and ran smack into a chain link fence...I estimate it was probably around 45-50 mph when it hit...the frame did not survive. Lol
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well congrats man have fun with your new toy
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Thanks man.. and thanks for your advice as well.. Everyone here has been such a great help.
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you made a good choice in that helicopter. i do have a suggestion for you. after you learn how to hover with it your first upgrade should be a quality gyro like the gy401. the stock gyro will be ok till you get the hang of it. but when you install the gy401 on it the difference in tail holding power will be night and day. the transmitter that comes with it is fine since its 2.4g but make the transmitter upgrade to a fully programmable radio when you have the dough. in a event that you crash the helicopter upgrade the servos to hs65mg's. these will last much longer and since its metal gears the chances of stripping the gears will much less. yes playing with helicopters is totally expensive but its fun to the max.
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hey guys! Just thought I would update all you guys that helped me pick my heli! I got my blackhawk 450 about 3-4 weeks ago. I found another one a couple weeks ago on ebay for $125 bucks. a blackhawk 450 too with about $140 in extra parts. So I bought it just to have a second. Ended up giving the heli to my Dad because he's been playing on my SIM for weeks and is really into it.

As far as I go. I can hover tail in pretty well now. I can hover out a whole battery pack without crashing or landing. I just want to get a little bit more control in the wind before I move on to side in or nose in. I've been practicing nose in on the SIM and I'm doing very well at that. I did crash a few times, but luckily I bought lots of extra parts.

Only 1 really big crash, where I bent my main shaft, broke some teeth on my main gear, broke a tail rotor grip, and bent the shaft in my motor! Don't know how the motor shaft bent, it wasn't that big of a crash, the blades just got caught in the grass.

But it's ok, I have a scorpion 8 motor that should be here today, and everything else is fixed all I need is the motor! The good thing is, that I actually enjoy fixing the heli! So I can already tell I'm hooked into this hobby! I've totally broken the thing down to it's bare bones and put it back together already. So I'm no long afraid of repairing it. Makes flying it a lot less stressful, because I know if I crash I can fix it. I think that actually helps me not to crash!

Again, thank you guys! I love my blackhawk 450. I still think it was the best decision for a heli! My next heli will be a kit, and it may even be nitro. I wont get a new heli until I push this one to it's limits though. That means 3d. When I can 3D effectively without crashing... I'll start looking into my next heli. I'm just glad that I didn't get a CX as my first heli, or I feel like I would already be buying a new heli at this point.

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