The honda clones are exact,I see them at work all the time,no parts!! sometimes when I am supposed to be fixing YOUR lawnmower I google the mfg on the engines,weird stuff!

They were supposed to be as one of the conditions for the manufacturing contract. During the term of the contract they were wrapped in Honda clothes and sold as Honda's. There was some serious QA work being performed by Honda techs during the term. They either met the requirements perfectly or they didn't travel.

But once the contract expired........ You don't do business with China manufacturing with any expectations of retaining any intellectual property or manufacturing rights. Especially if you had something good to begin with. Just a den of thieves.

Just wait till that huge note they are holding on us comes due.

The latest http://www.flymodelworld.com/products/detail/655.html

- so now they are back to 2 letters in their name

Same old off the shelf bits from the major supplier - nicely tumbled then plated crankcases - probably decent enough performers while they are running. These are covered in a lot of the other brands listed.

Meanwhile decent people go out of business because of the selling techniques used by these "manufacturers".

Also the listed 55 is only a 50. It uses the old DL-50 jug.

The XL isn't new at all, I recycled one about a year ago.

1. 3MM Now TMM (Three Mountain Motors)
2. Aerovate (Same as RCGF)
3. CRRC
4. B&D
5. DJ
6. DLA (made by Feio Model)
7. DLE
8. DM (made by SV)
9. DMSS
10. DZY (Taiwanese??)
11. ET
12. TL (made by RCGF??)
13. GRPro
14. HH (another ZJ engine - same origins as RCGF)
15. JBA
16. JC (made by SV - rebranded??)
17. MLD (same source as SPE??)
18. MT
19. NGH - (Jinzhou Linghai Guanghua Ngh Technica) NEW
20. Peak
21. Pte (Pterodactyl ) - another SV engine
22. RCG (same as RCGF)
23. RCGF(ZJ Consortium??)
24. Red Lion (SV origins??)
25. REV (Same engine as JC Engines)
26. SE (same as DLA) NEW
27. SPE (Same source as MLD??)
28. SV
29. TGY (Turnigy? A rebrand of FTL??)
30. Turnigy? (TGY - HH, FTL, RCG)
31. XL
32. XYZ
33. YDA (made by SV for JC Engines for RC Aero??)

Line most all of them engines up like bowlling pins...then get your favorite bowlling ball out and have at it !

Capt,n

Tuangou group buying power may interest some of you as far as Chinese engines go?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuangou

1. 3MM Now TMM (Three Mountain Motors)
2. Aerovate (Same as RCGF)
3. CRRC
4. B&D
5. DJ
6. DLA (made by Feio Model)
7. DL / DLE
8. DM (made by SV)
9. DMSS
10. DZY (Taiwanese??)
11. ET
12. TL (made by RCGF??)
13. GRPro
14. HH (another ZJ engine - same origins as RCGF)
15. JBA
16. JC (made by SV - rebranded??)
17. MLD (same source as SPE??)
18. MT (Tomy Chen)
19. NGH - (Jinzhou Linghai Guanghua Ngh Technica) NEW
20. Peak (RCGF/RCG??)
21. Pte (Pterodactyl ) - another SV engine
22. RCG (same as RCGF)
23. RCGF(ZJ Consortium??)
24. Red Lion (SV origins??)
25. REV (Same engine as JC Engines)
26. SE (same as DLA) NEW
27. SPE (Same source as MLD??)
28. SV
29. TGY (Turnigy? A rebrand of FTL??)
30. Turnigy (TGY - HH, FTL, RCG)
31. XL (DLE clone)
32. XYZ
33. YDA (made by SV for JC Engines for RC Aero??)

I know this is not RC related but talk about cheap China made engines.

A friend of mine bought one of the China made about 2000 watt generaters that sell for about $300.00.

Has a seal leaking and I broke it down today, 4 Stroke with cam, The cam has no bearings or bushings, Just rides in a machines part of the cast aluminum, Now dont you know you will get a lot of hours out of this thing. LOL

Plus there is nothing to hold the seal, Can install it from either side so it is just floating around, I think that is why it was leaking, It was half way out of the crank case when I took the case apart.

Milton

Well China got some money for that neat Generator! HA!

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I have had the GX31 www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7869275/anchors_9177383/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#9177383

here is one for yua,i got a DLA56 that had the shakes. then i started to look at the prop hub while turning it and you could see high and low spots.so i orderd a hub for a DLE55,because i didn't know for sure that i would get a good one from DLA.anyways the hub bolted rite on, just like it was made for it,timing included was spot on.
i know this is no news to some of you,i just thought i would pass this on.
also that took care of the shakes,and it turns with in a hunderd rpm's as my well broke in DLE55.

1. 3MM Now TMM (Three Mountain Motors)
2. Aerovate (Same as RCGF)
3. CRRC (Shenzhen Boran Imp. & Exp. Co., Ltd.)
4. B&D
5. DJ
6. DLA (made by Xian Fei ao Model)
7. DL / DLE (Mile Hao Xiang Model Technology Co., Ltd)
8. DM (made by SV)
9. DMSS
10. DZY (Zhejiang Shengqi Motion Apparatus Co., Ltd.) This company is a specialist in making knockoffs of everything imaginable.
11. EME (DLE Clone)
12. ET
13. TL (made by RCGF??)
14. GRPro
15. HH (another ZJ engine - same origins as RCGF)
16. JBA (Xiangtan Jiangnan Model Engine Co.,Ltd )
17. JC (Shenzhen Feixiang Industry Development Co., Ltd. )
18. MLD ( Same as SPE,Shenzhen Feixiang Industry Development Co., Ltd. )
19. MT (Tomy Chen)
20. NGH - (Jinzhou Linghai Guanghua Ngh Technica)
21. Peak (RCGF/RCG??)
22. Pte (Pterodactyl ) - another SV engine
23. RCG (same as RCGF)
24. RCGF(ZJ Consortium??)
25. Red Lion (SV origins??)
26. REV (Same engine as JC Engines)
27. SE (same as DLA) NEW
28. SPE ( Same as MLD, Shenzhen Feixiang Industry Development Co., Ltd.)
29. SV (Hangzhou SV Industry Co., Limited)
30. TGY (Turnigy? A rebrand of FTL??)
31. Turnigy (TGY - HH, FTL, RCG)
32. XL (DLE clone, Senye International Trading Co., Ltd. )
33. XYZ (Quzhou Jinnuo Machinery Co.,Ltd)
34. YDA (made by SV for JC Engines for RC Aero??)

I went to DLE's website today and noticed this "© 2010-2011 Hobbico®, Inc. All rights reserved." in the lower left hand corner of the page.
Did Hobbico buy DLE after all?

That's a Hobbico site, the DLE factory site is here;

http://www.dlpower.net/index.asp

Ah, OK.

It would do DLE (the mfg) a world of good to get someone to better present their web pages,
than what Hobbico/Tower Hobbies (a vendor) does.

This does not look good to me folks. Below is a artical I found...China is going to control the market on every made product in the world...with the cheap workforce that have on hand. NOT GOOD AT ALL.



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Teledyne Continental Motors has been sold to Technify Motors, a subsidiary of AVIC International, a Chinese government-owned holding company with diverse business interests in the aerospace sector. The sale price, according to AVIC and Teledyne Technologies, was $186 million, and terms of the sale included a commitment to remain in Mobile, where Continental has been on the former Brookley Air Force base since the 1960s.</p>

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The sale will result in an infusion of new capital to rapidly develop the diesel technology Continental bought from SMA last spring, for both the Chinese and the international market, according to Teledyne's Jason VanWees, Teledyne Technologies' vice president for business development. He said that once the sale has cleared regulatory hurdles, it should become final by the end of the first quarter of 2011. Until then, Teledyne will continue to oversee TCM.</p>

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VanWees said Tuesday that AVIC executives met with Mobile city officials recently and committed to keeping TCM on its large Brookley site, where it shares a complex of former military facilities with a number of aerospace companies on what is now Mobile Downtown Airport. He said AVIC is also impressed by other business interests in Mobile, including a potential EADS plant to build A330 tankers for the U.S. Air Force and an expanding ThyseenKrupp steel mill.</p>

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Although TCM's business has fallen off dramatically since 2008, it has remained in the black, but only through aggressive cost control. TCM's sales represent only a tiny fraction of Teledyne's $1.8 billion in revenues but, according to VanWees, as the corporate parent has acquired more technology companies, aerospace manufacturing is not considered its core competency.</p>

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Of the 34 acquisitions Teledyne has made, most are in the electronics and instrumentation segment, with a smattering of defense-related businesses.</p>

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"You have to have an international strategy. We're not an aviation company," VanWees added. He said that with its extensive business relationship with companies like Boeing and Honeywell, AVIC represents a much better fit for TCM.</p>

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One immediate goal, says VanWees, is an infusion of capital to rapidly develop the diesel technology TCM bought last spring from SMA. Although no one is sure of the timing, the Chinese general aviation market is seen as a significant growth opportunity, and the diesel engine could be pitched into that market in the two- to five-year time frame.</p>

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"We've been talking to the OEMs, and most of them would like to have a diesel engine," VanWees said. As for keeping the plant in Mobile, VanWees said AVIC has made a strong commitment to do so.</p>

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"This is Chinese ownership, no doubt. We've got a great low-cost lease at the former Brookley. How are you going to build a fully FAA-certified manufacturing facility in China? Why do that?" he said.</p>

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VanWees told AVweb that the current TCM management team will remain in place and that neither company expects any changes before March and perhaps not after that, either.</p>

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Although capital will spur the diesel development, VanWees said TCM will continue to face the challenge of high-mix, low-volume manufacturing because the stability of the business depends on the legacy aftermarket. But the growth will likely come in the international market with new products.</p>

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"I don't think the plant is ever going to look like a car plant, where you have only a bunch of robots touching things," VanWees said. Nonetheless, TCM has invested in new manufacturing and quality control technology and is expected to continue to do so.</p>

I hope Lycomings stay safe as my main 2 full sized planes are powered by those (Variants of the IO540's). the 3rd has a Gypsy Major in it.

Just because they intend to keep a facility, doesn't mean they will keep it as a primary facility.

Continental has had a (components) plant near to Tanggu for many years. It is not very far from the Boeing plant (components - not full aircraft) and only about 30 minutes (or less) drive from the Airbus plant (complete aircraft) at Tianjin airport.

Why is it a surprise? The chinese mkae more BMW's in China than they do in Germany. Audi, MG, Buick, GM, Chrysler, Ford - all in the same boat. They are close to putting a man on the moon (remember when the US did that?. they have more nuclear reactors than bears thinking of, they have made their own airliners, made their own fighters and are aligned with some major US enemies such as The Norhtern Koreans. They are also buying up agricultural and Resource companies and land at an enormous rate of knots.

We only have ourselves to blame - we are paying them to take over the world and they are obligingly doing so.

The blame goes to our ridculus leaders here in the USA. Not the average citizen. If tarriffs would have been raised on all the tons of imported junk....that taxmoney could have been used to build up our own factories. Just think of the tax dollars that could have been used to modernize faster and we would have kept more jods here in the US. Instead we give out billions to help other contries that turn around and take advantage of us. It is truly sickining......................................... ......................

We are too afraid we are going to hurt someone's feelings.
Anyway why do the politicians care? They get their fat paychecks and fat pensions no matter what we think or what the consequences are for America.