Sorry Lanny I ment 4.6 to 4.9 volts after 3 or 4 flights, DON'T go lower than that!

Real Pilots beware.

Every week I go flying I see or learn something new. I have heard many stories of pilots getting into this hobby thinking they can fly rc planes with no prior experience because they fly real scale airplanes but never experience it until today. I was out at me locate field flying having fun with my P-51 and PZ Typhoon. A new guy came out and also had a Hanger 9 P-51 he received as a Christmas gift. I was given him some pointer about the plane since I had mine for 2 months. I also offered the guy my buddy box to use with his instructor, but denied my offer. His reply was he did not need a buddy box as he fly real scale planes so it should be easy. I expressed the importance of using a buddy box as RC plane fly and handle much different than the real thing and it easier than passing the transmitter back and forward. New Guy “That’s ok I should be fine, but thanks you.� Well the flight instructor took the plane up for the median flight to set the trimming. After the trimming was set the new guy wanted the transmitter. The flight instructor told him it should be best to use a buddy box so if he gets in any trouble he is able to help him. New guy insisted on getting his hand on and wanted to fly. Instructor hand him the transmitter and not even 20 sec. later the plane was nose in the dirt. New Guy that reply o well I guess I stick to the real thing.

Moral of story. RC planes fly different than real planes and given if you are an experience pilot with the real thing does not mean you are able to fly RC plane if you don’t have the experience. Thing to remember, you crawl before you walk, you walk before you jog, and you jog before you can run. Newbie learn to crawl first, and that would keep us all safe.

I always wonder if you change your batteries to a higher voltage and ma. do you need to also get a new charger? with higher ma and volts? and do you have to charge the batteries for a longer time period? I have replace the 600ma with 700ma, but don't know if I need to do more, notice that the servos moves faster with higher voltage something like between low rate and high rate. My Avistar has been converted to a 5 cell with now higher voltage, and moved back near the stabs to balance it without adding weights.
Just something to think about.

roltech

Roltech: You don't need a new charger, And if you change over to NIMH the battery gonna say you
have to use a NIMH charger ONLY............. BS I just charged my 2300ma reciever and 2800ma
transmitter battery on the trickle charger I got with my Nextar a year @ a half ago.And there both
NIMH ( All I USE) I asked my LHS this and verified it Through someone at a RC convention we hade
here in Ft Worth, who was selling an assorment of batteries. I use a quick field charger now and then
but if I want a good deep charge I use a wall trickle charger over night. as I said above with that kinda
MA's I can fly ALL DAY without recharging!!!!! (6TO7 hours with 4 to 5 flights an hour) You won't notice
that much more endurance with just 100 more MA or speed or torq, you get those through Volts. Just
in case I called HORIZON 1st because I've never owned JR and yes you can put a 6 volt battery in your
MUSTANG. To see a BIG difference go to at least 1500 ma and 6 volts THEN you'll notice it

That guy deserves a pie in his face. Luckily no one got hurt due to his arrogance.

Ah, not really sure what you're saying there. I THINK you're saying that you can use the 60-70 ma wall wart charger that came with your entry-level radio to successfully charge 2000+ mAh batteries.

This is NOT true. Yes, you're getting some charge in there. But you'll be nowhere near the capacity of the battery (no matter how long you leave it connected), and it will not last much (if any) longer than the low-cap battery that came with the set-up.

Yes, you can use a "regular" ni-cad charger to charge NiMN batteries; as long as you stay on C/10 rate. If you try to quick-charge a NiMH battery on a ni-cad charger, you will fry the NiMH battery due to differences in the peak detection slope.

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Yes Mr. Campbell I'm using my "wall wart" charger, I'm using a Futaba model # FBC-19B(4) "wall wart"
plug in charger. It's output is 70ma for a 9.6 volt (Transmitter) and 100ma for a 4.8 volt (Reciever)
That IS what I'm saying and it is TRUE! My Tx battery is FULLY charged at 11.5 volts and my Rx battery
is FULLY charged at 6.9 volts. I assure you when I say I can fly " All Day" I'm talking 15 to 20 Flights
AT 12 to 15 mins. per flight, and my Tx is at 9.8 to 10.0 volts, and my Rx is at 6.1 volts!! Your not
going to get that out of any 600ma battery. When I use my Quick Field Charger MkII ( HOBBICO)
I set it at 0.2 amps,It charges them, but not as fully as my wall charger. This IS TRUE! I've been using
the same 2300ma batteries in the same 6 Airplanes for over a year now, flying 2 to 3 times a week
each plane has it's own battery, and my transmitters been using the same 2800ma battery,without
a hint of trouble. THIS IS TRUE. I surely don't mind being corrected,And I'm sure I still have many
more things to learn about this Hobby.But this particular topic I'm positive about. I have 17 mos. of
experiencing this (again 2 or 3 times a Wk) to back it up. YES Mr. Campbell thats what I'm saying and
it IS TRUE !!
THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY..........RICK

Thanks Rick good info: goes to show that you can't listen to everyone, looks like you've done your home work. although I was not too concern as I always bring a few planes when I'm out there, and by the time you take turns you've just about had it for the day.
Happy New year

roltech

Sure Roltech, thats what this thread is for, thats why I ask you and others so many questions on it.
I have plenty more to learn and this is a great place to do it! Been reading RCU for some time now
but only recently logged on and got into some discussions. you were right about everything to expect
with the P-51 PTS, Now I have Two in my Hangar, finished "fixing and modifying" mine yesterday and
went to the airfield this morning, WAY to windy to maiden for ME, 15 mph gusting to 25-30 mph so I
just fired her up and did some break in and some high speed taxing. Getting 11,800rpm w/11x6 APC
I'm kinda excited about flying this one, I put in a HITECH Rx I had in another plane and I'm using my
Futaba Tx. Nothing wrong with the JR Tx that came with it,I just wanted to stay with as few Tx's as
possible. and I wanted to see how this plane handled set up with EPA,D/R and Expo, mostly with the
Expo. I've got a feeling she's gonna be even sweeter Have you been flying lately? Not sure how
your weather in Canada"s been? Hoping to hear from Lanny2003 to see how his 1st flight went today!
Can you believe patzane's story about the guy who "KNEW"what he was doing, what a moroon!
Anyway Happy New Year to "YA'LL"!!! From TEXAS.... And Lets All Have Great Flights in 2006

RICK

I'm in mid Canada, approx one hour from US border. the temp hear is just about freezing to same below freezing snow on the ground
but melting some days. I've been too chicken lately to fly but with all the going on (holidays and so), did not get a chance to fly,
last year before my wings I went as often as possible even in freezing weather. Yes I've been keeping a eye on Lanny2003 too.
About patzane's story! we had a similar thing happened hear in the past but he admitted that it looked easier to fly then a full scale.
I thing though he got his wing last summer and funny thing he got himself a Nextstar to start all over. Nice guy get's along with every one here.

roltech

No battery probs here, luckily. Got 7 or 8 flights today. A bit windy and cloudy again, but temperature was near 70 deg F by 10:30 this morning.
Here's some more pics of mine and a club mates Christmas present.

I wish! here temp was -5C. but good for you.

roltech

What size motor did your friend have in his good looking Mustang?

roltech

Stallwart, which one is yours? If its the red tailed one, what did you do to change it to red?
I like it! Your gonna like this little plane the more you fly it. I got my son one for Xmas, and
flew it a couple times and went back to get my self one as well! I've been flying a Patty Wagstaff
Extra 300 w/ a Zenoah G62 lately and I still thought this plane was a Blast to fly! Good Luck and
Enjoy!

RICK

P.S. The only problem with batteries I ever had was with small ones (600 mAh)

Roltech: we hit 82 in Ft.Worth/Dallas area, 28 degrees above normal! -5C...NO THANKS

82 my lord! the only thing good about -5C it gives some an excuse to drink something to thin the blood, better flow the warmer you are!

roltech

They're both powered with the stock Evo .455. Yes, mine has the red tail. When I first started flying it in September, there were so many others in our club, I was afraid of the "shell game" effect in air.
I roughed up the ultracote on the tail surfaces, masked (with the low stick blue masking tape) and painted with Krylon. The Krylon paint I used is especially for bonding to plastic, but I can't tell any difference to other Krylon spray paint.
It is a blast to fly. It gets a little squirrely if the wind is high and gusting because it's such light airplane. My friend decided to forego flying today due to the wind.
Taking off the air brakes and wing droops, retracting flaps, and adding the 2-blade make this thing fly great and today it was an attention getter. Some guys at the field were surpised it is (err....was) a trainer.

Stallwart: The red looks KILLER on it! How does that paint hold up to Glow fuel?
Do you know who the "RED TAILS" were during WWII? hint......ALABAMA!
What? If any differences were there without the NACA Droops? My son has'nt
taken them off yet, and I have'nt maidened mine yet, no bad surprizes I hope!
I worried about the "shell game" also. All I did was remove the big Q on the tail
and put a large Red stripe on both the vertical and horizontal stabilizer, both sides.
and removed all the HORIZON kiddy looking stuff IMHO. You and I have the same
taste in what a War Bird should look like! I hope the winds are down tomorrow,
I want to see how it flys without everything on it.

THANKS, RICK

Maiden flight of my P-51 today went great. The plane has plenty of power (2 blade 11x6 prop). Speed breaks off. Flaps used for take off and landing. Next flight I plane to remove the wing droops.

I helped a friend fly his P-51 today too (buddy box). His plane was still stock. Could tell a big difference in speed. It was great for a trainer.

I do have one problem with the landing gear. The field we use has a culvasac for take off not good for landing in due to high curbs. So we land in the grass.

One of my landing gear came loose. The block that the post goes into came loose. I can fix it with minor surgery and a little epoxy. Has any one else had this issue?

I love this plane.

Congratulation lanny2003, yes the landing gear is a issue, I did not have any problem with them yet but I should do something to lessen the problem. I don't remember what is done to resolve this but I'll have to look at it again. I often land on the grass we have a paved runway but our grass in summer is as good as the paved runway, was today a windy day?

roltech

Lanny; ditto on your maiden flight, glad it went well! I did notice one of the landing gear on
my second P-51 was a little loose compared to the other side and the ones on my sons plane.
Let me know what you did to fix it please. I may do something like it as a preventive measure.

RICK

Olstoney: I was reading some of your old post about all the work you had to put into this
plane to make it right! And your right where is the QC! The difference between this plane
and my sons was tremendous, actually I had to do a lot of things to his too, but nothing
compared to what was wrong with this plane.Even the flap servo hole was too small for
the servo to fit into!.... Wings would'nt slide all the way together,Radiator scoop has 1/8
gap all the way around it etc,etc....... I understand that 4:30 on Fri. afternoon thing. If
your new to this and it does'nt look right, it probably is'nt. Get someone with more
experience to look at it!!!! Or ask someone on this thread! it could be a 399.00 question!

Rccrippen, the paint holds up pretty well against fuel, providing you let it cure for a week or two. It doesn't hold up to dings that well and will peel off if you put stickers on and try to reposition without using soapy water, etc. to "float" them on.
The red was picked to match the original spinner, which I've replaced; I wasn't really trying to emulate a Tuskeegee model. I searched for P-51 units with red tails and invasion stripes, but couldn't find any, so off came the invasion stripes.

With the droops off, rolls are more axial, loops are a bit wider, turns are more scale like, speed is slightly increased, and more speed is needed on landing (haven't used the flaps since it's been so windy at our field for weeks). Oh yes, I took the weight off the engine and replaced with a new prop drive hub and 1 oz. prop weight since the batteries are as far forward as they can be, and I didn't want to add lead weights to maintain CG.

Lanny2003, I've had some issues with the landing gear, too. The blocks are just too small and need additional points for gluing in place (IMO).

There's another thread on here by a guy who's added retracts to the PTS. I hope he follows up.

Yup, that's right. You guys have fun...

Ok, well it only took me two days to read this enitre thread, wow lots of posts.. My plane has never been flown yet. Checked my wheels, a little wobble, could use some smoothing out. Haven't checked the servos' in the wings yet but plan on giving them a little insurance epoxy. Also be checking out motor mounting bolts and securing them. Going to install the flap servo, why not? Foam rear wheel does suck. On the battery issue, is the current battery that uderpowered, I run digital cameras with almost five times the power and I don't have to worry about my camera's falling from the sky if they're drained. Someone should post a list from a-z on starting from worst to least on the issues that need to be addressed with this plane before flying. Other than the basic set up. I'm talking things that NEED to be looked at. Well I have all winter (live in Minnesota) to wait and tinker with the plane so it I have the time to remedy any issues. In the mean time I have a bunch of motion activated camera's to build, for my hunting obbsesion, and there seems to be enough snow around here now to test the new 160hp motor I dropped in my snowmobile late last season. This looks like a great site for a newcomer to this awesome obbsesion and this thread alone has opened my eyes, quite a bit!! I'm sure I will still go crash and burn a few planes on my private strip before I get serious and try to find an instructor for the p51. Now one of you more knowledgeable guys on this plane start that fix-it-list!!!! I want to thank roltech for getting me rolling in the right direction on this. THANKS!!!!!!

Oh yeah, one last thing. Any good reading for new comers that may help me understand this rc flying better.