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zoaartcc 12-14-2010 08:43 PM

What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
<span style="font-family: Verdana;">HI, I have started this thread for those of you that are flying or building or plan to build an aircraft with the DLE20 installed.

Please Post what aircraft or Kit that you have and how you installed your DLE20 along with any MODIFICATIONS needed or how you installed the electronics to make it fit and balance.
Iknow there are many out there that are very excited about this new engine and what it will work in as well as what it will not work so well after trying to fit it.

Thanks and looking forward to any and all contributions.

For myself, I am currently building the GP Extra300s Kit and will be making some changes to the airplane. I am installing CF landing gear as well as beefing up the LG suports to allow for 3 or 4 screws to fasten it to the plane. I will include some photos of my plane and the engine installation soon.
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Johnny_Zero 12-14-2010 09:01 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Signed up

w8ye 12-14-2010 09:10 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Here's some help from the engine thread


Original: a1pcfixer
Over the past 4 months, many have posted asking "Is this engine
a good match to this xxx-xxx model?
"

Some don't do their homework (read this thread), some don't understand
this engine's incredible power. Others are just new to gassers.

So maybe <u>a very rough guideline</u> of sorts might help some in deciding
if this DLE20cc gas engine is -or- is not a good match for their model.

This DLE20cc gas engine, is a drop in replacement for most any model
aircraft requiring a glow engine of .90 -to- 1.20 size.

So, if the specs on your model states .90 -to- 1.20, then this DLE20c
is very likely a good match!

If your model states ONLY .90, then <u>maybe</u>. Things like wing area, wing
loading, assembled weight, and so on will determine if it's a good match.

If your model's specs state anything less than a .90 size engine, then
most like it's <u>NOT</u><u> a good match</u>! There are a few exceptions.

Overall, roughly speaking; this DLE20cc will be good for many model
aircraft requiring a glow engine of a range of between .90 -to- 1.20 size,
and weighing between 7 lbs -to- around abouts 20 lbs.

For 3D'ing; 7-9 lbs but the closer you get to 9 lbs, the slower pull-outs
from a hover, will be.

General sport flying; 9-13 lbs (roughly speaking), and still be <u>spirited</u>.

Scale flying; 10-20 lbs, but as you exceed 14 lbs it may be a bit sluggish.
A long take-off may be needed, a large wing span WILL be helpfull!

In ALL cases, <u>reinforcing the firewall for the stresses of a gas engine
is a very wise move</u>!!!

One other issue to consider in matching this DLE20cc gas engine to your
model will be <u>prop -to- ground clearance</u>. The sweet spot of engine
torque/thrust for this engine is with a 17" prop. Yes, DLE states the
prop range as 14x10 - 17x6, but the 17" props are right in it's <u>power band</u>.

That brings up issues of ground clearance on some potential selections of
models. Some warbirds (and other models) may have issues of prop -to- ground
clearance. If your chosen model states .90 -to- 1.20 then you should be OK.

If you can stuff this DLE20cc into your model, but have ground clearance
issues, then a <u>3 or 4 bladed prop</u> may be required, or go with a smaller
prop.

This DLE20cc gas engine has more power than a CRRC Pro 26 or a Saito 1.25
(Saito FG-20/gasser) and is a drop in replacement for most any model
aircraft requiring a glow engine of .90 -to- 1.20 size.


Proceed accordingly! <span class="info"> </span>

Johnny_Zero 12-14-2010 09:13 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Nice....

zoaartcc 12-14-2010 09:20 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Thanks to w8ye for posting this valuable information on the DLE20 and the basic of what which aircraft will best fit its design. I saw this in the DLE20 thread and appreciate you adding it here. It should be of invaluable help to all trying to decide what plane to look for.

boostoman 12-14-2010 11:25 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
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I have installed the DLE 20 on a KATANA 70 V2 from OMP ( <span class="url">www.topmodelproduction.com/<wbr></wbr>katana70V2.htm</span> )
below are the specs:
DLE20
Prop: Xoar 17x7 @ 7600 (didnt touch the tuning needles yet) running rich
fueltank: 180cc (6 Oz)
Servos: Power HD90 all the way round
Battery: RX: 1,600mah 2S Lipo IGN: 1050mAh 2S lipo

flying weight: 3100g (6.8 Ib)

great flying, pulls straight up even with such a rich mixture. once i tune it would be a rocket. the wing loading is low so im able to fly the plane relativly slow.





ghoffman 12-15-2010 04:25 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
I have my first one in an Ultra Stick 60, and it has spectacular performance. The second DLE-20 will go in a new 3D Hobby Shop 68 inch Velox.

a1pcfixer 12-15-2010 04:46 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 


ORIGINAL: zoaartcc

Thanks to w8ye for posting this valuable information on the DLE20 and the basic of what which aircraft will best fit its design. I saw this in the DLE20 thread and appreciate you adding it here. It should be of invaluable help to all trying to decide what plane to look for.

Why thank-you, and you're welcome!

Woody218 12-15-2010 04:57 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
My first one is installed in a Seagull 90-size Yak 54.

Clay Walters 12-15-2010 04:57 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 


ORIGINAL: zoaartcc

Thanks to w8ye for posting this valuable information on the DLE20 and the basic of what which aircraft will best fit its design. I saw this in the DLE20 thread and appreciate you adding it here. It should be of invaluable help to all trying to decide what plane to look for.

Same for me!

I have a Hangar 9 Pulse 125 XT that I hope to install the DLE20 in. But I move slow so it may be awhile before I actually address it as I've had to move indoors away from my freezing cold garage where my work tables and good lighting are.

But I am thinking ahead and suspect that because of the way I reinstalled my control rods to address potential problem areas identified in another RCU thread that I my single location left for a throttle servo may render it difficult to route a throttle cable around the tank and to the throttle linkage.

Since this engine is clearly designed for R/C it surprises me that a reconfiguration of the carb wasn't done to position the arms to one side, the return spring disabled, and longer throttle arm installed. I have heard that a longer one may have been provided but I haven't dug thru the contents of the box to know if it was or not. Centering the carb and control arms dead center in the firewall just seems rediculous considering that most airframes plan on the fuel tank being there.

While the Pulse seems to be a nicely laid out plane with provision for nitro, gas, and electric installation I didn't expect to confront this and probably would have select a different ARF if I knew then what I think will happen now. ( A 120 4-stroke is on order just in case this gasser isn't a good mix)

If it hadn't been for winter arriving I'd have picked from some of my plans and just built something for this engine.

Still I'm excited by the prospect and hope to learn a bunch on the installation workarounds others have done with this thread.

Signed up too,

Clay

w8ye 12-15-2010 05:16 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
$2.09 throttle arm for DLE 20

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...XDMG1&amp;P=ML

Will have to be drilled to 3/16" you will have to put the screw in the throttle arm before you drill it or the brass will catch and spin in the arm.


Lifer 12-15-2010 05:18 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
H-9 .60-size Corsair. Appears to be a good fit.

ghoffman 12-15-2010 05:32 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Aeroworks has a nice Extra and even had a specific DLE-20 installation kit for it as well.
http://www.aero-works.net/store/detail.aspx?ID=406

http://www.aero-works.net/store/detail.aspx?ID=452
http://www.aero-works.net/store/imag...ndum_large.jpg

abreimeris 12-15-2010 06:21 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
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I am currently building a SEAGULL EDGE 540 90 size. Using a DLE 20 with engine mounts that come with the plane. Great Fit.

repinfl 12-15-2010 06:44 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Mounted one on a Hangar9 Ultra Stick Lite 120 w/xoar 18x8. I used the recomended Dubro motor mount(DUBG1307).
No Cowl on this plane so I mounded the engine upright and had no problem with throttle linkage & the choke
is available for "finger" operation. I did reinforce the firewall and installed the ignition module & batteries
in the "tank area" and the tank on the CG. My other USL 120 has an OS 120. When I tried to purchase another USL 120
discovered that Hangar9 stopped production BUT upon checking for PARTS I was able to purchase everything
needed, fuse, tail, wing & landing gear all except hardware and at 72 yrs young and 50+ yrs in the hobby/sport
I have enough "hardware" to finish MANY planes! Sorry, no report on preformance yet as the weather has been to
cold & Windy for these old bones. The plane did need a tad (hope all know what a tad is) of tail weight. Did not
weigh the lead but it was a tad, couple of sq. of that stickon weights. (screwed them in place) Sorry for rambling
on so but I am getting Cabin Fever this Winter. Heck, it is not even winter yet!

HP146R 12-15-2010 09:07 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Great idea:


Sportstar, MAN plans #X1110A. Low wing, 74" span, 12-121/2 #. with a smoker. Soon ordering the lumber to get started.


RD

Clay Walters 12-15-2010 10:04 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 


ORIGINAL: w8ye

$2.09 throttle arm for DLE 20

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXDMG1&P=ML

Will have to be drilled to 3/16'' you will have to put the screw in the throttle arm before you drill it or the brass will catch and spin in the arm.


Great idea. But I've gotta dig thru my loose parts because I think I have one of those somewhere! Added it to my Tower wishlist just in case.

:D

tonyob 12-15-2010 11:04 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Thanks for starting this thread, very interested to see the postings.

raptureboy 12-15-2010 12:44 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 


ORIGINAL: Clay Walters



ORIGINAL: w8ye

$2.09 throttle arm for DLE 20

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXDMG1&P=ML

Will have to be drilled to 3/16'' you will have to put the screw in the throttle arm before you drill it or the brass will catch and spin in the arm.


Great idea. But I've gotta dig thru my loose parts because I think I have one of those somewhere! Added it to my Tower wishlist just in case.

:D
I have not bought mine yet but I plan on installing it in my Top flite .60 P-47. I have used a Dubro heavy duty servo arm drilled out to fit on the shaft then I drill and tap the arm for a 6-32 set screw. It works well. I also have a GP Ryan ST G.S. that I want to put on to replace my OS 90 FS.

brenthampton79 12-15-2010 01:33 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Im currently building a gp extra 60 kit that I'm going to put mine on, I will also be doing smoke on it as well

skip1320 12-15-2010 03:02 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Amen!! Now I can unsubscribe to engine thread!! Lets see those pics,thanks

zoaartcc 12-15-2010 03:19 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
To give you a choice I just ordered the following throttle arm from AZTECH Aeromodels. It is alumonum and a little more expensive than what w8yr has proposed. I will let you know how it works as soon as it arrives.

http://aztechaero.goods.officelive.c...ccesories.aspx

zoaartcc 12-15-2010 03:37 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">I want to thank Jim for Authoring the very detailed list of what one should consider as a good plane to fit the new DLE20 engine. This is the list that w8yr posted near the top of this page. Jim put a lot of work and thought into this article and we all owe him a big THANK YOU!!!</p>

a1pcfixer 12-15-2010 04:35 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
You're ALL welcome!

Just took a dab of analytical thinking, a chunk of common sense, and a pinch of effort to do that piece.
I'd been watching the posting on the DLE20cc thread, seeing all manner of bad suggestions of what airframe might be good for this engine, and figured a guideline might help some.

It's nothing written in stone, just a rough guide.

I like saving others money, and find a good combo=a satisfied flyer!
Flip side is bad info/bad combos=flyers sadly disappointed and often leaving the hobby.

a1pcfixer 12-15-2010 04:54 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
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My DLE20cc went in an AeroWorks PROX260 Freestyle 90 size.

Details.......

AW .60-.90 PROX260 ARF- QB
AUW= 7 lbs. 2oz
DLE20cc gas engine
Optic Remote engine kill system (42% Products)
MK3 Voltage Regulator Li-Ion (MPi Products)
Froemco 2600 mAh Li-Ion 2-cell (runs everything)
Hitec HS-5645MG Ailerons
Hitec HS-5625MG Rudder & Elevator
Hitec HS-65MG Throttle
Sullivan ball link (carb)
Futaba R608FS 2.4Ghz reciever
8 oz fuel tank (off an OMP)
Madison Components Ceramic fuel filter clunk
Stihl Ultra HP (synthetic) 30:1
Zoar 16x6, Vess 17x6, Vess 18x6 props.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view4/1395188...gas-eng2-o.gif

Rcv, batt, regulator, ign kill, ALL went in one wing panel hatch.

CG as stated in manual is waaaaay off, and both sizes of this bird end up flying tail heavy, a bunch!!!
Be aware of that, and balance accordingly. AW states such was intended for Xtreme 3D'ers
Also; center ailerons to the center of the SFG's

Stock L-G is far too short for this engine with the preferred 17x6 props, so I put Tetherite L-G on to raise it up.

It'll hover round abouts 35% throttle, and pull-out is like a missle!

At 7lbs, this combo is flat out awesome!!!!

K 5054 12-15-2010 06:10 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
I am installing it in a ESM Spitfire

scooterinvegas 12-15-2010 06:42 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 

ORIGINAL: ghoffman
I have my first one in an Ultra Stick 60, and it has spectacular performance.
Any pictures of your install? Did you cut the firewall?

I have a G-26 on a US lite, and the firewall had to be cut. I have 2 US 60's, one has a 95AX and the other is NIB. Was thinking about a DLE-20 on the US 60, Im loving the gas motors I have.

wesaysoracing 12-15-2010 06:57 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
my DLE 20 was put on a jerrys bigboy, took a saito 150 off of it

daisy shoot 12-15-2010 07:03 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Sbach 65" profile from "the balsa store". Awsome awesome awesome plane!!! The second dle 20 will most likely go in another sbach 65!!!!!! My buddy is slapping one in a Decathalon, should be a blast if he ever gets it done:)

ghoffman 12-15-2010 07:17 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
No, it was easy. I will post a few new pics tomorrow. I have about 30 flights on it. It is the highest performance Stick in our club by far.

joebob 12-15-2010 07:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: daisy shoot

Sbach 65'' profile from ''the balsa store''. Awsome awesome awesome plane!!! The second dle 20 will most likely go in another sbach 65!!!!!! My buddy is slapping one in a Decathalon, should be a blast if he ever gets it done:)
Me too! You got it flying yet? Mine's ready to go, just waiting on the weather to cooperate.

tony0707 12-15-2010 07:46 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
HI
IF your 60 size stik performs that well-a lot of people will be paying a lot of good attention to what you are up tomaking an IKON
in this hobby perform better than before sure works for methats what we are hear to do-this process keeps all things that fly and improve -even more FUN than before to be good at this hobby all one must do is copy that which he see's working real well at the flying field( or waking at night with a brain storm ! ) i have a lot of planes and fly for 20 years more than most-just so happens my MIDWEST 60 SUPER STIK is the plane i have loged the most RC hours on the plane will fly in any conditions and handle them well or a go to to relax
a good performing SMALL gas engine could very well change the way we look at our RC powerplants in the futureBRAVO
MERRY CHRISTMAS REGARDS TONY

littlera 12-16-2010 05:37 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
I am considering putting one in a 1/3 scale Druine Turbulent I am going to build from a vintage Precedent (UK) kit. I scored this kit from another RCU member after seeing a 6 year old post by him regarding the kit. I believe it has an 87" span, and will probably weigh in the 10 lb. range. Should be a relaxing floater! I would prefer possibly an OS 160 twin, but in recent years these have gotten unreasonably expensive with the high value of the Yen vs. the USD.

Precedent made nice kits. I built their 1/4 Aeronca Champ. Too bad their new parent company took all their wood kits off the market after buying the company about 10 years ago.

littlera

ghoffman 12-16-2010 06:15 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Here are some pics of the DLE-20 on the UStick 60. The ignition box is in the nose where the fuel tank used to be. Since it gets such good gas mileage, the smaller tank is good for about 15-20 minutes and since it is at the C/G it does not change as it drains. The small circuit board near the tank is the Syssa IBEC and I have it in the "gear" port on the JR921Rx that is under the Life battery. This way, I have an easy on/off switch on the Tx, with a small LED on the right side that indicates if the ignition is hot, and it regulates the voltage into the ignition to 5.6v. As you can see, the rudder and elevator servos are rear mounted and the C/G is perfect this way. The all up weight is 7 pounds. 14 oz.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...DSC_0016-4.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...DSC_0012-4.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...DSC_0013-4.jpg

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http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...DSC_0020-1.jpg

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w8ye 12-16-2010 06:24 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Looks good. That's my kind of plane.

ghoffman 12-16-2010 06:51 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
Thanks, it is fun and is no hassle to take it out. All I do I make sure it is charged up (the 1800mah LiFe will last all day and then some, it is overkill), and put gas in it and go. Turn it on, flip the prop and we are flying. No oil on the bottom, and 3 flights cost about a quarter. Other planes handle better and will do things that this Stick could never do, but it hovers at 1/2 throttle, takes off in (seriously) 5 feet and accelerates vertically better than my electric AJSlick. It is also the fastest plane I have, I need a radar, but it must be doing 90 MPH anyway in a straight line, even with the 17-6. Any more speed than this will probably make it flutter or rip the wings off. The guys at the club say things like "Wow Gary, do you think you have enough motor on that thing"?

picard1 12-16-2010 11:07 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
I am building a GP Extra 300 for mine. If it runs as good as everyone says, I am thinking of a TF B-25 with Two DLE-20



Mike

zoaartcc 12-16-2010 11:41 AM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 


ORIGINAL: picard1

I am building a GP Extra 300 for mine. If it runs as good as everyone says, I am thinking of a TF B-25 with Two DLE-20



Mike
I can not wait to see that B-25 in the air. Can already hear those twin 20's screaming over the runway. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../msn/75_75.gif

My extra 300 will be on hold until after the X-mas Holiday. My work area will be used for family dinners. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...ssed_smile.gif

Dan


tonyob 12-16-2010 01:01 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 

Here are some pics of the DLE-20 on the UStick 60.
That looks a good setup. I've got a Great Planes Big Stik 60 I'm about to maiden (no dle20 sorry), Any comparison between the GP stik and the Ustick? Have been thinking a DLE20 could be good for my next 60 size stik.

cloudancer03 12-16-2010 02:20 PM

RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20
 
great thread.would love to see some video of the DLE20 at work! I had a ultrastick but they stopped making the arf.I would love to install the DLE20 in a warbird ..my dle30 is in my seagullextra 260 180.God its great to have gassers in our everyday planes without having to go giant ..not that is bad either but I dont plan to fly any glow next year other than my satios.I would love to see how the 20 works in the 68 3dh velox!! that might be my next plane although extreme flight is releasing a 60 inch extra soon..


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