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Old 10-12-2006, 05:18 PM
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I am an ANTI-Velocity Stack BIGOT........ I do not "believe" in them, and do not USE them, and EVERY ONE of the Brillelli's I've had run just dandy without it (forgive me, Scott). Mixture tends to have to be a little leaner without the stack, but they start and run FINE.
Old 10-12-2006, 07:04 PM
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V-stacks are sort of black magic, they work great on some combos, terrible on others and on some all they do is help keep the gas dribble of the fuse side.
Old 10-12-2006, 07:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: aerobob

I am an ANTI-Velocity Stack BIGOT........ I do not "believe" in them, and do not USE them, and EVERY ONE of the Brillelli's I've had run just dandy without it (forgive me, Scott). Mixture tends to have to be a little leaner without the stack, but they start and run FINE.
Bob, I agree. I do not have a lot of experience with gas engines, however I have two Brillelli 25GT engines and have removed the V stack from both so I didn't have to butcher up the cowl so the ugly things could stick out. I have only a couple of flights on each, but had no problems related to the stacks removal. I have some fuel blowing out the carbs but, I expect that to end once I get the engines broken in and adjusted properly.
Old 10-12-2006, 07:41 PM
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Yes, I have run it w/o the stack. Run good. See I have one of Brillelli's earilest engines and just today i sent it to Scott to have it all updated. I have on it a carb that he switched out a long time ago but i didnt know about it as i got my engine unrun and from the original buyer and didnt know about Brillelli's great service and now I do and Scott is awesome and wanted me to send him my engine to give me all the updates. Is that great service or what?
Anyways one of the problems with the older carb is it didnt run good in the air and so i took off the stack to hopefully get a better tune and it worked. Hope that helps.

ORIGINAL: Twistawrecka

I finally ran the Brillelli 46 on my Midwest Superstinker last night in the backyard. Ran great, very smooth. It was too dark so I couldn't get the tach to work. I have a Zinger 22X6 on it right now. This plane should be about 14.5 pounds with this engine.

Has anyone flown the 46 without the velocity stack? I'd like to know how they perform without it. Looks like I can fit the whole carb inside my cowl if I take the stack off. I'd like to be able to do that and not cut a hole in the side of the cowl.

The weather has turned in a hurry here in Wisconsin, so hopefully I can find a day to get some flights with the 46 before winter really sets in.
Old 10-12-2006, 08:10 PM
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Default RE: Brillelli 46cc

Try a flashlight on the backside of the tach, Works good.
Hey 14.5lbs plane.. Should be a rocket with the 46cc.

I have placed my Goldburg Extra 330 on a diet.
I weighed my old alum eng mounts and they were 5.0 oz and the extra alum tabs and bolts the original builder used weighed an additional 1.8oz, so i'm buying Brillelli's Alum Mounts and i'll save 3.6 oz.
I lightnened my canopy today for another 4.2 oz lighter not to mention other weight i've taken off that the original builder had on it around 7.0 oz.+
Wheel pants weighed 3.5oz. Took them off for now and ordered some Kavan 3" wheel weigh just 1.8oz for the pair.(better for grass)
I've switched to Li-ion batterys for rec/ign and that saved 2oz. as well. Longer flights btwn charges will be a major plus.
Total lightnen to date around 1.5 lbs
I sent my 46cc to Brielli today and Scott said the newer 46's are at least 2oz lighter then his early versions. So i'm getting excited now as the engine gets lighter and will run better.
I had a H9 Extra 260 with a FPE 40cc on it and it weighed 14lbs11oz and this Goldburg weighed when i got it was at 16.2lbs
We'll see when all is said and done but it should be around the 14.5lbs range and that would be a rocket with a 46cc on it ))))))))))))))))))))))


[quote]ORIGINAL: Twistawrecka

I finally ran the Brillelli 46 on my Midwest Superstinker last night in the backyard. Ran great, very smooth. It was too dark so I couldn't get the tach to work. I have a Zinger 22X6 on it right now. This plane should be about 14.5 pounds with this engine.

Old 10-12-2006, 08:15 PM
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BTW, that First Plane Engine 40cc seems ok for patteren flight on that H9 Extra 260 plane, but didnt have the power to pull out of a hover with any authority, at least with the kind of authority that I like to have avail on tap . My 2 cents.
Old 10-12-2006, 09:13 PM
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Default RE: Brillelli 46cc

I have been wondering this as well.

ORIGINAL: Twistawrecka

Has anyone flown the 46 without the velocity stack? I'd like to know how they perform without it. Looks like I can fit the whole carb inside my cowl if I take the stack off. I'd like to be able to do that and not cut a hole in the side of the cowl.
Old 10-12-2006, 09:16 PM
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See post # 176
Old 10-12-2006, 09:18 PM
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Dunno how I missed that... *sigh*

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See post # 176
Old 10-12-2006, 10:33 PM
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Default RE: Brillelli 46cc

Personally I like the stacks and run them, but TKG is correct, they do not always help. Somtimes they make things worse. I have noticed easier tuning on the bench with them, but in a cowel is a different story. It is a matter of opinion to thier effectivness. Some customers like them, others hate them. I don't even bother putting them on Aerobobs engines. He will just chuck it in the trash anyway A true bell shaped V stack is the best. They are hard to find though. At leat ones that allow the choke to still be used.
Old 10-13-2006, 06:59 AM
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Alright Scott....When are you going to install fuel-injection?

Old 10-13-2006, 09:37 AM
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ORIGINAL: plasticman

Alright Scott....When are you going to install fuel-injection?

i hope not before i get mine.........i'm still on a realistic budget with my plane............LOL

the equation goes like: already great engine + company make fuel injection standard = increase in price to cever additional expenses and added benefits = pass on to buyers............LOL i never was worth a stink at economics.
Old 10-13-2006, 11:23 AM
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Default RE: Brillelli 46cc

To tell you the truth, The guy that makes the SS EI is working on a fuel injection system. If he figures it out I will offer it. The controller will be built into the EI unit. It would be optional though. Need to have the less expensive options as well. I would say it is about a year out.

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Old 10-13-2006, 11:35 AM
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is it gonna be one of those things you can go back in a year and "upgrade" ( i think some ppl refer to think as in computer terms ) LOL
Old 10-13-2006, 11:47 AM
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I am sure it will be upgradeable. I am just waiting to see if he can figure it out. I forsee MANY hurdles in his path
Old 10-13-2006, 01:35 PM
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Default RE: Brillelli 46cc

Of even greater importance is the answer to this question: WHY ?

Injection must be seen as of little value, else would have already been done by those dedicated "purpose built" guys, particularly since THEY are after squeezing every ounce of horses out of their jugs.

I'm thinking it's one of those "Could we?" things rather than a "Should we?"

(Take a look at where OS has ended up with THEIR FI Glow motors and I think you'll see my perspective.)
Old 10-13-2006, 04:39 PM
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ORIGINAL: aerobob

Of even greater importance is the answer to this question: WHY ?

Injection must be seen as of little value, else would have already been done by those dedicated "purpose built" guys, particularly since THEY are after squeezing every ounce of horses out of their jugs.

I'm thinking it's one of those "Could we?" things rather than a "Should we?"

(Take a look at where OS has ended up with THEIR FI Glow motors and I think you'll see my perspective.)

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Of course, what everyone is talking about is not true fuel injection, but, instead, is a fancy carb that pumps and meters the fuel. Fuel Injection occurs only with a nozzle in the cylinder doing the delivery.
Old 10-14-2006, 09:06 PM
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Default RE: Brillelli 46cc

A buddy of mine maidened his Midwest Super stinker today with this engine using an Airwild 21x8 prop. It turned about 6600 static. Very smooth running engine. Flew the plane very well. I think the plane was about 14.5 pounds. The prop is perfect for that engine.
Old 10-14-2006, 09:27 PM
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I ran my 46 today with the timing advance module. Wow, what smooth running and the idle will go down so low not to forget that it will start with just a flip. Worth every penny.

Plasticman.
Old 10-14-2006, 10:18 PM
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Plasticman,

What size prop are you using?
Old 10-14-2006, 10:21 PM
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Joe - that's what I'm getting on mine in my Ultimate with a NX 21 x 8..... darn good combo, for sure.
Old 10-15-2006, 09:15 AM
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Default RE: Brillelli 46cc

Joe's right the Super Stinker flew great with that engine. ALthough the prop was a NX 21X8, not Airwild. It is a great combo. I did take off the Velocity stack and engine didn't mind at all.
Now when I fit the new cowl the whole carb will be enclosed.
Old 10-15-2006, 05:28 PM
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Todd, the NX is sold by Airwild. Am I missing something? I bought it in Toledo at the AIRWILD booth, remember? [sm=spinnyeyes.gif]

ORIGINAL: Twistawrecka

Joe's right the Super Stinker flew great with that engine. ALthough the prop was a NX 21X8, not Airwild. It is a great combo. I did take off the Velocity stack and engine didn't mind at all.
Now when I fit the new cowl the whole carb will be enclosed.
Old 10-15-2006, 06:46 PM
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Plasticman,

What size prop are you using?
I am using a 20x8 NX and tach around 6700. This gives unlimited vertical and hover at 1/3 throttle. I could easily go bigger diameter but this prop is just perfect for the 46 on the UL-Giles.

P-Man.
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