pjwright

I read in an old post that the PB-400 "can be converted to elect. ign. very easy".
Well ... my experience in this life is that nothing is "easy" ... but how difficult is it?
Recommendations on ignition unit source ... and perhaps actual experience with this flying doorstop would be appreciated.
Thinking of putting it in a Balsa USA 1/4 scale WW1 kit, where that 7 lbs might come in handy.
Thanks!
pjw

av8tor1977

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The Kioritz are very good engines, and it will be a lot lighter without the mag ignition. It would fly a quarter scale WW1 warbird easily! (I have a 23.6cc Kioritz in my 1/4 scale Fokker DR1 and it flies great.)

Try www.ch-ignitions.com

AV8TOR

pjwright

Thanks! I've been unpacking treasures I'd forgotten I owned - having taken a long hiatus from the hobby until retirement. There was also a little Kioritz PB-200 in the same box. All factory-new ... but technologically dated. They're heavy engines for their displacement, but should provide good service in stubby-nosed WW1 designs.
Ignition conversions sound like a good investment...

pjw

av8tor1977

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Check out this thread as well: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_12...page_38/tm.htm

Another ignition option.....

Have fun!
AV8TOR

pjwright

Well, I finally got around to calling CH Ignitions about the NIB Kioritz -- Terry said the one-off machine shop work would make the conversion prohibitive. Apparently the factory prop hub has to be removed, and the flywheel behind the hub (that currently fires the magneto) machined to accept a taper-keyed ignition timing device. The rest of the job sounded pretty straightforward ... but (what was my opening comment?) ... "nothing's easy" ...

[:@]

captinjohn

pjwright: If your engine has a stub shaft on backside...that would be a place to install a small hub with magnet for your electronic ignition. As for the front out-put shaft you could have a prop adapter made. Post a poto of that engine if you can. Capt,n

farley9n

Here are some pictures of PB 400's already converted......Bob

pjwright

You guys give me hope! Here are the images CaptinJohn requested. The front quarter image shows the magneto assembly (the goopy stuff on the carb is tape residue from the factory covering). The rear image shows the breaker points mounted on the rear drive shaft.
Your images appear to show the PB400 before and after, Farley? The middle image still has what looks like the original magneto beneath the flywheel. Whose conversion kit is that depicted in the right-hand image? Details?
Thanks!!

captinjohn

pjwright: The engine I see in the last 2 photos you sent, looks ready to go. I would put it on a test stand and see how it runs as is. If it will hand start ok, you would be wasting money on a electronic ignition. You may get a better transition from idle and no kickback with the electronic ignition...then it would be worth it. A good man like RCIGN1 could have that converted to electronic ignition in very little time...and running for you. I bet he would place pick-up on rear stub? Capt,n

pjwright

Thanks, Capt'n John ... my interest in the ignition conversion was purely for ease of starting. I've only run glow engines to date, and my reading on gassers is that a magneto system pretty much requires an external starter to get the revs necessary for spark. Otherwise, I suspect you're right ... this puppy would fire up today.
I'll drop RCIGN1 a note and see what his thoughts are.

pjw

mikenlapaz

I have mine sitting on the desk.
Trimmed off the rear of crank and the mounts for the ignition parts. The section of flywheel with magnets has been removed. The 1/2" section which fits the crank taper remains. There is sufficient space to install sensor pickup behind, the two tapped holes on the risers will provide mount. 4.5 lbs with factory carb insulator, WA55 carb and section that fits taper, no plug or ign parts. It is heavy but not 7 lbs. Figured it might mount to firewall with the 3 bolts holes on back of case.

If your building a twin and need another engine let me know , it sets in a box taking up space.

pjwright

Thanks, Mike -- that's a nice reduction in weight! As CaptinJohn suggested, I think I'll have the RCIGN guy install a CH ignition, and perform the kind of surgery you've described. And, no, the urge to build and fly a gasser twin hasn't hit me yet -- I may fall and hurt my head one day, and it'll seem like a good idea...

pjw

bdtsr

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If you are concerned about weight then go EI. If weight is not an issue, then leave it as it is. I have mine on my son's hovercraft (science fair project) and it is THE easiest starting non-EI engine I have. Choke it until your finger is wet, then flip a few times and it's running, that simple. Looks exactly the same as pjwright's does.

mikenlapaz

I bet he would install a CH ignition for you, but then you might miss out on his lifetime guarantee on the fine EI that he produces.
These guys for the CH ( http://www.ch-ignitions.com/ ) or PM Ralph for his ignition. (He can put it in a box for remote installation)

As pics show not much room in rear but lots of space where aft part of flywheel was located.

Antique

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I now use C&H circuits, same guarantee...

pjwright

Well, I got my PB-400 back from RC Ignition -- and Ralph did a fine job at a fair price. See before and after images below. Net weight savings nearly two pounds. Maybe the little PB-200 next??

captinjohn

pgwright: Boy...that sure is a nice job RCIGN1 done on that engine. You know there is other guys that can do this...but not as good as RC. I am going to send him one of my engines to do...just got to figure which engine first. Capt,n

pjwright

Yup ... he even to the initiative to built a new carb mount plate to flip the Walbro over, improving the throttle linkage alignment. The new one's white in the right-hand picture. Don't send him too much work, until we see if he can perform a magneto exorcism on the little PB-200.

pjw

flyboy_87

Hi,
I have a Kioritz GT200R weedeater motor and i was wondering if anyone knew where i could get conversion parts for them? the guy from wacker engines no longer makes partsfor them and so im just trying to find some partsso i can convert this motor.

Thanks,
Daniel

w8ye

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http://www.fpengines.com/html/13.htm

w8ye

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This is from Aviator1977

av8tor1977

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What do you need?

AV8TOR

flyboy_87

im looking for a prob hub assembly, a back cover to cover up where the pull start went and a new muffler.

Daniel

flyboy_87

thanks w8ye,

is that a kioritz motor in the photo with the wood prop?

Daniel

w8ye

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It is an ECHO but you will find that Echo and Kioritz are the same