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Hanger 9 80" CAP

Old 03-11-2003, 03:15 AM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Jimmy,
Yea- it's true. Weighed it again on a large postal scale. 16 3/4 pounds. The brison 3.2 is not a really heavy engine (3.25 lbs without muffler). I would sure like to see the Hangar 9 prototype that came out at 14 lbs. (or even 15)- I don't believe it!!!
Does anyone on this thread have one of these with a DA or ZDZ 50 and if so how much does yours weigh?

Erik
Old 03-11-2003, 03:22 AM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Eric,

I am thinking about getting carbon fiber landing gear and tail wail assemble.

Does anybody know who sells carbon gear for THIS plane??

The optimal weight that I want is 15 and a 1/2 pounds or lighter..

Ohh does anybody sell a 3"carbon fiber spinner???

Thanks
Jim
Old 03-11-2003, 03:49 AM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Jimmy,check out www.petemodel.com that's where I get mine(spinner)He doesn't list a 3" on his site,but drop him an E-Mail and ask him,maybe he'll do it for you.Eric,we are going out Wed am early,if you can make it.
Mike.
Old 03-11-2003, 05:20 AM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Mine with the DA50, aluminum spinner and 22X10 Mejzlik prop weighs 16lbs 2oz.
You folks that have 'em flying, what are you using for elevator low rates?
Why the switch from inches to degrees is beyond me.
Also, where are your cg's ending up at since we have a 1 1/8 inch range. Mine is 6 1/4 without lead.

Dave
Old 03-11-2003, 02:23 PM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Dave,
I am using the prescribed low rates from the manual. They seem to be sufficient for non-3d. The thinking behind the degrees is that 45 degrees is 45 degrees regardless of where you measure.

My CG is at 6 1/2 and I think it's feeling a little too tail heavy. Mine snapped a couple of times out of some slow maneuvers- kinda scary. I'll know for sure after some more flying time.

Erik
Old 03-11-2003, 02:32 PM
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Default Carbon fiber main and tail gear

To all who are interested:

Here is a link for a company who manufactures beautiful carbon fiber gears for the H9 80" Cap:

http://www.graphtechrc.com/default.asp

The main gear sells for 44.95
Tail gear is 29.95

Erik
Old 03-11-2003, 02:33 PM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

I'm flying mine at 6.5" back (CG) and it hasn't any snapping tendencies.....for carbon fiber lg check out www.graphtechrc.com for some prices.

Jerry
Old 03-11-2003, 03:37 PM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

I was concerned with the LOW rates not high. I use the "all you can get" method for 3D. My question was with the low rates, manual states 14 degrees and I no way to measure that. I will just "eyeball it" using past cap experience.

Dave
Old 03-11-2003, 04:27 PM
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If you download that page from the Web site, it will be in inches!

Don't know why they published it in degrees....

Jerry
Old 03-11-2003, 08:12 PM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Thanks Jerry, I got it.

I see they lowered the price, I feel much better paying $110 more for mine

Dave
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Mike

Please weigh that landing gear. Tell me how much it weighs.

We will compare it to the carbon gear.
Old 03-14-2003, 09:25 PM
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Does anyone have any pictures of a DA-50 or a zdz-50 on this plane mounted.

Jim
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I just picked up a CG main landing gear from GraphTech - I'm planning on putting it on tonight - I'll weigh it before I do!

Jerry

GraphTech (937-361-1018) or www.graphtechrc.com
Old 03-14-2003, 11:20 PM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

I assembled one for a customer last fall. Easily one of the highest quality ARFs I've ever seen - went together perfectly.

Weighed 15 lbs 2 oz with a Moki 2.1 and Bisson muffler.
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Got to fly mine this morning, cool plane/engine combo!

First lets remove the term"snappy cap" as this thing can be slowed way, way down and only drops its nose when stalling. Other than having too much down thrust and being a little nose heavy the plane is great so far.

I got four flights on it and was giving' her hell on the last one. Upright or inverted flatspins look like a dog chasing it's tail on fast forward. Knife edge spins very fast also, but I was having trouble getting it to start. Just not familiar yet I guess. The rudder is very powerful but I had an extra HS5945 and used that.

Knife edge loops are non issue but there is a fair amount of pitch. One things for sure, even though the ailerons are not double beveled max throw is almost too much. Taxing around the plane feels like it wants go over on its nose but my field is not the smoothest place to fly.

The DA50 pulls this thing around very well. Looking forward to flying more this weekend and get a few things ironed out. Also,
I'm using the Bisson muffler and cut 1/4'' off each tube and gained 300 rpm.

Dave
Old 03-16-2003, 12:35 AM
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Default Here is some more informtion

I just got my 80" H9 CAP232 ready to fly. It has a FOX 3.2 up front(not my choosing, it came with the plane, I bought it used). 9204 servo's on the elevator and rudder and 645mg's on the wings. I just weighed it and it came in at about 16.4lbs. I could lighten it a little by going to lighter batteries. I plan on flying it in the morning. The CG with the batteries up front was at the 5-1/2" mark, 1/4" further back than I wanted for the first flight. Oh well, you can't have everything, I didn't want to add weight.

Wish me luck tomorrow,
Ernie
Old 03-16-2003, 02:11 AM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Ernie,
It seems like most people who are using gas motors with this plane are over 16 pounds so that's not unusual. What is unusual is your CG location. The manual recommends CG to be 6 1/8" to 7" from the leading edge. If what you say is true you will be way way nose heavy! Mine is at 6 1/2 and flies beautifully.

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Old 03-16-2003, 02:25 AM
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Default The manual I downloaded

The manual I downloaded from Horizon's website, says 5-1/4" to 4-1/8". I have a post with that question and one guy said they changed the CG location and I don't know which is correct. I just moved the battery from the rear to the front to move into the recommend CG location. I am confused. Go to Horizons site and take a look at the manual that you can download.

I am really confused now. Maybe I should move it back where it was. I want to fly it in the morning.
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Mke sure you are looking at the correct manual....they offer a 72" cap also...my manual states something near the 6-7" location.

Jerry
Old 03-16-2003, 06:21 PM
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61/8 to7 is the correct CG. The downloaded manual on Horizon is incorrect. 61/2 is perfect!
Old 03-16-2003, 09:32 PM
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I also noticed the recommended throws are stated different in the printed manual when compared to the down loadable copy. The download is stated in inches and the printed in degrees. They may be the same. Any recommendations.TIA.
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Default My flight experience today

I flew about 4 tanks through it today before the rain started. It seems to require a little too much down elevator to maintain level flight inverted. However I had a couple of un-commanded quarter snaps while pulling out of dives (my CG is set to 6-1/4". It is also pitch un-stable on landings even with 30% expo on low rates. My low rates are about 1-1/2" up and down measured at the rudder end. Other than those problems it flew pretty well, it does a really nice flat spin, water falls and knife edges ( I am using way more than the recommend rudder travel on low rates). As a matter of fact I just left the rudder on high rates and added expo. One unique thing it does, when you do a hammer head, if you use too much rudder it does a water fall, don't ask!! Over all it flys good, not as good as my 1/3 scale though. I think I will put a smaller battery on my receiver. That will lower the weight a little and move the CG forward a bit. Hope this dribble helps a little.

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Old 03-17-2003, 04:34 AM
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Default Hanger 9 80" CAP

Sounds like you have to much throw on your low rates if you have 1 1/2 inch each way 7/8 inch would probably be better on low rates. A Cap doesn't need much.
Old 03-17-2003, 03:21 PM
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Ernie,
the elevator low rates should be set to do a nice loop at full throw with no snaping IMO.
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Ernie,
If you are really concerned about eliminating weight you can get a 3" carbon fiber spinner from petemodel.com and carbon fiber main and tail gears from graphtechrc.com. The Graphtech main gears will save you ~3 ozs. over the aluminum gear. The carbon fiber spinner will allow you to remove some lead from the tail (if you used any). I was also concerned after mine came out over 16 lbs.

Erik

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