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Old 11-13-2007, 06:05 PM
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Jan, excellent job on your collector ring!! [sm=thumbup.gif]
Old 11-13-2007, 06:27 PM
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Hi NilsReinert...

The ASP-400 will fitt perfectly inside he cowl of the Sist FW-190A8.. I know this, because I have this plane
under construction, and was initially to use the ASP-400.... But then I found the Seidel ST-770 NIB :-)


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Old 11-13-2007, 08:34 PM
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how about a Jack Devine FW190 or his P47? You might have problems getting a kit from him but they always seem to show up here on RCU......Glad to hear about the ASP, more good news.
Old 11-13-2007, 09:11 PM
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Well just got back from the field..The engine ran strong once I got fuel to it but my ignitor battery didn't hold out for a second run. The engine seemed ready to go but fuel and spark was more of the issue causing a short trip without much break in. I'll try again in a few days. Despite these teething problems the engine did sound very good. Quite ferocious with just the short exhaust headers.....

I think next flying seasons going to be a lot of fun!
Old 11-13-2007, 09:21 PM
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you guys are giving me a "woody" with all these good ASP run reports, I need to run mine
Old 11-14-2007, 12:18 AM
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AO: Those two large dry cells I first used did not last long either. I next made up a 6-cell battery from C-size NiCd cells of 2000 mAh each connected in parallel for a 10000 mAh battery pack. Plenty of power. Don't forget, you are trying to keep 6 plugs lit at the same time. Big draw down on the starting battery.

Ram-bro: I looked at my notes I took when running my ASP400. I have nothing written about the LSN. I only made notes about the HSN. So mine must have been set fairly decently from the factory. Either that, or I read the manual, adjusted it, and left it without writing any notes. I just don't remember. But in any case, mine idled okay during those break-in runs.

Old 11-14-2007, 12:52 AM
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Thanks Kmot......
Old 11-14-2007, 02:31 AM
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Hi Kmot and others, may be this is of some help regarding the glow battery: There is a SANYO NiMh Cell with 10,000mAh, its name is "HR-DU 10Ah", I made an inquiry some weeks ago because we want to build some electric powered motorcycles with Moto Guzzi frames and 30KW Perm brushless motor at 120V. The single cell will cost about 11.00 Euros here in Germany, perhaps You can get it anywhere...

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Old 11-14-2007, 06:06 AM
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Gnome, here is a link to the HR-DU I found, but is does not show to be 10000mah [link]http://sanyo.wslogic.com/pdf/pdfs/HR-DU.pdf[/link]
Old 11-14-2007, 06:30 AM
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Gnome: Thanks for the carb insert info.. I`ll fire up my lathe an turn an insert this evening.
I`m shure this will fix my carb problem..

Mfg Sandman

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Hi Chasman, the HR-DU 10A cell is new, here is the link: http://www.sanyo.co.jp/energy/englis...twicell_2.html . The 9000mAh cell will be discontinued and replaced by the 10000mAh type. After all I think it would be best to build a glow unit by combining two NiMh cells in series to 24V with a voltage regulator, that stabilizes at 1.5V. This would use the complete capacity of the cells down to discharge end voltage of 0.9V per cell. I will test such an unit next week or so and will report, whether it works.

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Old 11-14-2007, 10:55 AM
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Gnome: I have already purchased a single cell "F" size NiMh battery @ 12000 mAh. It has been surpassed now by a 14000 mAh version but the 12000 is still available. My plan was to use the single cell as the onboard power supply for the glow plugs when the engine is installed in an airframe.

http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...ROD&ProdID=834
Old 11-14-2007, 02:59 PM
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Gnome that would be a helpful test. I am looking to use one 6 lead glow for 2 saito 170's in my Tigercat. I was looking at the McDaniels unit.
Old 11-14-2007, 04:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: Ram-bro

how about a Jack Devine FW190 or his P47? You might have problems getting a kit from him but they always seem to show up here on RCU......Glad to hear about the ASP, more good news.
Hei! That fw 190 looks interesting , do you mean they are for sale in the "buy" section here on RCU? I checked out Devine`s web page ,and sendt him a mail ,so we `ll see if he reply

Sandman ,The fw from Sist looks great ,but it is also expensive I see they have it on our norwegian rc shop.. ,rcflight.com.

Right now i am finishing my dora 9 from topflite ,using a RCV90SP. My 90 R3 fits under the cowl ,but i will use the RCV ,due to more power ,and swinging bigger 3 blade props.
Old 11-14-2007, 04:59 PM
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NilsReinert.

There is some labour in getting a high scale model out of Jack `s planes. But I`m shure they fly well. And Jack is very helpfull and serviceminded.. If you like to build, it`t less labour intensive than a traditional "pile of wood" model.

Yes, the Sist is high cost, but you really get a fantastic looking plane finished in a very short time. Pictures does not show the amazing level
of details on the Sist model.. And from all reports I have read, it flyes fine.. AND to get back on topic, following radials will fit like a glowe under the cowling: OS Sirius, ASP-400 and Seidel ST-770/710.. AND all engines should be able to fly it in a scale manor. No speed demon, but not totally marginal eighter...

Good luck on the maiden of the Dora... Nice bird, but my favorite will allways be the A series FW-190.. Why..? Because they are
RADIAL powered ;-)

Best regards..

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Old 11-14-2007, 05:17 PM
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there is a Fw-190 listed today on RCU. It is a Vailley Aviation kit for $500. he wont ship but he lives down the road from me abit....another good one for the ASP 400
Old 11-14-2007, 05:19 PM
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Thanks for info!

BTW ,you should have lived here in Norway 65 years ago[X(] hehe , i was also sitting in the flugwerk FW fw 190 A in september on the Duxford airshow ,great experience , was just itching to start the engine an run away! That was a cool looking plane!
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Yea, The FW-190A7 at Duxford was a treat. I really enjoyed the time i had in the cockpit as well, was amazed how little room
there was. Hopefully they get it licensed for flight next year. I just got to see this Wurger airborn.. :-)

Nils: do you have any RPM data on the ASP-400..? And on what prop..?

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Old 11-15-2007, 09:33 AM
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No ,i did`nt measure the rpm ,i use a 20x10 master airscrew propeller. I did`nt dare to run the engine at full rpm ,because the buck i had mounted the engine to was old ,and not very rigdid! So i will wait till i have mounted it in an airplane.

Regarding the Devine kit ,i have read that he has quit his airplane buisness ,so i will buy it from another source if i find.
And maybe some h9 or topflite versions comes on the market sometime...?

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Old 11-15-2007, 09:56 AM
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KMP makes a nice .60 size.....all composite with panel lines and rivets.
Old 11-15-2007, 12:48 PM
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Also, found a place in the UK selling the 400R under the ASP name with two year limited warranty as well as parts supply...

http://www.justengines.unseen.org/ASP.htm
Old 11-15-2007, 01:52 PM
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It seems that all things eventually do come around full circle.... LOL

Back in the first few pages of this forum, there was the discussion of how if the Chinese entered the radial market, it would create some honest competition, etc.... I believe that the "JustEngines" link was also used there.

Please note, however that their prices are in Brittish pounds, so the ASP 400 radail is actually over USD$1500 (Way too high!).... More than a nice factory new Saito... (Or an OS FR5300 before the crazy 33% price hike).

I think that the prices in the UK are insane, anyway. A Saito FR5-300 in the UK costs £1338.95 as quoted by www.macgregor.co.uk. That about double the cost in the US as we will only pay USD$1,449 from Horizon Hobby.

I wonder what one might expect to pay for one in Germany or Sweden?

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Whoops! The £1338.95 price appears to be the retail price. Moormodels is selling them for £1,090.00 (better but still $700 more than in the US.....) Maybe because the US Dollar is so weak....
Old 11-15-2007, 02:42 PM
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I believe the UK prices are so high because they have a built in VAT tax of 17% on everything sold?
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Just a warning to everyone out there....

Another "Fake" Seidel ST-726 has hit eBay.de -- Much of the copy from the auction that duped me has been stolen.... This one now goes on to say that the engine is "fully operable".

The photos are different from my engine, but a similar unersized laminated prop is attached and careful inspection of the glow plugs will show that are the same "blank" plugs that I have on mine. Again, the fake carby can not be seen in the photos but I am thinking that it must be the same tiny "blank" carb too. A functional carb would be too big to be hidden behind the engine mount as in these photos....

This one is definately not a runner and you should consider this if you are going to bid on it! (Please learn from my mistake!)

--->Steve






Description for the current auction... http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...link:middle:de

Seidel Sternmotor ST 726 mit Holzpropeller 7 Zylinder
Voll funktionsfähig - ist nie im Einsatz gewesen - Deko Motor mit Standfuss Durchmesser ca. 35cm, Propeller ca. 56cm Durchmesser, der Motor kann zum laufen gebracht werden.

English Translation -- Seidel star motor ST 726 with wood propellers 7 cylinder full operable - is never in the use been - Deko motor with standing foot diameter ca. 35cm, propeller ca. 56cm diameter, that motor can run brought become that.

Description for the one that I bought.... http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=320142072037

Seidel Sternmotor ST726 mit Holzpropeller 7 Zyl, - Deko
Seidel Sternmotor ST726 mit Holzpropeller 7 Zylinder - funktionsfähig - ist nie im Einsatz gewesen - Deko Motor mit Standfuss Durchmesser ca. 35cm, Propeller ca. 56cm Durchmesser, der Motor kann sicherlich zum laufen gebracht werden.

English Translation -- Seidel star motor ST726 with wood propellers 7 Zyl, - Deko Seidel star motor ST726 with wood propellers 7 cylinder - operable - is never in the use been - Deko motor with standing foot diameter ca. 35cm, propeller ca. 56cm diameter, the motor can run brought become certainly that.


Gnome... this would be "Fake ST-726" #2 now with the Seidel tag (vs. the Breitling tag). Could it be that there were more made with the seidel name or do you think that both of them have been found? (Just curious).
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KMOT... In regards to the 17% VAT....

I think that that would be part of it. Other parts might include the strength of the brittish pound and resultingly large duty tax on imports. (I'm just guessing)

The bigger picture here, is that almost all of our radial prices will eventually go through the roof in the USA with the continuing fall of the dollar. All of the viable manufacturers are overseas now...

Magnum/ASP/SC (400)-- China
Saito (FA 90R3, 170R3 325R5 & 450R3) -- Japan
OS (FR5-300)-- Japan
Seidel (ST 710, 7250 & 14500) -- Germany
RCS/Moki (150, 215, 250, & 400)-- Germany (I think)
3W (256 STR5 & 105 STR3) - Germany

US radial manufacturers have since slowed down... From what I've heard, Technopower has had standing orders for engines for as many as 4-5 years now that have not been filled. I also know at least one individual who placed an order from Robart and has now been waiting for about two years -- still with no engine.

So if you are an American and you want a radial engine now, then it will have to come from overseas. I think that we should expect that the prices will start to quickly rise as the dollar continues to devalue.

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