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iflyg450 01-29-2009 12:58 PM

Is this engine anygood???
 
I saw this on the MECOA site for 39.00 its a MARZ - MAP3 .15 I was thinking of putting it in my sig shoestring C/L. I have never messed with Diesel engines. If its a good engine do you use pump Diesel??

gkamysz 01-29-2009 01:05 PM

RE: Is this engine anygood???
 
I've tried to get a sticky on this thread several times. The mods don't seem to think that the basic knowledge for diesel is important enough.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4853740/tm.htm

Jim Thomerson 01-29-2009 01:33 PM

RE: Is this engine anygood???
 
No, it does not use pump diesel. Read up on fuels and techniques here. The MAP3 can be a good engine, but quality is said to be variable. I would take it apart and make sure it is clean inside before running it. I had both diesel and glow versions. They ran well on the bench, but I never flew them.

gcb 01-29-2009 04:32 PM

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I saw this on the MECOA site for 39.00 its a MARZ - MAP3 .15 I was thinking of putting it in my sig shoestring C/L. I have never messed with Diesel engines. If its a good engine do you use pump Diesel??
You can not use pump diesel. I would suggest commercial model diesel fuel, at least until you learn to run diesels.

I have two MAP3 diesels. The one with the natural aluminum fins needed some "tweaking" to run. It had a bind that I fixed by adding a thicker backplate gasket.

It has a muffler which I removed and reinstalled upside down to maintain tolerances during break-in. This allowed easy exhaust primes during break-in.

When I first started it there was almost NO compression. Instructions said to move the contra piston down until it just touched the piston at TDC, then back off 1/2 turn or so. It worked. The engine started and compression increased for the first half dozen short runs.

I initially used a 9x4 nylon prop which the MARZ handled well, even though it is a rather short stroke engine. After a dozen or so heat cycle runs it is ready for a plane. It runs good and starts easily. What more could you ask for.

George

colingw 01-29-2009 05:35 PM

RE: Is this engine anygood???
 
Here's a great article on the Marz, including some of the problems they can have :-
http://www.modelenginenews.org/ad/marz.html

I have two of them, one is a very early serial number (931) unmodified one - came with original Soviet box, instructions, etc. and is the one I've run. It needed to be cleaned of swarf before running. Compression is beautiful - as good as any other diesel I've run. Its performance is similar to my CS Olly or a good PAW 249. For bench running, a Taipan 9x4 seems to be ideal.

My other one is the Australian modified variant with the muffler. (The muffler, and the glow versions were a mod by the Australian importer of the Marz - if you see either then you know you have a Marz that has been down under). I haven't run it yet.

I see no reason why the Marz wouldn't be a perfectly acceptable 2.5cc sports diesel, and for the price was good value. I haven't flown mine yet, only bench run it.

cheers,
Colin

merugo 02-05-2009 04:46 AM

RE: Is this engine anygood???
 
one marz left me with the crank apparently fatigue broken in the same way as described in the reference. It happened on a new engine after only 2 hours of bench running and actually the crank went into two pieces while hand starting!
ugo


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