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Old 06-19-2014, 07:58 PM
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So Evolution engines no longer has any glow engines smaller than a 40, Great Planes is looking like its on the outs with both Super Tigre and Thunder Tiger and so where does that leave small glow engines ? Great Planes discontinued OS 4 strokes smaller than a 56. You can still get a Saito 40 I suppose which is great but we are running out of options her in the states, unless you want an OS. Even then your options are dwindling.
I realize you can still get some stuff overseas but wouldn't it be nice to be able to get some stuff here?
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Jeffie, it's ridiculously easy to get engines like the Saito 30 from England. Besides, Evolution only made the 36 as their under 40 engine. It may be more of a drying up of small kits/ arfs for glow. That's electric territory nowadays. The puny stuff.
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Order direct from Enya. Fantastic engines and much superior to OS in the smaller sizes (09 to 25) in my opinion. Better fit and finish, great power, flawless idle, plus no plastic backplates. Great parts support as well. I have recently received parts for an old 1960's era Enya .09 engine. No one provides that level of parts support that I know of.

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I know, electric territory, but I don't have to like it.
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Originally Posted by 049flyer View Post
Order direct from Enya. Fantastic engines and much superior to OS in the smaller sizes (09 to 25) in my opinion. Better fit and finish, great power, flawless idle, plus no plastic backplates. Great parts support as well. I have recently received parts for an old 1960's era Enya .09 engine. No one provides that level of parts support that I know of.
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I believe Enya makes a .36 4-stroke in both Glow and Diesel, AAC cylinder construction. They also make the small 2-strokes with great parts support. Depending on the day, the exchange rate can be a bit high to the Yen but I'd spend my money there before I buy from any of the other Japanese engine companies without question.
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The distributors are only going to supply what sells quickly. If there is little market for smaller IC engines, they will (are) disappear from the marketplace.

Vendors like mecoa http://www.mecoa.com/kb/aero/aircraft.htm may soon be the only places to purchase smaller sized engines
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Don't forget AP, ASP, Magnum and Norvel (NV) . I think Global Distributors, Hobbypartz, Hobby King, or Hobby People may have some of these in stock randomly. If you don't buy them, no one will carry them. I would say there is Fox, but that seems to have dried up now too. Cox is still kicking, as well as Novarossi Cyclon and Fora. MMMMM Novarossi.

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I understand that even sales of electric motors is down. Though quadcopter sales are up. The latest generation would rather buy a quadcopter that they can control with their cell phone.
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I am grabbing all the glow engines I can , the Thunder Tiger GP18 got away from me for example. It was on the market for how long? Either it was a complete POS(which I find hard to believe from a TT product) or the timing of its release was just horrible.
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I understand that even sales of electric motors is down. Though quadcopter sales are up. The latest generation would rather buy a quadcopter that they can control with their cell phone.
That is fun. Just being honest, but it's a blast to fly FPV indoors. A student brought his and I got to fly it. The AR Drone is addictive. If you dig into the info you can find videos on storing GPS waypoints, programming flight paths, doing obstacle avoidance, and auto searching for placards of certain colors. The programming possibilities are endless. You can literally program one to take off on autopilot in your office on an upper floor, fly down stairwells, and follow hallways to film someone else in their office and return to your desk. I almost convinced my boss to let us teach a class on flying and programming these things. I'm not an electric guy, but I did teach a course on flying indoor electrics so I made good money doing that. I really wish we could have gone the quad copter route for classes.
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Gee, that's possibly why I bought all the glow engines I could before retiring. They are sitting on a shelf just waiting for me to play!
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Did Fox say they would make new engines when they catch up on their contract orders? I didn't ask but though maybe someone else did. Also is Mecoa ever going to make anything again?
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The whole world is changing fellows. But, notice I did not say for the better.
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Anyone that wants a glow engine go to a swap meet in the fall or winter. There are tons of them....way to many to even count.
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Nice stuff here...
http://www.planethobby.com/collections
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Glow in general is fading away, now w the advent of bigger electrics and their ease to use, everybody is coming to the dark side
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With the 10cc, 20cc, and 30cc gas engines, big glow is fading even faster. It's just cheaper to run gas. Glow will hold the .40cu to .60cu niche for a while but is definitely getting squeezed from the small end by electric and big end by gas. I was at a swap meet, and this was a couple years ago, and a guy had 1.8cu big-***** glow engine, he almost had to give it away; I think he got maybe $35 for it. It just costs to much for glow fuel to run it.
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Originally Posted by learn2turn View Post
With the 10cc, 20cc, and 30cc gas engines, big glow is fading even faster. It's just cheaper to run gas. Glow will hold the .40cu to .60cu niche for a while but is definitely getting squeezed from the small end by electric and big end by gas. I was at a swap meet, and this was a couple years ago, and a guy had 1.8cu big-***** glow engine, he almost had to give it away; I think he got maybe $35 for it. It just costs to much for glow fuel to run it.
If glow fuel wasn't so expensive in many parts of the country (or world for that matter) if would be more cost effective or nearly so as gasoline. Methanol engines use twice the fuel as a gasoline engine but makes 30-50% more power while doing it. When gas is $3.65/gal and methanol is $2.65/gal, it kinda ends up being a wash when you factor in the cost of the oil and the extra methanol needed to run a glow engine. Of course the glow fuel companies are charging $18-28/gal for fuel and then due to government mandated hazmat charges, the final cost of a gallon of fuel is almost $40 up here. If a guy is crafty and can mix his own fuel, you can spend half or less on the same amount of fuel. It's cheaper for me to make my own glow fuel than to convert everything to gas. Besides, gas stinks and the sound of a weed wacker or chainsaw is annoying. Glow engines have a different bark that is more pleasing to my ears. I will be attending the biannual swap meets this fall and next spring. I'm gonna load up on my favorite brands and really get a collection going.

For S's & G's I'm gonna fire up my big Fox twin cylinder 1.20 this weekend. 2oz/min at WOT. It's set up with high nitro heads (15-25%). I'm making new heads to set it up for 0-5% fuel so it should suck a bit less fuel. I could only imagine how much fuel a guy could burn in a day using 25% nitro and two 10cc cylinders let alone a 1.8 or 2.2.
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I love to go to swap meets and buy glow engines for pennies on the dollar from all the guys switching over to gas or electric. I just agree with them that nobody will buy their engines, better sell me that NIB .46FX for $20.00 while you still can!

Glow fuel around here is under $20 per gallon and as most of my planes are .15 size and smaller, a case of fuel goes a looooong way!

Glow is cheap as long as you restrain yourself from big engines and big planes.
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r View Post
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I believe Enya makes a .36 4-stroke in both Glow and Diesel, AAC cylinder construction. They also make the small 2-strokes with great parts support. Depending on the day, the exchange rate can be a bit high to the Yen but I'd spend my money there before I buy from any of the other Japanese engine companies without question.
Can you still get Enya engines ? They were great engines ! Maybe they are around. Not here in the USA
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I love the smell of nitro. ��
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To add in the marine world .21 or 3.5 cc is a popular class. Inboard and outboard . But the FE class is getting real big
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CMB and OPS don't rule out
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Can you still get Enya engines ? They were great engines ! Maybe they are around. Not here in the USA
Order Enya engines direct from Japan. Smallest 2-stroke is an .09, smallest 4-stroke is a .36. That is if you don't find them for sale on RCU or eBay. I've gotten all of my Enyas from RCU classifieds NIB for rockin prices. My R120-4C and 60-4C were a bit pricey but worth the money. They are beautiful engines. I'd love to get my hands on an Ultra 11CX for my trainer. 6.7oz, 22k top revs, and ABC.
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I am going to look at E Bay for the heck of it.

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