Flying Geezer

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Just acquired the new Hanger 9 Extra 260. Didn't even know it existed until today. 78" span, all built up, and complete hardware. This one is worth considering.

Big surprise! Carbon fiber mains and tailwheel assembly. Robart style hinging, (already drilled), anodized wing and stab tubes, Rocket city type horns with ball links.

It also includes a Hanger 9 beam mount, wheels, tank, (already plumbed for glow - that'll have to be re-done), instrument panel decal. Axles, wheel collers, pull-pull rigging, and I am probably leaving something out.

One more thing I like is the 1/4 X 20 wing bolts with big washer-like heads, and knobs on the heads. No more tools down inside the fuse trying to get those wing bolts in.

May be a while getting it together, lots of irons in the fire.

vertical ts

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Did you order it,or do you have one in your possession.Picts would be cool:-)

50%plane

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Hanger9 really outdid themselves on this one. This plane proves why Hanger9 is the best ARF producer in the market. I can't wait to see pictures of this one.

Flying Geezer

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May have pics tomorrow. No, I didn't order this one. My local hobby shop is on a fast track for all new H9 craft. He doesn't even order, they just send him the first one, and at a discount. I saved $$.

bodywerks

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I am sure the quality is good, but if you put a 50cc engine in it, it will be too heavy. 15 lbs for only 1130 squares is a too high for killer performance, IMO...this thing need a YS160DZ to bring the weight down around 11.5-12 lbs to fly really well, otherwise it will fly about as good as the GP Patty Crapstaff I bet. A 32 ounce wingloading for this size plane is just too high.
I am still considering one, but only if there are places to go on a diet with it. It needs to be 11.5 pounds dry for me to be happy with it. I already have the best 50cc aircraft that money can buy, and has a kite-like 24 ounce wingloading, and is way bigger than this plane and still only weighs 15.2 pounds, but I really like the looks of the 260, especially this one...I just can't justify downgrading in performance...

Let us know if there are places that look overbuilt or just plain heavy. I don't mind spending a little time to get it where I want it, but it has to be possible first.

vertical ts

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Thanks Geezer,That means they are shipping.A buddy of mine has one on order

Flying Geezer

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I'm going with a BME 44. If I can keep it down to 15.5 lbs that will be about 32oz per sq. in.. I have flown them a lot heavier with good performance. I agree that the light wing loading adds a lot to 3D and landings. The biggest problem I have had with glow engines on the bigger planes is heavy in the tail. I hate to put lead on a plane.

The 260 seems pretty light. Offhand I thing 13 to 14 lbs is possible with the 44 and 3 battery packs. I'd be real happy with13 - 14. No overbuilding, lightening holes galore, the turtle decks are 1/4 inch molded foam with balsa sheeting, the bottom is all stringers, but I really doubt 12.5 is possible with gas.

On the bright side for your taste, the aft is really built light, so a YS or Saito could still provide enough power without requiring much lead. That new Saito 2.2 would really be great on this bird if you don't mind the fuel cost.

Flyfalcons

Not to rag on anyone here, but I find the guys that constantly worry about "the numbers" are the ones who need to spend less time calculating and more time flying.

bodywerks

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Oh, I fly and have been for 20 years. I flew giant scale when the it was starting to become popular. I flew an Ace extra, around 30% that weighed like 24 pounds and only 1400 squares. I calculate all the time because I know what flies good and what flies heavy. If the wing loading calculates too high then I know I will not be happy.
I had a GP Giles 202 with just under or around 110 squares. Most were building them at 14-15 pounds with big mokis and what not. I got mine down to 10 3/4 pounds with a 140L on it...beleive me, the difference is very noticeable.

vertical ts

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Geezer,
I am sure you will be fine with any weight you come in at.Mike Mcconville designed this plane for a wide variety of motors and if they are going to spen the time to bring it to market,then you know it was tested throughly and passed.I have a DP extra with a DA50,Alot of people say they suck because they are not made for gassers and they are heavy,mine is great!Enjoy,its a hobby after all

Flying Geezer

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I calculate a lot more accurately than I fly, but I do consider weight when looking at a new ship. Some of the ARF's I have owned were definitely TOO heavy. I am not concerned with 15.5 lbs, but would like less. I have done a little weighing, and gestimate that I may come in at about 14 lbs.

I have a few pics here if I can get them to upload. If this one uploads, I'll try some more.

Flyfalcons

I have a design I've been working on that should bring the loading down to about 6-8 ounces per square foot. Anyone interested?

Flying Geezer

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Here's more. You can see it's all stringers and lightening holes.

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Trying again.

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Here's a look inside the foam sheeted turtledeck.

Flying Geezer

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Here's a picture of the scale which is loaded with everything that comes in the box, except the packing. With the 44 and airborne pack I think I can keep it around 14 lbs. That's 8 lbs 1 ounce if you can't read the scale. Admittedly, it's an old cooking scale, not a digital postal scale, but this should give you a rough start on calculating final weight.

Flyfalcons

[sm=thumbup.gif] I did get to see this model up close in the back of Mike M's truck at a local IMAC event. Looks like a great plane and once I move to Greensboro I'm planning on getting one for my Brison 3.2. Mike had a DA-50 in his with what looked like a can muffler. With the two piece wing and removable tail it should be very easy to transport in nearly any vehicle.

Flying Geezer

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Ryan, there is a cutaway in the first former, under the engine box, for a can muffler to extend back into the fuse, and a bottom hatch arrangement for the exhaust. I am not going this route with the BME.

There is an option on the rudder servo. A tray near the C.G. and a cut-away to put in under one of the elevator servos. With the Brison you may not have to bother with the pull-pull. I'm going to balance before I decide, the 44 is pretty light.

vatechguy3

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are the stabs glue in, or are they removable??

can you take a pic of the can tunnel and the air exit on the bottom of the fuse please??

thanks
tony

Flying Geezer

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The stabs are on a nice anodized tube with anodized anit-rotation pins, Tony.

I think I can best show you the can installation with the manual. You have to cut these out, but it's designed with cut-aways to make it easy.

Hope this helps,

Flying Geezer

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Here's another try to upload, Tony.

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I just ordered one it will be here wednsday. Has anyone thought of an OS 160 for this plane?

Flying Geezer

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The 1.60 ought to pull it with authority.

bodywerks

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The build quality does look nice, I must admit. I think I will wait while and see how others fly with different powerplants befor I decide on one...

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I was thinking it is about a pound less than most gassers and will swing a 20X6 prop it might be a good choice to keep it light as possible.