Best engine for Byron staggerwing
 

folks I have a Byron Stagger that needs an engine she is fully equipped and built nice a bit heavy for todays specs but all in all very sound aircraft and I would like to know what would be the best powerplant i.e. 30cc to 60cc if this plane would fly with a G-38 or would it explode with a G-62 for example , with all the new chinese 50cc class engines on the market right now for under 300 bucks its not practical to buy a DA or any other exotic 50cc class engine at this time but there are alot of Q35-52 out there and Zenoah G-38 & 45's out there but if anyone has any input about hte best size sure would be appreceated.

Also did the full scale have the ailerons on the top wings and the flaps were on the bottom like the ailerons? mine has the flaps on the bottom and I thought they were ailerons but are set up as flaps, is this right? :eek:

thanks,
Forrest
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RE: Best engine for Byron staggerwing
 

How about the Robart Radial. http://www.robart.com/R780/r780tech.aspx

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I haven't owned a Stagger Wing but have seen a few fly very well on a G45 . It seemed to be the prefered engine back in the day .
Any of the import 50 cc class engines should be a good match as well.

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Hi,,, I had that model about 16 years ago. I used a G-38 in it and it flew well. Wish I still had it. But some guy wanted it real real bad and made me an offer I could not refuse.
But anyway a engine like a G-38 over even a bit larger might do........G-62???????? NA!!

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Full scale has the flaps on the bottom wing and the ailerons on the top wing.

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mobyal,

Not sure what that has to do with engine selection, but point in fact: that is true, except for the early models, which were reversed.

Gotta love this plane ... can you spell Ziroli?!

Bedford

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Hey Bedford
If you take a look at the original post, that's the question he asked in the second paragraph. Plus the Byron is the "G:" model, to the best of my recollection, so it'd be configured that way. The "Staggerbeech" surely is a wonderful airplane, one of my favorites. I had a set of the Ziroli plans, and had a kit cut for them by Precision Cut Kits, but it looked really complicated to build, just like the real one! LOL So I sold them and went w/ the GP ARF, which is a really fine piece of work.
If you ever get the chence, the Beech Heritage Museum in Tullahoma TN has a flyin every October that can really be spectacular!
Al

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Local hot shot Chuck Collier has been flying them for years with a G-62 and it provides all the power you could ever need. I've no doubt that anthing around 45 to 60 cc's would be just fine.

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I too have a Byron Staggerwing, professionally built.
After hearing reports of one flying just this past week with a G-38 for power, I have chosen to power mine the same way. The G-38 pro
vided more than enough power to fly the plane prototypicaly. Not too fast with enough vertical performance to do loops from level flight.
I too know Chuck Colier. The G-62 that he flys make the Staggerwing into a racer, BUT, too fast is not fast enough for Chuck.
Hope to have the engine mounted this week.
One question, does the Stagger ask for engine offset and do you think that the Byron motor mount will hold the G-38?
Thanks for any and all help.
Bosstom

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Wonder if anyone has tried the evolution GT-36? It's a bit lighted than the G-38 and suppose to outpull it?? I think this will be the engine of choice when I build my Byron staggerwing. Later. Hooker53

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Here's mine. It's powered by a Saito 2.70 (45cc) and flies very well. No lead needed to balance.

Al knows his stuff about the Staggerwing and is right as usual, the ailerons are on the top wing and the flaps are on the bottom for this model.

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GageeBees, Thats a great shot of your Stagger. Well that settles it for the engine. I was wondering if I should try my new GT-36 or my 270. What size tank do you use and how long will it run on your tank? I need to find a set of retracts and I will be complete. Thanks roy

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Thanks Roy. I went with a 28 ounce tank. The 2.70 will run a solid 10 minutes at wide open throttle but I rarely open it up much more than 3/4. It'll take off at just over half throttle and is happy cruising around at that setting as well.

Here's a set of retracts for sale: http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=488937

You can also order them from Iron Bay.

You're really going to love how well this plane flies. It's one of my favorites.

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GaGeeBees, Thats cool on the tank. Yes-I'v tried to talk to that man about his retracts. He just want too much for them. I'v seen sev. for anywhere from 119.00 to 156.00. I would deal with him but he is steadfast on his price. All the stuff I'v read about the Byron retracts is they are just strong enough for the model. I think some have beafed them up. I have a machine shop and If I have to will make a set. Feel free to send some more photo's of yours sometimes. Roy

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Yeah, he's asking WAY too much for his Byron Staggerwing as well (and the paint job isn't even finished). I haven't had any problems with the Byron retracts in terms of strength. They seem to be adequate. I'll take some pics of it next chance I get.

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GaGee, there should be some other companys out there that makes a retract that will work. It would be nice to have the stock scale ones but if I can find some thjat will go in the model, I bet I can make them look stock scale. Thanks for the photo's in the future.

Roy

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Here are some pics. They aren't great. I can take some better ones when next I have it out and work on it. I'm rewiring, replacing the onboard ignition and replacing the windshield this spring.

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Manthanks for the pics. That helped alot. What onboard glow are you using on yours? I'm trying to get a 1/3 scale N-17 done and than about a weak to rework the nose on a turbine jet so I can tear into my stagger kit!! Thanks for all your help with this classic!!!


Roy

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I've been using McDaniel/SonicTronics onboard glow units and have been really happy with them. Here's a link to their website and the two cylinder unit: http://www.sonictronics.com/xcart/pr...cat=309&page=1

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I built a Byron Staggerwing in 1990 - and still have it in flyable storage. I built it as the orignal full-kit-concept from Byron, with the (then very popular, and probably only available large model commercially available gasser) Q-35. It was built per the plans with a 6' right thrust. That was accomplished via a wood wedge between the Byron mount and the firewall, and the whole thing was off center to port so that the prop hub would be centered in the cowl. Mine weighed 18 pounds and it needed about 1/2 lb of wheelweights in the tail cone to get it balanced. Never had any troubles - the plane flew very, very well. It was a bit getting used to on the takeoff run, but I solved that with exponential on the rudder. The Q-35 is heavy for the power you get, but it flies it very realistically with enough power for acro too. It flies like a pattern plane, very stable, on rails. Flaps on the lower wing and ailerons up top is correct for the G-17S. I always took off with the flaps down just a little for margin, and on landing, full flaps were about 40 degrees - it will balloon on you, so mix in some down elevator, about 5 percent. I used all standard servos, but doubled them on elevator. No issues with the retracts either - plenty strong. Only caution - if you choose to use a soda bottle for an air cylinder, wrap it with fiberglass packing tape for safety. These days, there are large scale air reservoirs available or you can install 2 standard tanks on a tee fitting. I also installed airline reducers in the return lines to the mains to slow the gear to realistic speed. Originally, when they went up or down I thought they would go straight up thru the cockpit they went up so hard and fast. Coming down I thought they would eject off of the plane. Slowing them down saves you that worry, and it looks real too. It was (and is) a great model. If Iron Bay decides to ever offer them again, I may just have to have a 'do- over'.

Good luck - please post some videos of her!

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Navy from Fisherville, Thanks for all your input. Now you and GaGee really has me wanting to be done with this 1/3 scale project!!! GaGee, I run a Electro Dynam unit on my Saito 325 and it's a lot lighter than the Mac's. Have one of these on a 1/4 scale Fleet biplane. Little wonder of an eninge. Thanks again.

Roy

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Navy Flyer, care to elaborate a bit more on the problems you had with takeoff runs?

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Howdy..after many years I started on this Byron Staggerwing kit. I found a discrepency between the plans and the building manual,with regards to the Delrin bearing plate supports. On page 13 of the manual it says to use the smaller F10 for the ailerons,but on the plans page 5 it shows the bigger F 9 for the ailerons.

Also for the flaps, the manual page 14 shows the bigger F9, but on the plans page 6 it shows show the smaller F10.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Regards Al

RE: Best engine for Byron staggerwing
 

anyone interested in buying a rtf byron staggerwing? have pics it is in aRAF paint scheme

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Maybe. Send me a PM with the details and price.