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DrScoles 05-11-2013 06:23 AM

DLE 55 electric starter
 
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I just installed this on my top flite fw190. Pretty cool set up, no instructions. Did a quickie photo series. Its available from milehighrc.com

irocbsa 05-11-2013 06:26 AM

RE: DLE 55 electric starter
 
I have one on my EME 55. Works flawlessly. :)

av8tor1977 05-11-2013 01:16 PM

RE: DLE 55 electric starter
 
Well that's a pretty neat product for a very good price, and you made an excellent presentation of it.

I guess some of the scale guys would like it, as I would for a sport plane myself just for grins, but the 3D guys won't want the weight.

Cool.

AV8TOR

Whistling Death 05-11-2013 02:27 PM

RE: DLE 55 electric starter
 
They sell the starter and the controller separately. Why?

Chris Nicastro 05-11-2013 06:42 PM

RE: DLE 55 electric starter
 
I had to add 1lb14oz to the TF GS Corsair. How heavy is this set up with the battery you picked?

dasintex 05-11-2013 07:54 PM

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What Size of Battery does it require? Volts & Mah?

rcguy59 05-11-2013 09:16 PM

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Hi, Chris. Mike here. We met at the Flying Heritage Collection a few weeks ago. I have one of these starters on a DLE55 in a TF GS P-47. I use a 1800 mah 3S LiPo that will give 150+ starts on a charge. I was able to remove ALL of the nose weight. If you put the battery up front ahead of the firewall, you should be able to lose all of your ballast.

SWORDSN 05-12-2013 04:44 AM

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Who sells them and what is the cost?

SWORDSN 05-12-2013 04:47 AM

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Never mind I see it in the first post.

irocbsa 05-12-2013 06:26 AM

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For those inquiring about the weight of the system, the starter, battery (3S 1700 mAh), and relay added 1.1lbs to the nose of my ESM Fw-190. That allowed me to remove all of my ballast so it was a net weight gain of about 1 oz in the nose.

If you don't want to pay $30 for that controller, it's easy to rig up a system using a switch and an SPDT relay that will cost you all of $5. That's what I did since when I bought mine they had not release the controller yet.

Cheers to the OP for the nice write up!

av8tor1977 05-12-2013 09:25 AM

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1.1 lbs. is quite a bit actually. I wonder why they used a heavy, old tech, brushed motor??

Also, I think whomever designed it should have made it wider in one area or added a brace somehow so that it would automatically sit square on the engine. The OP's instructions show how it needs to be mounted square; this would be very important because it determines the gear lash between the reduction gear on the starter plate and the reduction gear mounted on the engine shaft.

But, all in all it is still neat. Could someone tell me what the outside diameter of the front snout on a DLE 55 is?? (Where the starter mounting plate goes.) I want to see if it will fit any of my engines that are not DLE 55's.

AV8TOR

irocbsa 05-12-2013 10:42 AM

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It's not that much for a short nosed warbird that need the nose weight anyway. Might as well add ballast with something functional. :D

av8tor1977 05-12-2013 11:43 AM

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Very true.

Front bearing snout outside diameter dimension anyone??

Thanks,
AV8TOR

capnduane 05-12-2013 04:08 PM

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My EME 55 is 1.54ins, 39.2mm outside diameter.

chadxp1 05-12-2013 04:22 PM

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is there a one way bearing in the idler gear or final gear? Obviously adding gears is going to rob power from the engine but Im not sure how much. You could even set this up to recharge you battery's if where a generatorhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../msn/49_49.gif

capnduane 05-12-2013 04:30 PM

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Starter has one way bearing. http://www.milehighrc.com/EME_E_Start.html

av8tor1977 05-12-2013 09:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: capnduane

My EME 55 is 1.54ins, 39.2mm outside diameter.

Is that a misprint? Do you mean "DLE" 55? If so, thanks!

AV8TOR

irocbsa 05-13-2013 03:33 AM

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No, he means EME. The DLE has the same dimension though. :)

av8tor1977 05-13-2013 10:52 AM

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Thanks,

AV8TOR

dasintex 05-13-2013 04:36 PM

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Would Pnuematic Brakes on the Main Gear on any of the 50cc size Warbird, like the TF FW190, P-40, etc; be enough to hold the Plane while the Engine ran up a bit, the reason I ask, how cool would it be if you had one of these Electric Starters in one of the these Warbirds and from your Radio you could totally start the Engine, run it up and taxi and take off without ever having to hold the plane, talk about a scale presentation.

av8tor1977 05-14-2013 12:32 PM

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I am afraid that two things would likely happen. One, since nearly all WW2 warbirds were taildraggers with the exception of the P-39, that when trying to run up the engine just against wheel brakes the airplane would just nose over and destroy an expensive prop. If that didn't happen, the wheels would almost certainly just slide when high power was supplied.

A while back I saw a video of a plane sitting on one of those big wooden starting stands. The stand was about 3 feet high or so, and had wheels on the front two legs, but not on the back two legs. It had two wood vertical uprights that the wing went up against. The guy starts up the plane, steps back from the stand, and adds power. Incredibly, he taxied the airplane AND the stand it was on to about 40 feet away. Even more incredibly, he then added rudder, turned the stand around, and taxied it back. This was all on a grass field where it would be tougher to drag the stand than it would be on pavement.

I just looked for half an hour and can't find that video. Anyone else here seen it?

EDIT: Never mind, I found it. I was wrong, it only has one back leg without a wheel that gets drug, but still....
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGfvi...layer_embedded

AV8TOR

dasintex 05-14-2013 01:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: av8tor1977

I am afraid that two things would likely happen. One, since nearly all WW2 warbirds were taildraggers with the exception of the P-39, that when trying to run up the engine just against wheel brakes the airplane would just nose over and destroy an expensive prop. If that didn't happen, the wheels would almost certainly just slide when high power was supplied.

AV8TOR
Yes, thats exactly what I figured would happen, nose over for sure, but how sweet it would look if it would work!

av8tor1977 05-14-2013 03:00 PM

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Maybe a tail hook device like carrier planes?? That could hold the plane while you ran it up....

AV8TOR

Todd D 05-14-2013 05:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: irocbsa

For those inquiring about the weight of the system, the starter, battery (3S 1700 mAh), and relay added 1.1lbs to the nose of my ESM Fw-190. That allowed me to remove all of my ballast so it was a net weight gain of about 1 oz in the nose.

If you don't want to pay $30 for that controller, it's easy to rig up a system using a switch and an SPDT relay that will cost you all of $5. That's what I did since when I bought mine they had not release the controller yet.

Cheers to the OP for the nice write up!
I want one of these for my TF GS P47, are you able to energize the SPDT relay to start to motor from your transmitter, or is it a physical on/off switch on the plane?

irocbsa 05-14-2013 05:21 PM

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The relay is a energized by a momentary switch that is depressed by a servo connected to the momentary switch on my transmitter.

Todd D 05-14-2013 05:26 PM

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understood, thanks

rcguy59 05-14-2013 05:36 PM

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Here's mine.
www.youtube.com/watch

av8tor1977 05-14-2013 09:39 PM

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That's just really cool.

sbrackets 05-27-2013 05:59 AM

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Hello All
This electric start really looks cool and the price isn't bad either. I'm going to be starting my giant TF P-47 build soon with a DLE 55RA and would like to add the ES to my plane. Is anyone on this thread using the ES with a DLE-55RA to know if it will work?

One of our club members just showed up at our field this past Saturday with one of these Electric starts on his Aeroworks Pitts with a DLE-55 side exhause and it worked like a champ. It was very impressive, All the fellows gathered around to watch it uncluding me :)

I will try to get some video soon of his plane and will add the video clip to this thread for you all.

No more hand flopping a prop in the HOT SUMMER SUN for me. he,he,he.

sbrackets 05-29-2013 07:09 AM

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Hey Guys
My buddy came out to the field on Monday to show of his Areoworks Pitts again with the Electric Start. I was able to ask some questions about the Start system and get some pics and video.

He told me that it's got some good safety built into it. Said the when you engage the starter it will only turn oner three times and stop. This is to prevent overheating of the ESC, and start motor.
The only item that needed attention was the magnet pick up for the ei. he had to open the slotted part of the mount to where it would slid back away from the prop hub 1/32" of a inch. He was afraid that the pickup was to close.

trouble loading video without Youtube, so let me edit it and put it up on YT and you'll see it later today.

Oh yeah! one more thing that I might add. The large gears only spin when the engine is starting. Once the engine is started the only part that is turning is the one way bearing on the engine shaft that comes with the kit.

Here is the video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwaDWdQh3xw



Enjoy Jim

jwrich 06-26-2013 10:40 AM

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I also have the new DLE 35 RA, I wonder if it would fit on it. I plan to install it on a Balsa USA SPAD XIII and I will need the extra weight. I do plan on ordering one of these units for my 55, it will go on a 1/4 scale Mister Mulligan.

Thanks
Rich

emengines 06-28-2013 07:23 AM

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Note gear backlash, the gear must add oil!!

jwrich 06-29-2013 06:42 AM

RE: DLE 55 electric starter
 
What type oil would you use? A light machine oil maybe or grease? Thanks for the information. Another question, what is the voltage and type of battery is use with this starter system. Also will it fit on the DLE 35?

Thanks
Rich

dasintex 10-15-2013 03:36 PM

I know you need a 1800 to 2500 MaH 3S Lipo, but how high of a Continuous Discharge: 10C, 30C, 60C ? And what about a Burst Discharge Amount?

RAMFlyer 10-15-2013 04:51 PM

A dimension question: What is the distance from center of the prop hub on the DLE 55 to the outside of the starter? Want to see if I can fit one in the cowl of a SkyShark P40!!

radfordc 10-15-2013 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by av8tor1977 (Post 11511601)
I am afraid that two things would likely happen. One, since nearly all WW2 warbirds were taildraggers with the exception of the P-39, that when trying to run up the engine just against wheel brakes the airplane would just nose over and destroy an expensive prop. If that didn't happen, the wheels would almost certainly just slide when high power was supplied.

I've watched Corsairs, P-51's, etc do runups at airshows. They limit the power to a level that doesn't cause the problems listed above. Why would it be different for a scale model with the same CG and gear geometry? You certainly wouldn't be able to do a full power runup.

Now, if you have a Spitfire and want to do a scale runup, you will need a scale mechanic riding on the tail while you do it.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1111081

RAMFlyer 10-18-2013 04:04 PM

Ok Guys, I can't get MileHighRC to answer their emails so, ONCE AGAIN, I'll ask: Does anyone have the measurement from the centerline of the engine crankshaft to the outside of the starter motor on this electric starter???? I would like to use it on a DLE55 on a SkyShark P40 but want it to fit within the cowl. Everything I have seen this starter used on has had a round cowl (P47; Pitts)...

airbornrc 10-18-2013 05:26 PM

Why do you need to run the engine up to high power levels? Warm it at a high idle and go fly. Run it up first start of the day to make sure everything is ok. I know I will catch a bunch of flak for that but a properly tuned motor should be good to go with no run up.

Mark

jwrich 10-18-2013 07:51 PM

Sorry Ramflyer, I didn't answer sooner, it is late here . I will measure it tomorrow morning. I have one mounted on a Mr. Mulligan. It does not extend more than 3/4 inch the muffler. Ram

Rich

jwrich 10-20-2013 08:12 AM

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Ramflyer . I measured from the center of the engine to the outside of the starter motor, 3 /18" Here are some pictures. As you can see the starter motor is less than the muffler and no higher than engine stand off mounts. I bought mine from Mile high RC. I did have problems, first bad controller, they sent new one, then the starter motor just stopped working, they sent another one. All in all, Mike from Mile High was very helpful and made his products good. Mile High is another good company to buy from, I trust them and Mike was great. This should fit inside the cowl of your P-40.

Rich
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