Space Shuttle Depron RC Model - Scratch..
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am sort of Choked up and very sad that Space Shuttle Discovery, one of the best performing Space Shuttles and the one that Brought the Space Shuttle Program back on track twice after the two disasters will fly for the Last time very soon.
I bid God Speed and Blessings to her crew and one of them from Kennedy Space Center! What an honor it is to have someone that formerly worked at our Space Center and go fly Discovery for the Last time.
GO DISCOVERY! GO STS-133!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjTl8BPk7NQ&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]
I am sort of Choked up and very sad that Space Shuttle Discovery, one of the best performing Space Shuttles and the one that Brought the Space Shuttle Program back on track twice after the two disasters will fly for the Last time very soon.
I bid God Speed and Blessings to her crew and one of them from Kennedy Space Center! What an honor it is to have someone that formerly worked at our Space Center and go fly Discovery for the Last time.
GO DISCOVERY! GO STS-133!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjTl8BPk7NQ&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]
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Hey Guys!
Seems like someone over in WATTFLYER has successfully bought one of these Space Shuttle Models from Robert over at Electric Jet Factory (EJF) and has started his build process in the thread over at WATTFLYER!
Just in case some of you are interested in this model, EJF are selling these in limited quantities!
Ta Ta,
Carlos[8D]
Seems like someone over in WATTFLYER has successfully bought one of these Space Shuttle Models from Robert over at Electric Jet Factory (EJF) and has started his build process in the thread over at WATTFLYER!
Just in case some of you are interested in this model, EJF are selling these in limited quantities!
Ta Ta,
Carlos[8D]
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Hello Shuttle Fans!
I am building the same Shutle as Carlos. So far I have the wings on, the body has been filled with light weight spackel and sanded smooth. I also modified the 'hatch' so it fits better and mounted magnets. I have my radio gear and have ordered my EDF system and4S lipo.
I was looking for a little help in finding scale looking landing gear. It of course needs to be fixed. I've been searching but haven't found anything that jumps out at me yet.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Steve
P.S. I agree......GO DISCOVERY!
I am building the same Shutle as Carlos. So far I have the wings on, the body has been filled with light weight spackel and sanded smooth. I also modified the 'hatch' so it fits better and mounted magnets. I have my radio gear and have ordered my EDF system and4S lipo.
I was looking for a little help in finding scale looking landing gear. It of course needs to be fixed. I've been searching but haven't found anything that jumps out at me yet.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Steve
P.S. I agree......GO DISCOVERY!
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Hello Shuttle Fans!
I am building the same Shutle as Carlos. So far I have the wings on, the body has been filled with light weight spackel and sanded smooth. I also modified the 'hatch' so it fits better and mounted magnets. I have my radio gear and have ordered my EDF system and 4S lipo.
I was looking for a little help in finding scale looking landing gear. It of course needs to be fixed. I've been searching but haven't found anything that jumps out at me yet.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Steve
Hello Shuttle Fans!
I am building the same Shutle as Carlos. So far I have the wings on, the body has been filled with light weight spackel and sanded smooth. I also modified the 'hatch' so it fits better and mounted magnets. I have my radio gear and have ordered my EDF system and 4S lipo.
I was looking for a little help in finding scale looking landing gear. It of course needs to be fixed. I've been searching but haven't found anything that jumps out at me yet.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Steve
Welcome to RCU!
Mark (another Central Floridian who has this same model) and I experienced the hard way that if the Main Landing gear is not near the Center-Of-Gravity then, the model will be a good race car and will not rotate for take-off. One good sign is having the model sit on the floor fully flight ready and placing your finger on the top of Vertical Stab and try to push it down. If it takes lots of pressure then, it means that the model may not be able to rotate as the mains are perhaps too far behind the CG.
If you look carefully to what I did with my light and cheap main landing gear wire, you will see that I had to bend the wire forward. There is just no way to mount the mains at the correct location on the bottom of the wing because you run out of wing to place the mains where they really suppose to go.
Having some neat scale mains is good but, to have them placed in the correct setup so, the model can rotate is even better!

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Hello Carlos,
I have been reading and re-reading you posts (as my instruction manual) to build my shuttle. I did read about the gear in relationship to the C.G. and will make sure to check that out before Iselect a mounting area for what ever gear Iend up with. Ithink it was Mark that I sent a PM to. (haven't gotten a responce yet) I saw his photos of his shuttle and it looked so nice Ifigured if he has gear it would probably be close to scale.
Keep those flight videos coming...everytime Isee one it gives me more motivation! The Estes parachute is a great addition!
Take Care,
Steve
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Hello Carlos,
Keep those flight videos coming...everytime I see one it gives me more motivation! The Estes parachute is a great addition!
Take Care,
Steve
Hello Carlos,
Keep those flight videos coming...everytime I see one it gives me more motivation! The Estes parachute is a great addition!
Take Care,
Steve
Stay Tuned!
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Hi Carlos,
I am waiting for my 'powerplant' and a few different sets of landing gear. In the mean time I have installed the hinges into the elevons and I mounted the control horns onto the elevons. Like you Iused control horns that have back plates and will be mounting the servos into the bottom of the wings. Last step for tonight was to glue the elevon hinges onto the Shuttle wings.
How did your flight go with the parachute?
Steve
I am waiting for my 'powerplant' and a few different sets of landing gear. In the mean time I have installed the hinges into the elevons and I mounted the control horns onto the elevons. Like you Iused control horns that have back plates and will be mounting the servos into the bottom of the wings. Last step for tonight was to glue the elevon hinges onto the Shuttle wings.
How did your flight go with the parachute?
Steve
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Steve,
That looks great! Thanks for the update.
Did not make it to the high school band practice and trouble "is" that I am between RC Clubs in Orlando, Florida that has nice smooth Asphalt Runway. The one that you saw in those Videos really did not have smooth runway because this club was abandoned for 3 years and runway had been in disrepair. Some of us re-opened the RC Club early 2009 with the help of the new owner but, this new owner still wants to build new condos and reason for us not putting any $$$ into anything as the first thing that will go is the runway when they start building. I just got tired of this "building" over our heads and did not renew.
I am thinking of joining RCACF a few miles North as they have that RC CLUB on County Property (Dump) and they have a super nice smooth 700+ foot long runway and 50 Foot wide that I can take not only my Space Shuttle but, my Swiss Tiger 70mm EDF Jet by Starmax over there and have a very nice time with tricycle gear models.
The high school with the concrete band practice surface just has too many obstecles.
Hope you get your power system soon.
Carlos[8D]
That looks great! Thanks for the update.
Did not make it to the high school band practice and trouble "is" that I am between RC Clubs in Orlando, Florida that has nice smooth Asphalt Runway. The one that you saw in those Videos really did not have smooth runway because this club was abandoned for 3 years and runway had been in disrepair. Some of us re-opened the RC Club early 2009 with the help of the new owner but, this new owner still wants to build new condos and reason for us not putting any $$$ into anything as the first thing that will go is the runway when they start building. I just got tired of this "building" over our heads and did not renew.
I am thinking of joining RCACF a few miles North as they have that RC CLUB on County Property (Dump) and they have a super nice smooth 700+ foot long runway and 50 Foot wide that I can take not only my Space Shuttle but, my Swiss Tiger 70mm EDF Jet by Starmax over there and have a very nice time with tricycle gear models.
The high school with the concrete band practice surface just has too many obstecles.

Hope you get your power system soon.
Carlos[8D]
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I know how you feel with flying locations. For a couple of years I was bouncing from field to field (sports fields) and finally after being preempted by yet another sporting event I joined my local club. The 495th R/C Squadron in Tewksbury MA. I am about 20 minutes away (at 75 MPH!) but it is worth it to always have a place dedicated to just R/C.
Steve
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I installed the tube for the rear of the EDF. I also added two pieces of bass wood to screw the EDF onto. Originally I thought about mounting the EDF flush with the rear bulkhead but for two reason desided against it. One, Carlos moved his forward to get it closer to the CG and Two, I want to be able to remove it in the future if needed without cutting apart the rear of the shuttle. I also had to add some wire to the motor for it to reach into the 'payload bay' area.
I have some landing gear I think I'll be using. They aren't exactly scale but concidering I'll be taking off and landing on grass I think they will work out without looking too big for the overall look. At least the nose wheel has duel wheels.
Steve
I have some landing gear I think I'll be using. They aren't exactly scale but concidering I'll be taking off and landing on grass I think they will work out without looking too big for the overall look. At least the nose wheel has duel wheels.
Steve
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Did some work on the base of the main gear. I probably over engineered it but when mounting on foam I think more is better. First I cut the lower skin of the wing. As it turns out adding an upper layer to the wing worked out because it gave me extra room to install the base. First I added a piece of wood and epoxied it to the inside of the bottom skin. I used a Kelly clamp with a screw into the wood to hold the wood up against the inner wing bottom. Then I epoxied some thin plywood over that that piece of wood and over foam I had added as a rib for the wing. After that I added four pieces of carbon fiber rod to spread the load. I used a similar layout when adding retracts to my Parkzone T-28 and have had some 'firm' landing with that and it is still solid. Lastly I screwed in the base of the landing gear on top of the carbon fiber using some servo screws I had on hand. Later I'll fill in the carbon fiber slots with light weight spackel before painting. I moved the gear forward of the stock position to help with rotation at lift off. It had the added benifit of my carbon fiber overlapping one of the wing spars. I don't think this gear will be going anyplace....even with some of my landings!
I hope to get more work done this week to make up for the Holiday keeping me out of the workshop. Or maybe I should say "Vehicle Assembly Building"?
Steve
I hope to get more work done this week to make up for the Holiday keeping me out of the workshop. Or maybe I should say "Vehicle Assembly Building"?

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Making more progress today. Did the nose wheel base. Pretty much the same as the main gear. I wanted to be able to unscrew the base and drop the nose gear out of the shuttle if I ever have servo problems.
I haven't screwed it in yet because I have to wire up the ESC (deans connectors to battery) and then hook up the reciever to then center the servo for the nose. You can see in the photo the servo/gear mount that will be mounted servo side up in the inside of the nose.
Steve
I haven't screwed it in yet because I have to wire up the ESC (deans connectors to battery) and then hook up the reciever to then center the servo for the nose. You can see in the photo the servo/gear mount that will be mounted servo side up in the inside of the nose.
Steve

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I still have a lot of work to do but just for the heck of it I checked what I was pulling for watts after wireing up the ESC and reciever to center my servos.
With the 70mm Typhoon Brushless EDF 2W-20-75A Drive Set that I got from EJF.com and using a Hyperion 4S 2200 45C Lipo, charged to 80%, I got a static test of 874 Watts according to my Watts up meter.
I forget the watts to lbs formula but it doesn't seem like power will be a problem. The only problem I see is my thumbs!
I still have to glue the elevon servos in place now that they are centered. Install the nose gear guts then layout the ESC, reciever and Battery in the inside of the body while checking the CG. Then check my throws. After all that will come the paint and decals.
Steve
With the 70mm Typhoon Brushless EDF 2W-20-75A Drive Set that I got from EJF.com and using a Hyperion 4S 2200 45C Lipo, charged to 80%, I got a static test of 874 Watts according to my Watts up meter.
I forget the watts to lbs formula but it doesn't seem like power will be a problem. The only problem I see is my thumbs!

I still have to glue the elevon servos in place now that they are centered. Install the nose gear guts then layout the ESC, reciever and Battery in the inside of the body while checking the CG. Then check my throws. After all that will come the paint and decals.
Steve
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Today I got a lot done. Finished up mounting the nose gear. Had to make a mini-pushrod and center it before mounting. I do have it so I can unscrew it from the bottom incase I have a servo problem.
Made a 'floor' for the interior. I wanted to follow Carlos's example of the floor I made it with two angled sides to hopefully smooth airflow. Had the added benifit of hiding the reciever and servo wires. Both the ESC and the battery are held in place with industrial strength velcro but since I was paranoid of something getting loose and getting sucked into the fan I also added velcro straps. The floor itself is held in position with velcro and although the sides are a tight fit below the magnet supports I'll add some clear packing tape to the top of the sides. That way if I need to get to the reciever or connections I can remove the floor. I also wanted the ESC and battery to be in the airflow.
Tomorrow I will start to make the engine nozzles and mount the rudder, although I may save the rudder for last so it will be easier to paint the black details on it. After that it is just a matter of adjusting the elevon throws then start with paint and decals. The shuttle did come withself stick paperdecals but I have some self stick ink jet paper that becomes water proof after you print on it so I'll scan the decals and re-print them. I also have to make some more decals out of images from on line.
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Made a 'floor' for the interior. I wanted to follow Carlos's example of the floor I made it with two angled sides to hopefully smooth airflow. Had the added benifit of hiding the reciever and servo wires. Both the ESC and the battery are held in place with industrial strength velcro but since I was paranoid of something getting loose and getting sucked into the fan I also added velcro straps. The floor itself is held in position with velcro and although the sides are a tight fit below the magnet supports I'll add some clear packing tape to the top of the sides. That way if I need to get to the reciever or connections I can remove the floor. I also wanted the ESC and battery to be in the airflow.
Tomorrow I will start to make the engine nozzles and mount the rudder, although I may save the rudder for last so it will be easier to paint the black details on it. After that it is just a matter of adjusting the elevon throws then start with paint and decals. The shuttle did come withself stick paperdecals but I have some self stick ink jet paper that becomes water proof after you print on it so I'll scan the decals and re-print them. I also have to make some more decals out of images from on line.
Steve

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Did some work today to fix a problem I noticed with the nose gear. It had a little bit of play from side to side. The 'cheapo' mount only had one area holding the nose gear shaft so I added some epoxy puddy to the wooden base to help reduce the play in the shaft.
Started to work on the engine nozzles also. Following Carlos's idea of using water bottles for the nozzles I was off to a good start. Then I was thinking I'm going to have to cut and shape some foam to hold the nozzles in place. I had an idea, I had some elapor foam wheels that came with my Multiplex Gemini (I replaced them with real wheels) that have been sitting around. I'd never use them for wheels so I thought let me try them. Ended up being perfect mounts for the nozzles. The water bottle caps were even the same diameter as the wheel hubs I removed. All I had to do was sand the mounting side a little bit flatter and a great fit.
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Started to work on the engine nozzles also. Following Carlos's idea of using water bottles for the nozzles I was off to a good start. Then I was thinking I'm going to have to cut and shape some foam to hold the nozzles in place. I had an idea, I had some elapor foam wheels that came with my Multiplex Gemini (I replaced them with real wheels) that have been sitting around. I'd never use them for wheels so I thought let me try them. Ended up being perfect mounts for the nozzles. The water bottle caps were even the same diameter as the wheel hubs I removed. All I had to do was sand the mounting side a little bit flatter and a great fit.
Steve

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This shuttle has been a lot of fun. It is only the second r/c plane I've made that wasn't a kit or arf with directions. (thank goodness for Carols, Spaceshuttle1, killickb and everyone on the threads for their help and suggestions.)
Thanks to you Spaceshuttle1. If it wasn't for you we wouldn't have something to work on to keep the dream alive. I will for sure be interested in any future Shuttle kit you come up with.
I'm finally ready for paint. Only other thing I did aside from make the nozzels was to add a carbon fiber rod to the inside of the rudder. I know this is a draggy airframe but just incase my 800+ watts pushes this along faster than I expect I wanted to stiffen up the rudder. Plus, like the old "Grumman Iron Works" I have to beef everything up to put up with my flying abilities or lack thereof.
Steve
Thanks to you Spaceshuttle1. If it wasn't for you we wouldn't have something to work on to keep the dream alive. I will for sure be interested in any future Shuttle kit you come up with.
I'm finally ready for paint. Only other thing I did aside from make the nozzels was to add a carbon fiber rod to the inside of the rudder. I know this is a draggy airframe but just incase my 800+ watts pushes this along faster than I expect I wanted to stiffen up the rudder. Plus, like the old "Grumman Iron Works" I have to beef everything up to put up with my flying abilities or lack thereof.

Steve

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Steve,
Those wheels for the Main Engine mounts are terrific and look better than what I came up with, super!
Oh, and airspeed with lots of drag......remember that if you have a very draggy airframe the power to over come the drag when trying to fly faster goes up exponentially
One reason why I left in the mild 64mm EDF Power system from Freewing, as it was my goal to just fly the model in a scale "Slow" manner and that's it. However, I would love to see a Video when your's get airborne with that power you have placed in it.
Keep up the great work!
Carlos[8D]
Those wheels for the Main Engine mounts are terrific and look better than what I came up with, super!
Oh, and airspeed with lots of drag......remember that if you have a very draggy airframe the power to over come the drag when trying to fly faster goes up exponentially

Keep up the great work!
Carlos[8D]
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RE: NASA MEATBALL DECALS
Steve,
If you like to receive those NASA Meatball Decals then, just PM me or e-mail me with your address and I will ship you a few NASA Meatballs and especially those that I used on my Space Shuttle model. The Decals are from the Space Center where I work.
Carlos[8D]
Steve,
If you like to receive those NASA Meatball Decals then, just PM me or e-mail me with your address and I will ship you a few NASA Meatballs and especially those that I used on my Space Shuttle model. The Decals are from the Space Center where I work.
Carlos[8D]
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Thanks Carlos,
Those tires were a stroke of luck since I had them just laying around with all my spare parts.
Yes, I would like a couple of those 'meatballs'.....(I love italian food too!

I am not looking for super speed, I just hoped that the extra power would help get me out of trouble. I left the diameter of the exit tube for the EDF almost the same diameter at the EDF itself thinking that would give more thrust rather than more speed. But I have to confess this is my first EDF instillation that the exit diameter wasn't already set by the model maker.
Steve

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Steve,
The decals (Quantity 6 total), one tie pins, one jacket mission pin and a STS-133 Official Patch is all on me.
A little something for Good Luck on your maiden Flight.
Shipped "First Class" this morning at the Contractor operated USPS office at Kennedy Space Center, Florida.
I would hope you receive these items by Wednesday, December 8th.
Carlos
The decals (Quantity 6 total), one tie pins, one jacket mission pin and a STS-133 Official Patch is all on me.
A little something for Good Luck on your maiden Flight.
Shipped "First Class" this morning at the Contractor operated USPS office at Kennedy Space Center, Florida.
I would hope you receive these items by Wednesday, December 8th.
Carlos
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Carlos,
Thank you very much. I look forward to giving my Shuttle a true NASA touch before her first flight!
I sent you an email.
Thanks again,
Steve
Thank you very much. I look forward to giving my Shuttle a true NASA touch before her first flight!
I sent you an email.
Thanks again,
Steve
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Steve,
You are very welcomed!
Anyone that tackles this project will be included as an Honorary Member of the US Space Program and enjoy the few items I have included.
Regards,
Carlos
You are very welcomed!
Anyone that tackles this project will be included as an Honorary Member of the US Space Program and enjoy the few items I have included.
Regards,
Carlos
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I have an update, the Shuttle is all painted! Here are some photos.
Also, I got those decals today. Thank you very much Carlos!! The NASA 'meatballs' look great! I'll be putting them on the shuttle tonight or tomorrow.
I do have another bit of news. I got a "Raydiowarm" for my transmitter. It works great. I went out today to try it with my Parkzone T-28 and with an outside temperature of 26 degrees the only part of me that wasn't cold was my hands! Anyone in a cold climate that wants to extend there flying season it is a must! I wanted to try it out with the T-28 before using in on something as important as the Shuttle. I did modify it just a little bit. I epoxied a piece of stiff foam to act as a shelf and keep the transmitter from moving inside the raydiowarm. I will have to get some type of anti-fog cloth because the inside did fog a little bit but not enough to prevent me from seeing my transmitter. The only other mod I might do is something to raise up the clear plastic front. At times it would rub against the tops of my thumbs but over all I am delighted at how it worked. You do have to hike up your coat sleeves to about mid forearm to reach in enough but that is not a big deal.
I also have another Shuttle update: I did a taxi test today on my grass field. Like Apollo 13 I'd call it a 'successful failure'. I had no intention of flying the shuttle yet (CG is not perfect yet) and it is a good thing. During my taxi test the nose wheel shaft failed. No damage to the shuttle, I did not even scratch the bottom paint.
I thought that the only "weak" link in the entire shuttle was the nose gear. Last night I cut a "U" shaped groove into the bottom half of the shaft and added a piece of carbon fiber rod. Turns out it snapped about half an inch above the carbon fiber. I do have a nose gear with a metal shaft (and a shock absorber spring in it) so if I can cut that down I may be able to use that.
I'll keep the updates coming since my social life would put you to sleep!
Steve
Also, I got those decals today. Thank you very much Carlos!! The NASA 'meatballs' look great! I'll be putting them on the shuttle tonight or tomorrow.
I do have another bit of news. I got a "Raydiowarm" for my transmitter. It works great. I went out today to try it with my Parkzone T-28 and with an outside temperature of 26 degrees the only part of me that wasn't cold was my hands! Anyone in a cold climate that wants to extend there flying season it is a must! I wanted to try it out with the T-28 before using in on something as important as the Shuttle. I did modify it just a little bit. I epoxied a piece of stiff foam to act as a shelf and keep the transmitter from moving inside the raydiowarm. I will have to get some type of anti-fog cloth because the inside did fog a little bit but not enough to prevent me from seeing my transmitter. The only other mod I might do is something to raise up the clear plastic front. At times it would rub against the tops of my thumbs but over all I am delighted at how it worked. You do have to hike up your coat sleeves to about mid forearm to reach in enough but that is not a big deal.
I also have another Shuttle update: I did a taxi test today on my grass field. Like Apollo 13 I'd call it a 'successful failure'. I had no intention of flying the shuttle yet (CG is not perfect yet) and it is a good thing. During my taxi test the nose wheel shaft failed. No damage to the shuttle, I did not even scratch the bottom paint.
I thought that the only "weak" link in the entire shuttle was the nose gear. Last night I cut a "U" shaped groove into the bottom half of the shaft and added a piece of carbon fiber rod. Turns out it snapped about half an inch above the carbon fiber. I do have a nose gear with a metal shaft (and a shock absorber spring in it) so if I can cut that down I may be able to use that.
I'll keep the updates coming since my social life would put you to sleep!

Steve
