BH50? braveheart engines?
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BH50? braveheart engines?
anyone have any experience with the bh50? i was looking in the new flyrc magazine and noticed an ad on page 129 of the march 2010 issue for braveheart engines this is the first i have seen this ad or heard of them they have a 50cc that looks identical to all the other da50 copycats for $299.
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I've seen some close up interior views, and was provided actual performance from someone I know and trust. My opinion is at this time they are well over priced. It's not always about a low price, it also has to be able to do what you intended it for. With a little work it has the potential to be a good engine, but it still needs that work.
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I am confused. How can someone offer an opinion if they have never owned one, or have never been present when one is pulling a model plane around. No, these BraveHeart engines are not a 'copy' of anything....completely new design. As far as the opinion, how can these engines be 'well over-priced' if they are comparable in weight and horsepower to the ZDZ, DL, RCGF, etc in the 2-stroke gasser market? For the specifications, go to http://www.superiorrc.com/engines and check them out. There is a thread on here about them as well.
The internet is a powerful tool for research, but it seems to me that the negative opinions that people post on the forums to shoot down a product without experiencing the item for themselves is without merit. My guess is that according to the forums and the way people 'guess' this and 'maybe' that becomes factual to the folks that are looking for a review or comments from people that have used the items.
Forums are great, but people need to be better judges as to who actually knows a product from experience, or just listening to all the hear-say.
The internet is a powerful tool for research, but it seems to me that the negative opinions that people post on the forums to shoot down a product without experiencing the item for themselves is without merit. My guess is that according to the forums and the way people 'guess' this and 'maybe' that becomes factual to the folks that are looking for a review or comments from people that have used the items.
Forums are great, but people need to be better judges as to who actually knows a product from experience, or just listening to all the hear-say.
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Beleive it or not, there are people out there that do not have to run an engine to recognize it's anticipated peak performance level. All they need to know are the stats and porting. The rest is pretty basic.
If one is looking for a super cheap engine, buy a chainsaw product and do the conversion. Might get it all done for under $100.00. There's no reason to be defensive about a price, which is what most are doing when a new, ultra low priced product comes out. All they are trying to do is justify their own decision to make a purchase. Most of those never make a purchase at all. They wait for about a dozen other people to make a purchase first and then pester them to death about performance questions, and those being questioned frequently don't know how to accurately grade performance or determine quality levels.
Face it, most of the "has anyone seen or have" the new engine posts are made by someone looking at low price. Otherwise they would not bother with a gas engine at all.
If one is looking for a super cheap engine, buy a chainsaw product and do the conversion. Might get it all done for under $100.00. There's no reason to be defensive about a price, which is what most are doing when a new, ultra low priced product comes out. All they are trying to do is justify their own decision to make a purchase. Most of those never make a purchase at all. They wait for about a dozen other people to make a purchase first and then pester them to death about performance questions, and those being questioned frequently don't know how to accurately grade performance or determine quality levels.
Face it, most of the "has anyone seen or have" the new engine posts are made by someone looking at low price. Otherwise they would not bother with a gas engine at all.
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I have a BraveHeart 50 that was on an airplane I bought. It had 10 flights on it when I claimed ownership and I've FLOWN it many times since then. This engine runs fine. It starts on a few flips and it turns a JZ 22x8 prop at slightly over 7100 RPM. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this engine, it's just not pretty to look at.
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I have a BraveHeart 50 that was on an airplane I bought. It had 10 flights on it when I claimed ownership and I've FLOWN it many times since then. This engine runs fine. It starts on a few flips and it turns a JZ 22x8 prop at slightly over 7100 RPM. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this engine, it's just not pretty to look at.
I have a BraveHeart 50 that was on an airplane I bought. It had 10 flights on it when I claimed ownership and I've FLOWN it many times since then. This engine runs fine. It starts on a few flips and it turns a JZ 22x8 prop at slightly over 7100 RPM. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this engine, it's just not pretty to look at.
Experts abound and some actually know what they are talking about. The rest are usually repeating nonsense because it makes tham appear informed.
If a product has a lot of "hands on" bad reports, consider that valuable. The hypothetical, I think, specs say, etc. is purely conjecture based on limited knowledge of the product with a mix of hot shot BS thrown in.
We had a local fellow highly rated as an engine guru, years of automobile and midget racing experience. He would pronounce many model engines as junk based on specs not physical reality. The owners of the denounced engines happily flew day in and day out while he tweaked, twiddled and flatulated over his precious, blessed engine that never made a powered landing. Others using the same engine flew merrily on.
Point is, personal hands on experience outweighs guesswork and pomp any day.
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If I was going to buy one of these engines, I would wait 6mos. for the guinea pigs to report. Then I would consider buying. I once had an XYZ 50cc motor that started and ran well. BUT it had to be kept at full throttle most of the time to keep the plane in the air. Be patient and some folks will bite on the price only or pay a little more and get a proven Chinese motor from a reputable distributor.
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I've seen some posts on here about the BraveHeart 100cc on a SuperiorRC plane. There are other posts about the 50cc, and I have one on mySuperior RC Yak.
I appreciate the fact that some people do take the negative posts with a grain of salt, just because they are more in touch with reality. A new product that doesn't have much exposure could be given a fair chance to prove itself, but the uninformed opinions of some others on the forums just to toot their own horns is unnecessary, and adds to the negative side of opinions, even though the new brand may have some potential.
I appreciate the fact that some people do take the negative posts with a grain of salt, just because they are more in touch with reality. A new product that doesn't have much exposure could be given a fair chance to prove itself, but the uninformed opinions of some others on the forums just to toot their own horns is unnecessary, and adds to the negative side of opinions, even though the new brand may have some potential.
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it seems Wingnut565 is Superior R/C? Tell us more about it? What planes do you have them on and what props do they turn at what RPM?
Here's a picture of the engine . . .
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it seems Wingnut565 is Superior R/C? Tell us more about it? What planes do you have them on and what props do they turn at what RPM?
Here's a picture of the engine . . .
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I've seen some close up interior views, and was provided actual performance from someone I know and trust. My opinion is at this time they are well over priced. It's not always about a low price, it also has to be able to do what you intended it for. With a little work it has the potential to be a good engine, but it still needs that work.
I've seen some close up interior views, and was provided actual performance from someone I know and trust. My opinion is at this time they are well over priced. It's not always about a low price, it also has to be able to do what you intended it for. With a little work it has the potential to be a good engine, but it still needs that work.
It starts easy, (normally 2 or 3 flips) and it powers a 22x8 prop to a respectable 7100 RPM.
I am not a reseller, distributor, or anything similar. Just an RC modeler of 41 years...
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I distribute BH engines in South Africa. Before I decide to import a product and sell it, I first test it for myself and make sure that I do not sell rubbish to my customers. It is also logical that I will give back-up service on the product.
I agree with Wingnut and the others that a lot of people spew a lot of nonsense about products without having firsthand knowledge of the product himself.
Having met Peter (owner) of Brave Heart engines personally, he assured me that the design of the engines are his own and that he did not just merely copy his engines from the multitude of other engines available. Quite obviously he did not redesign the wheel but close scrutiny of the engines when taken apart clearly show that a lot of effort has gone into these engines.
A giveaway clue for instance is the placement of the "reedvalve" assembly on the 100 and 170cc engines. Unlike most of the Chinese copies and for that matter some of the "highly acclaimed" engines on these forums, it is placed slightly offcentre to compesate for the air/fuel mixture intake that result in both cylinders getting the same amount of fuel mixture. This prevents one cylinder from running leaner than the other.
Unlike most other brands, Peter did not merely double up on the horsepower rating of the 50cc engine for his 100cc etc. (does 55 and 111 at what was it, 5.5 and 11 hp sound familiar?) He was honest by stating his 50cc deliver 5.2hp at 6500 rpm at sealevel ( sorry forgot the propsize) and 9.8hp with a 27x10 prop at 5800rpm at sealevel for the 100cc engine.
To answer the original question, I have been using both the 50cc and 100cc engines now since I purchased my first samples in Shanghai in October 2009. Both these engines perform well and swing 22x8 and 27x10 props respectively. Yes, sometimes I have to swing a bit more on the prop to start the engines but that can usually be attributed to weather, fuel mixture etc. than to the engines itself. So far (now 8 months)
the engines have performed without any problems, and their performace is comparable to any other brand that I have owned to date. As for engine life, only time will tell but at this stage of the game there is nothing to make me believe that they will not last for a good number of years.
As for the price of the engines, they are somewhat more expensive than the other Chinese brands but I still regard them as great value for money. The fact that I am prepared to fly my own Extreme Composite 100cc Edge with the BH 100cc engine has been more than enough for quite a number of my customers to buy BH engines from me.
So please folks, give us, that have the guts to purchase and try out new products a chance to prove or disprove the quality thereof before being derogatory about it. Sometimes individuals or companies invest a lot of capital and effort to bring a new product to market only to have it degraded and destroyed by people on the net even before it has had a chance to prove or disprove itself. If it was not for people like them, you would not have had the great variety of products to choose from and you would not have had the competition amongst brands that drive prices down to your benefit.
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I agree with Wingnut and the others that a lot of people spew a lot of nonsense about products without having firsthand knowledge of the product himself.
Having met Peter (owner) of Brave Heart engines personally, he assured me that the design of the engines are his own and that he did not just merely copy his engines from the multitude of other engines available. Quite obviously he did not redesign the wheel but close scrutiny of the engines when taken apart clearly show that a lot of effort has gone into these engines.
A giveaway clue for instance is the placement of the "reedvalve" assembly on the 100 and 170cc engines. Unlike most of the Chinese copies and for that matter some of the "highly acclaimed" engines on these forums, it is placed slightly offcentre to compesate for the air/fuel mixture intake that result in both cylinders getting the same amount of fuel mixture. This prevents one cylinder from running leaner than the other.
Unlike most other brands, Peter did not merely double up on the horsepower rating of the 50cc engine for his 100cc etc. (does 55 and 111 at what was it, 5.5 and 11 hp sound familiar?) He was honest by stating his 50cc deliver 5.2hp at 6500 rpm at sealevel ( sorry forgot the propsize) and 9.8hp with a 27x10 prop at 5800rpm at sealevel for the 100cc engine.
To answer the original question, I have been using both the 50cc and 100cc engines now since I purchased my first samples in Shanghai in October 2009. Both these engines perform well and swing 22x8 and 27x10 props respectively. Yes, sometimes I have to swing a bit more on the prop to start the engines but that can usually be attributed to weather, fuel mixture etc. than to the engines itself. So far (now 8 months)
the engines have performed without any problems, and their performace is comparable to any other brand that I have owned to date. As for engine life, only time will tell but at this stage of the game there is nothing to make me believe that they will not last for a good number of years.
As for the price of the engines, they are somewhat more expensive than the other Chinese brands but I still regard them as great value for money. The fact that I am prepared to fly my own Extreme Composite 100cc Edge with the BH 100cc engine has been more than enough for quite a number of my customers to buy BH engines from me.
So please folks, give us, that have the guts to purchase and try out new products a chance to prove or disprove the quality thereof before being derogatory about it. Sometimes individuals or companies invest a lot of capital and effort to bring a new product to market only to have it degraded and destroyed by people on the net even before it has had a chance to prove or disprove itself. If it was not for people like them, you would not have had the great variety of products to choose from and you would not have had the competition amongst brands that drive prices down to your benefit.
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Danie
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Best of luck to you Danie!
Thumbs up to people with the guts to put their money into a product and risk marketing it into an extremely competitive market.
Pay no attention to the naysayers who have already formed an opinion, both on price and performance without ever having seen your engine.
My hat off to you !!
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Thumbs up to people with the guts to put their money into a product and risk marketing it into an extremely competitive market.
Pay no attention to the naysayers who have already formed an opinion, both on price and performance without ever having seen your engine.
My hat off to you !!
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So please folks, give us, that have the guts to purchase and try out new products a chance to prove or disprove the quality thereof before being derogatory about it. Sometimes individuals or companies invest a lot of capital and effort to bring a new product to market only to have it degraded and destroyed by people on the net even before it has had a chance to prove or disprove itself. If it was not for people like them, you would not have had the great variety of products to choose from and you would not have had the competition amongst brands that drive prices down to your benefit.
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So please folks, give us, that have the guts to purchase and try out new products a chance to prove or disprove the quality thereof before being derogatory about it. Sometimes individuals or companies invest a lot of capital and effort to bring a new product to market only to have it degraded and destroyed by people on the net even before it has had a chance to prove or disprove itself. If it was not for people like them, you would not have had the great variety of products to choose from and you would not have had the competition amongst brands that drive prices down to your benefit.
Regards
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I have a BH-50 in my Corsair. Starts and runs great. I am swinging a 22 x 10 JXF prop. Don't think I have ever checked the RPM. It's more than enough for the Corsair. Scale flying comes on little over 50% throttle. I thouroughly recommend it! It sells for about £250 here in the UK, which is reasonable in my book. Never been keen on buying the absolute cheapest engine on the market. You always end up with trouble. You get what you pay for as a rule.
Whilst they are nice, I think DA is overpriced and not any better than my BH in performance. DA's seem to have some very strange porting. The boost port is almost an after-thought! Everybody makes mistakes from time to time I suppose.
Whilst they are nice, I think DA is overpriced and not any better than my BH in performance. DA's seem to have some very strange porting. The boost port is almost an after-thought! Everybody makes mistakes from time to time I suppose.
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Or the fox coffin engines, How about parts support I have yet heard where and how that problem is resolved sometimes even the best engines break ask my os 46fx with the cracked crank case broke right along the mounting lug?? They all need parts where and how much will induce me to buy!