SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
So….I guess we’re at that “The proof is in the pudding” part now….. As I mentioned, I’m interested.
The things I mentioned above are the legitimate business concerns which I would have were I to open another factory in the USA right now….which I’m not doing.
I’ll leave the business concerns to you.
The concern I have from this point is whether you’ll be one of the 5% in this industry who do not disappear within the first 2 years.
I’ll only leave you with one piece of advice. DO NOT sign any contracts with the big boys (Horizon, Great Planes) without a lawyer being involved. They are NOT always contacting you to buy and sell your product. If you’re getting in their way,I would not put it past them tosign an exclusive with you and then sell nothing and put you out of business. Not that I have any knowledge of their workings (that's my disclaimer).
I’ll be watching. I’d like to see how good these are. I’m a motorhead myself and it takes a real motorhead to make an engine that’s a step above all the others.
Jim
The businesses that survive poor economies are those with a unique value proposition. For some, it's price. Thank goodness that's only one form of value. Frankly, low price is the hardest business model to protect, since there will always be a cheaper guy around the corner. American products will not survive if we intend to compete on price. It's not practical given the standard of living we all want. We want to live in nice houses and have nice cars, but pay cheap prices. There will be many, many other retailers besides WalMart who survive. I don't expect to see decent quality shoes or business clothes at WalMart any time soon. Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Ferrari, BMW, Harley Davidson have all survived historically poor economies. But admittedly, those products are not intended for everyone.
America must compete on technology, as the Germans and others have done successfully for years. For America to survive as a manufacturer, the value proposition must be performance, quality, service, or something else besides price. I'm truly glad that Todd is aimed at producing a unique small gas engine with the best power to weight ratio, with excellent quality components, rather than chasing the the cheapest product possible.
The problem with competing in the US on price is that the middleman/distributors place a premium on American made Goods artificially jacking up the price so the cheap imported stuff looks better priced so they sell more volume of the cheap junk.( been through this with a product so don't tell me otherwise)
If there is enough volume any US made product can be made economicaly enough to be competitive in the price rangewith the imports.If the feds required goods made offshore to be madein accordance tosame requirements that a US manufacturer is required to meet the pacific rim stuff would disappear off the market.
They don't have to meet OSHA regs, EPA regs, meet insurance and wage standards.
RC11
Also, any thrust figures that you will ever see with us will be from a typical airplane restrained on the ground with a digital gauge...a test stand is cheating a bit as it has less frontal area and gives slightly higher numbers.
Nosedragger...that is why it will be tough for us to sell through distributors...the margin is not high and we would like to deal directly with the customers to give them the best possible advice and convey the most value.
Can you do that for us and let us know the results please
regards
G
Wishing you all the best. This is an exciting (and scarey) time for you, I hope you stay going in that one direction!
There are things I could never hope to explain here, not enough time or space for all of it! But time will explain them to you better than I could ever hope to. That's where that flexibility I was talking about comes into play.
Carry on bravely!
Jim
If it's too expensive for you, buy the cheaper options, but I don't see the point in trying to tell someone what price they should put on their product. I am very sure he is aware of the compeition and didn't blindly set the price.
If it performs well and has the quality to match it will sell itself.
Personally I would like to hear some numbers on a Mejzlik 18x6.
I’m not saying that the value isn’t there. And it’s great that a certain portion of the flying population will beat a path to his door. That also means that rest of the population pretty much WON’T. The American economy and the world economy are in flux right now, that means that the last man standing will be the one with a realistic and flexible game plan. American products are going to have to sell for less by the time all the adjustments have been made, that’s why everything is in flux right now. I doubt that tsyssa will find things to be any different. Wal-Mart hasn’t done what it has done by offering only expensive American products, and that has taken away from the American workers.
Only by adjusting prices can we compete. Not blow-for-blow, foreign labor like Chinese labor is far too cheap. It’s great to be able to extol the virtues of good American craftsmanship, but that alone won’t convince many folks. Bring the price just a LITTLE closer AND extol the virtues and benefits of solid American craftsmanship, and MANY more folks will be able to rationalize spending some more for an engine.
Let’s not kid each other. We all know that pretty much every one of us has gone and shopped at Wal-Mart, knowing that somewhere your basket full of goods just unseated an American worker from his job. We’ve all gone to that cheap tool store and bought something made in<place></place><country-region></country-region>China.
We’ve all got families and budgets and kids in college and you-name-it waiting to eat up our money. If we’re going to rationalize spending more on a 30CC engine it’s got to be giving us enough reason to make that decision. I can pick up a CRRC engine for 200 bucks. I want something with American quality, and that’s worth more, but $429.00 plus shipping ??? That’s more than twice as much! Yes, it’s beautiful, and I feel like I want one. But most guys also have wives who will want to know what they want to spend the money on and why. Now, my wife is great. She’ll say sure, go ahead. My last wife and the three before that HATED my planes, and I had to play hell getting a few bucks here and there out of the budget. THAT is the norm out there, and in this economy with savings being lost in the market and all that I would bet that things are even worse that way for most guys. $389.00 and I stand a chance of being able to convince her that the value is there compared to the others. I’m not speaking about my present wife, I’m speaking for the other regular guys out there. Or say $399.00 delivered. Something like that.
That’s just my take on it, and as I said, it’s not just the value, because the value is there. It’s what the average Joe is going to be willing (or able) to spend to have that. The big money in this industry, except in very rare cases, is not made from the specialized market, it’s from the average guys, and 10 times as many of them are scrutinizing what is available and more often are spending money on more modestly priced items. Striking a balance between the very best and the very most expensive.
That’s my 2 cents worth!
And I still think I’d want one.
Jim
No problem...I'll get some photos and a video as soon as possible...
If that motor will swing an 18x 10 prop at 8000 revs it should have eneough power to do the job , also
can you tell us what the dimensions are please ,plus can it be hand started?
Thanks
G
So, the regular Joe who just needs standard gas engine power is not who this brand of engine is intended for. This should be interesting. Starting a business that ignores a HUGE portion of the modeling population. What’s the percentage of guys doing 3-D? I’m going to venture a guess that right now 70% of them are using Chinese engines.
NOTHING sells itself. Even QUALITY has to be advertised just right. And even if some DO sell themselves, that doesn’t mean ENOUGH of them will sell to stay solvent. Especially when your target is a limited portion of an already limited industry. DOUBLE especially when the market is already flooded (and getting worse) with viable (and getting better) engines by your competitors. Arguing existing potential problems or even arguing against them does not make them disappear. Business is business, and sticking your head in the sand is a sure recipe for disaster.
Take care.
Jim
Your like or dislike of Jake has no place here.
tsyssa
There is a market for a engine that runs without tinkering, many guys don't want to tinker with their engines, they just want to fly a dead nuts reliable engine. Build it, they will buy it. I bought a Brillelli for that reason, unfortunaltly his suppliers brought him down, but it looks like you're doing it all so your fate will be in your hands, good luck and wishing you success.
TexasSkyPilot
Your like or dislike of Jake has no place here.
tsyssa
There is a market for a engine that runs without tinkering, many guys don't want to tinker with their engines, they just want to fly a dead nuts reliable engine. Build it, they will buy it. I bought a Brillelli for that reason, unfortunaltly his suppliers brought him down, but it looks like you're doing it all so your fate will be in your hands, good luck and wishing you success.
agreed. Let's move on.
So, the regular Joe who just needs standard gas engine power is not who this brand of engine is intended for. This should be interesting. Starting a business that ignores a HUGE portion of the modeling population. What’s the percentage of guys doing 3-D? I’m going to venture a guess that right now 70% of them are using Chinese engines.
NOTHING sells itself. Even QUALITY has to be advertised just right. And even if some DO sell themselves, that doesn’t mean ENOUGH of them will sell to stay solvent. Especially when your target is a limited portion of an already limited industry. DOUBLE especially when the market is already flooded (and getting worse) with viable (and getting better) engines by your competitors. Arguing existing potential problems or even arguing against them does not make them disappear. Business is business, and sticking your head in the sand is a sure recipe for disaster.
Take care.
Jim
I guess you never saw what the boat guys pay for billet engines, that market is flooded with cheap crap too, what do they buy? not the $250 chinese zen copy, but the 800-1000 dollar billet engines. and that segment of the rc market is even smaller than the smallest segment of rc aircraft.
Or better yet, lets look at fly fishing, fly fishing is hobby whereby people with diposable income can find an easyway to dispose of it. Fly reels from taiwan,china etc are all over the place for $50 but what do people buy? the 300+ dollar units made in the USA and England. Why do they sell? features, different style etc.