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Old 10-04-2005, 10:09 AM
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Glenn,

STOP putting pictures of those Mustangs up here! I may just have to start saving my pennies for one of those inline twins Bob mentioned to put in a great big Mustang. Hmmmm, now what can I sell to start filling that piggy bank. A few years ago I had a World Models GS Mustang(much smaller than yours), and way before that I had a Byron's Mustang, but I was never really very happy with those.
Old 10-04-2005, 12:43 PM
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Nice work! Would be really cool to take a P 51 ,like that size, and modify it into a Reno type setup, and prop for speed[>:] If only I had unlimited funds
Old 10-04-2005, 01:12 PM
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Modified P51 Miss Ashley..289cc, 27 pitch prop, 220+ mph radar verified Cost ? You don't want to know
Old 10-04-2005, 01:17 PM
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THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!! Would love to get out and watch the races, to far south for me, maybe one day[8D] Is that yours!

By the way was on the Taurus sight again, the new 107 can turn a 26-8???????? A little conservative maybe!
Old 10-04-2005, 02:39 PM
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The new "Proto Type" TAURUS, 107B2 TWIN ENGINE," has not even been tested. or even underwent any final tuning it may require before it is released. I'll be putting one on a new project of mine just as soon as the cleanup on the "Casting's" are completed. Only then, can we begin to see what it's performance with any given Propeller might be.. All new engines take time to "break in," and this is an entirely new engine design. Spectulation right now about which "PROP" will give "WHAT RPM,"... is just that, "PURE SPECTULATION." But, one thing you can be sure of.......As with all Taurus engines, You won't be dissapointed in this one. Stay tuned.
Old 10-04-2005, 06:34 PM
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Which cylinders/pistons are on the 107? Makita/Mahle, Husqvarna, Taurus, or????
Old 10-04-2005, 06:48 PM
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They are "TAURUS. They are designed by Taurus, and produced to their specifications. by MAHLE. As a matter of fact, most the cylinders you named are also produced by Mahle.
Old 10-04-2005, 08:59 PM
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They are "TAURUS. They are designed by Taurus, and produced to their specifications. by MAHLE. As a matter of fact, most the cylinders you named are also produced by Mahle.
Really? So Taurus purchases a different 52cc cylinder/piston than Fox, Brison, or Makita?
Old 10-04-2005, 09:28 PM
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They are "TAURUS. They are designed by Taurus, and produced to their specifications. by MAHLE. As a matter of fact, most the cylinders you named are also produced by Mahle.
Really? So Taurus purchases a different 52cc cylinder/piston than Fox, Brison, or Makita?

Ok, tell me Diablo, what difference does it make if they have Tinker Toy cylinders if they run fantastically, are smooth, powerful and are one of the most reliable motors out there? In other words, what's your point?
Old 10-05-2005, 09:17 AM
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Some things are not meant to be "common knowledge" some are not. after all, there are TRADE SECRETS you know. As bpryor, said,"what difference does it make". The fact is, (TAURUS) surley must be doing something different than the other MFG's you named because Taurus engines run so much better. This thread is not meant to BUILD the Taurus engine. It's merely meant to see how many negative comments owners of the engines may have and would like to share.
You didn't mention if you have ever owned a Taurus, or even seen one being used by someone else. If you've had no experience with a Taurus engine, this thread is not meant for you. If you have owned one, and have had a bad experience with it, let everyone know about it. That is the "topic" of this Thread.
On the other hand, if all you want to do is quibble about something so insignifficent as to "who supplys a MFG'rs PARTS, I suggest, how am I suppose to know? I neither work for "TAURUS" and I certainly had no part in the design of the engines. The truth is, all I really care about is the "END PRODUCT."
I suggest you read some of the other "Threads," on this site, or any other site, relating to MFG's engines and the related problems that are associated with them. Those are the engines one might be better off concerning themselves about which parts are being used in them. I would also suggest that if you are unhappy with the engines you are now useing, "TRY A "TAURUS," You'll be happy with it and you won't have to worry about which cylinder and pistons are being used in them. The only thing you'll have to worry about is that one day you may have replace the piston ring, (if you live long enough) and no I don't know who makes the "RING."
Old 10-05-2005, 09:33 AM
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One thing I added for very smooth throttle responce in the two mustangs using the 4.4's. I'm using Snake-Drive on the carburetor with a CS-12 Hobbico high speed micro servo.

Bill the two Mustangs are short kits from Fardon Model Products .. Now out of business.. but are much alike the Eagle Model products. One is all Flight Metal and the other is painted, 100" ws and 31 & 33 lbs. No lack of power w/ the Taurus's for sure'.. Glenn M.
Old 10-05-2005, 10:01 AM
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Those "Mustangs," are really beautiful Aircraft. It's always nice to have something that draw's all the attention at the flying field and I'm sure your Mustang does. What "Prop" are you useing, and what's the weight? If I'm lucky, maybe one day you'll bring it to "Tripeltree"
Old 10-05-2005, 10:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: G McIntosh
Bill the two Mustangs are short kits from Fardon Model Products .. Now out of business.. but are much alike the Eagle Model products. One is all Flight Metal and the other is painted, 100" ws and 31 & 33 lbs. No lack of power w/ the Taurus's for sure'.. Glenn M.
Thanks Glenn, I'll check them out.
Old 10-05-2005, 04:54 PM
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They are "TAURUS. They are designed by Taurus, and produced to their specifications. by MAHLE. As a matter of fact, most the cylinders you named are also produced by Mahle.
Really? So Taurus purchases a different 52cc cylinder/piston than Fox, Brison, or Makita?

Ok, tell me Diablo, what difference does it make if they have Tinker Toy cylinders if they run fantastically, are smooth, powerful and are one of the most reliable motors out there? In other words, what's your point?
The point is that Bob said there was a new 107 in development that used cylinders designed by Taurus. There is a big difference in "designed by" and "used by". If Taurus didn't design it, then it's not their design. The cylinders/pistons on a two-stroke are the most important aspect of the engine when it comes to determining the power output. The cylinders contain the ports, which determine the gas flow velocity, intake, transfer and exhaust duration, squish geometry, compression ratio, spark plug placement, and tuning response with the exhaust system. The reason I wanted to know who designed the cylinders is because I simply wanted to know if Taurus was optimizing cylinders/porting by designing their own for r/c. There are other manufacturers that started up using common cylinders for industrial applications and adapted them to r/c. Some have decided that they can make a better engine for r/c by designing their own cylinders with the parameters optimized for r/c. It isn't voodoo or magic, it's engineering.
Old 10-05-2005, 05:23 PM
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It isn't voodoo or magic, it's engineering.
Absolutely right, and it's the results that really matter, isn't it, not who made the cylinder, or if it was an original design, old design, shared design, whatever. I'll say it again, the results are what matter, and Taurus has proven over and over again that they match or exceed the performance in all aspects of the manufacturer's that are building their own cylinders. I would love to see some actual data indicating that these manufacturer's have achieved a superior engine "by designing their own cylinders with the parameters optimized for r/c". From the RPM numbers I've seen posted on this and other forums, the Taurus is right in there with the engines that have cylinders specifically designed for R/C.

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Come on Diablo, That's not why you wanted to know. If you read your on Thread you'll see where you seem to know everything there is to know about the design of the Taurus engine. Let me say this.....If you were to take 5 different cook's, and give all the same ingredents they would come up with five different tasting dishes. The same is true with gas engines. Even if all engine MFG's used many of the same parts, the engines would still be different from each other, because there is much more to building an engine than just the pistons, and cylinders. Your assumption that the Cylinder is the most important part of the engine, ( when it comes to power) is incorrect. If that were true, tell me why so many people are complaining about everthing except the cylinders in their engines? Have you ever tried running your engine without the carburetor, or the innition, or any one of a multitude of the parts it take's to build an engine. If not, try leaving one of those parts off and see how much power you get without it. The truth is, no single part of an engine is more important to the function of said engine than the next part. (if you expect it to run that is) Finally, it's dosen't matter who made the parts. or where the parts were made. What matters is how were the parts assymbled, what tolerances were acceptable in the assymbly, how many bearings does it have, where are they used, how is the crank made, what is the stroke, what's the compression, and most important, HOW DOES THE FINAL PRODUCT COMPARE TO IT'S COMPITITION . As for the "TAURUS" I say, "QUITE WELL". Which Taurus engine have you had experience with, and what problems did it have? Since that was the perpose of this Thread, I think you should tell us. Or, is it possible that maybe your Taurus had another name on it. Diablo, I have always belived that if you let someone go long enough, you'd find out exactly where they were going. Sadly for you, I'm afraid it's no where. You've lost all credibility with me and I'm sorry to say "your comments are no longer of any value to this thread."
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As I stated earlier in a post, my experience with taurus engines is limited and I stated that it was the smoothiest running engine I had ever saw and that was probably taking liberties with the english language and giving a broader definition to smooth than other people would. Now when I say smooth I meant really all the characteristics of the engine that I observed, idle,transition, power,weight and vibration. Now there may be some other engines that are a little better at some aspects but when I am evaluating an engine I'm really thinking about all characteristics. As I said before I don't own a taurus, I own brand X, but to me the bottom line no matter how it's built, who it's built by or who supplies the parts, it's all about performance and with my limited experience with the taurus engine I still say it impressed me. Now maybe it was Bob that set his engine up perfect. He can do that or maybe it's the engine it's self. I would also like to thank Ralph for his comments on his ignition. This hobby could use more people like Ralph Cunningham or Chris Henson who won't supply an inferior product to the public. That tells me when I buy a product or service from them I will be getting what I paid for. Okay Bob can I fly your Yak again?
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OF course..........You can fly my old "REJECT YAK", (249.00) with the Taurus engine on it, while I fly your "EXTREEM" YAK," 630.00with the DA 50 on it. or maybe I'll fly your "PATTI" with the DA 50 in it. Whoa is me......what to do, what to do.
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you got it
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It isn't voodoo or magic, it's engineering.
Absolutely right, and it's the results that really matter, isn't it, not who made the cylinder, or if it was an original design, old design, shared design, whatever. I'll say it again, the results are what matter, and Taurus has proven over and over again that they match or exceed the performance in all aspects of the manufacturer's that are building their own cylinders. I would love to see some actual data indicating that these manufacturer's have achieved a superior engine "by designing their own cylinders with the parameters optimized for r/c". From the RPM numbers I've seen posted on this and other forums, the Taurus is right in there with the engines that have cylinders specifically designed for R/C.

So Bill, you really believe that the new Taurus 107 will be a superior (more powerful) engine to a DA-100, 3W-106, ZDZ-100, or BME-110? Sight unseen and using industrial cylinders - if that's what it really has. And you base this superiority on careful assembly and or blueprinting? I can't wait for it to hit the street so we can see the hard data.
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Bill never said he beleived the new Taurus 107 would be superior to the DA< BME or any other engine. How could he when it hasn't even been produced yet. But if it follows in the pattern of the other Taurus engines, I would be very suprised if it wasn't. How about somthing positive for a change.
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So Bill, you really believe that the new Taurus 107 will be a superior (more powerful) engine to a DA-100, 3W-106, ZDZ-100, or BME-110? Sight unseen and using industrial cylinders - if that's what it really has. And you base this superiority on careful assembly and or blueprinting? I can't wait for it to hit the street so we can see the hard data.
What Bob said.
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Hi BIll,
Do you know if a Taurus 3.2 cylinder and piston are intercangeable with a standard Sachs parts? Has anyone taken the time to document the timing of the Taurus? I think that this is where you would see any differences, other then compression ratio and plating. I need to record the timing on my 3.2 myself. It would be interesting. I think I know about what are without looking.

Dave
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OK I checked with my agent -I can get this thread on Oprah -but it is not nasty enough for Jerry Springer or some of the other shows
Dr Phil asked "whuts n engyne? So he's out too- Still workin on "who put the overalls in Mrs Murphy's Chowder--
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Hi BIll,
Do you know if a Taurus 3.2 cylinder and piston are intercangeable with a standard Sachs parts?
Hi Dave,

I don't have any idea. You'd have to ask Bill at Taurus. I imagine there's some cylinder that would interchange, but who knows what Taurus does to the stock one, so I don't think I'd do it without taking a lot of measurements first.

Dick,

Are you going to be our impartial(?) representative on the show?

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