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Old 11-11-2020, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Carlo Vangompel
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I want to use a Futaba SBS 01 TE sensor but I do not know where and how to mount his on the engine.
Any suggestions?

Carlo
It looks this sensor is only for electric motors. Limit temp is only 125 celsius. Anyway sensor mounting point should be on the back of top cylinder, between its ribs, in vicinity of exhaust.
Old 11-22-2020, 12:58 AM
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I made a mistake, The sensor is SBS-01T and has a max. temperture of 200° Celcius.
I moiunted it on the back side of the cylinder between the ribs and fixed it with high temperature silicon

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Old 11-23-2020, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Carlo Vangompel
I made a mistake, The sensor is SBS-01T and has a max. temperture of 200° Celcius.
I moiunted it on the back side of the cylinder between the ribs and fixed it with high temperature silicon

Carlo
Please share your temp readings during flight.
Old 11-23-2020, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Carlo Vangompel
I made a mistake, The sensor is SBS-01T and has a max. temperture of 200° Celcius.
I moiunted it on the back side of the cylinder between the ribs and fixed it with high temperature silicon

Carlo
I appreciate if you share your temp readings during flight.
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Is it worth buying the ring muffler vs using the stock flex tubes?
Old 12-05-2020, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by airborn900
Is it worth buying the ring muffler vs using the stock flex tubes?
It depends on what you want to hear in an exhaust tone. The flex tube exhaust sound has a throaty tone. The Keleo exhaust ring has a throatier tone combined with a slight growl. Both exhaust systems work great, it just boils down to what the owner wants to hear on a full throttle flyby.
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thank you. Can smoke be set up on the Keleo ring? How about the stock flex tube?

Originally Posted by ForcesR
It depends on what you want to hear in an exhaust tone. The flex tube exhaust sound has a throaty tone. The Keleo exhaust ring has a throatier tone combined with a slight growl. Both exhaust systems work great, it just boils down to what the owner wants to hear on a full throttle flyby.
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The Keleo exhaust ring has a nipple that can be used for a smoke system to be connected as can be seen in the attached photo. With the flex tube exhaust you would have to engineer your own custom made smoke system hookup.
Old 12-05-2020, 08:44 PM
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My Keleo exhaust ring did not come with a smoke niple . I purchased a kit from Bad dog smokes to install one though.

https://baddogsmokes.com
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airborn900, the attached video shows two TF FW-190s with an FG84R3 and a FG90R3 installed. The FW-190 with the red rudder has the Keleo exhaust ring installed on the FG84R3. The other FW-190 with the yellow rudder has the stock flex tube exhaust installed on the FG90R3. If you listen closely you will be able to tell the difference between the two exhaust notes/sounds.

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Here is a picture of one of our members G90 after the first, short, flight. Self explanatory




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Old 12-08-2020, 08:28 AM
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What size prop was being used that allowed the engine to over rev??
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I think he was using the prop size suggested in the engine manual, rpm on ground was 5200 or 5500. I did not look at the tach. Oil was 15 to 1, failure was one of the slave rods galled the master rod steel pin. What was really striking was that it broke the end off the crank shaft crank pin. You can see that about half of it is missing, I have never seen this type of failure before. The engine was blueprinted, Saw similar damage to a g60 that was over revved by one of our members four years ago.

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Old 12-08-2020, 09:27 AM
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not much oil too see......
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oil was drained before taking picture, but I tend to think 15 to 1 with no bushings or bearings is too high, 10 would be better, but messy. I went back and looked at crank to make sure the crank pin end was gone, looks like half the pin is gone. I could not find any pieces of it in the engine so I am stumped as to what happened to it.
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I looks extremely dry . The crank pin is a pretty shade of blue also .
Old 12-08-2020, 10:09 AM
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The inside of mine.......

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I agree, don't know what brand of oil he used but he was using suggested ratio. This is one of the new series 90's with the improvements. I just don't like running a gas engine with plain bearings or steel on aluminum. Glow works because we use such a high ratio of oil.
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Originally Posted by larry@coyotenet
I think he was using the prop size suggested in the engine manual, rpm on ground was 5200 or 5500. I did not look at the tach. Oil was 15 to 1, failure was one of the slave rods galled the master rod steel pin. What was really striking was that it broke the end off the crank shaft crank pin. You can see that about half of it is missing, I have never seen this type of failure before. The engine was blueprinted, Saw similar damage to a g60 that was over revved by one of our members four years ago.
When you state "the engine was blueprinted", are you saying the engine was modified by Ray English?
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Hi All,
As suggested on here I have baffled my Waco and so far its dropped the top cyl as well as the bottom cyl temps dramatically, it even runs cooler than if i flew with the cowl off.
Saito really need to state in the manual that the motor should be baffled.
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Originally Posted by su27flanker
Hi All,
As suggested on here I have baffled my Waco and so far its dropped the top cyl as well as the bottom cyl temps dramatically, it even runs cooler than if i flew with the cowl off.
Saito really need to state in the manual that the motor should be baffled.

I agree . For what we pay for these things they should also include a diagram of at minimum the basic baffling layout .
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Originally Posted by CK1
I agree . For what we pay for these things they should also include a diagram of at minimum the basic baffling layout .
Absolutely, if they included a template we could go and get it laser cut making the process so much easier.
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Adrian at CH ignition sells the baffling so it is available at your expense. At 1500.00 an engine Saito could provide a 5 cent paper template , but I guess the liability would be just too much .
Old 12-08-2020, 02:29 PM
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Here,here
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yes, but I don't know what he does or if it had anything to do with failure.
Larry


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