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Old 12-14-2014, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by acdii
No green ground wire on those. The ground is black and is tied to the red one that connects to the battery, the tach lead is to connect to a tach readout, the third lead goes to the pickup on the engine itself.


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Also a good idea to use one of these
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Just for clarification, isn't the red wire positive and the black wire negative (ground)? Although they both go to the battery, they are not connected together which would short out the battery and the ECDI certainly would not work. Or, as very well may be the case, am I the one confused?

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Originally Posted by labebe
Ok, I understand. Thanks.
I was confused because the manual clearly shows the green ground wire
I pulled my FG-11 manual, which shouldn't be much different than the 14, and it shows only the wires of the module. HH site is borked so couldn't pull the manual to compare.

On the 14 for break in, I would suggest adding just a bit more oil to the mix for the first 1/2 gallon, then go the recommended ratio after that. When I first ran at the 20:1 I saw no oil out the breather, which had me concerned, so made it 18:1 and then saw oil residue. I also only ran one tank through it on the bench, then flew it after that. It is one sweet running engine. my FG-11 runs for at least an hour on 12 ounces of fuel. I also added a scavenge system like what is recommended on page 4, which keeps the cowl and engine clean.


Well, looks like I wont be able to maiden my Cub today, its foggy and visibility sucks. I did fire up the Saito 100 in it yesterday, it has so much torque, the plane was moving sideways on throttle up. Took a bit to get started though being it was only 42*.
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Originally Posted by spaceworm
Just for clarification, isn't the red wire positive and the black wire negative (ground)? Although they both go to the battery, they are not connected together which would short out the battery and the ECDI certainly would not work. Or, as very well may be the case, am I the one confused?

Sincerely, Richard
I meant they are bound together in one pair to one connector as opposed to separate wires like I have seen elsewhere. I had one that had no connector on it, just a separate red and separate black wire.
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Ok. Another thing, would it be a problem if I connect a optical killing switch???
Old 12-14-2014, 10:24 AM
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Guys, stupid question but is it okay to mount a 4 stroke upside down? I know you can mount 2 stroke upside down but didn't know for sure on 4 stroke.


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My 130 twin in it's new home, a Dragon Lady. Bob the pilot is looking smug. In hindsight the engine is a mite heavy for the airframe, but still happy.
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Originally Posted by Corsair2013
Guys, stupid question but is it okay to mount a 4 stroke upside down? I know you can mount 2 stroke upside down but didn't know for sure on 4 stroke.


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Keith
Yep, wont hurt it one bit as long as your fuel tank centerline is even with the carb spraybar. If too high it will flood the engine. Some guys like to offset it just a bit so the exhaust rocker is straight down. The FG-11 manual prefers an inverted installation.

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Ok. Another thing, would it be a problem if I connect a optical killing switch???
No problem, in fact I linked to one I use in all my gas planes, wouldn't want to fly without one. I get mine from badbradgraphics, same model, but only $15, and shipping is something like $3 as long as it fits in a standard envelope.
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Originally Posted by Corsair2013
Guys, stupid question but is it okay to mount a 4 stroke upside down? I know you can mount 2 stroke upside down but didn't know for sure on 4 stroke.

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Keith
Well I thought by now many others would have chimed in. But, yes 4 strokes are very happy inverted. Two considerations: 1. Make sure the tank centerline is in line with the carb spraybar, to insure proper fuel draw and delivery; and 2. Incline the engine slightly to have the exhaust valve at the lowest point of the engine, to insure that excess fuel and oil can escape and not cause hydraulic lock. Good luck.
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I will probably have issues. Center of tank is about 1.5" above center of spraybar. I will run test first and rotate it if i have to.

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Originally Posted by acdii
I meant they are bound together in one pair to one connector as opposed to separate wires like I have seen elsewhere. I had one that had no connector on it, just a separate red and separate black wire.
That's a good point acdc and the insulation used on that pairing is middlin to very poor.If you snag the ignition wiring say pulling it thru a firewall or even if you have sharp fingernails(like the ex handbrake)you will cause a short between the two bound wires.In my case you could'nt see it even tho you knew you had stretched the wires a bit.The minute i seperated the two the engine fired.

ps been workin hard all weekend and at the end of the day i was chillin out in the shed with a beer admiring the saito 182 twin in the taylorcraft when a mouse ran past the big shed door and around the corner.Before i had a chance to wonder why it was going so fast a big brown snake came straight into the shed,got em with the house broom,it was two beers and a hand rolled cuban before things seemed normal again.
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Old Fart - isn't the brown the nasty bad tempered poisonous critter?????????? I would need a couple of shots of Crown Royal to go with the beers and Cuban..........
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O.F., I think those critters like the glow fuel that you have been pouring into the ground. I know that downstream of where I mount my engine test stand sometimes gets infested with grubs. I started moving the test stand around in the backyard so that the exhaust doesn't get concentrated in one area.
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Old Fart, whats the problem with brown snakes. We keep them as pets here, now Taipans that's a different matter. I will be doing some engine testing (with my mate) over the period between now and the new year. Bloody eye is proving a bit of an inhibitor but a good excuse when it comes to "stuff" that one is not enthusiastic about. We expect the ceramic bits in the new year until then the experiments revolve around fuel and props. Catch ya
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Originally Posted by Corsair2013
...I would need a couple of shots of Crown Royal to go with the beers and Cuban..........
I'd be using a couple of shots too - but with something that contains lead...

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I don't know about living in a place where lots of things want to eat you or bite you. I have a wife and don't need other things trying to kill me.............

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BA HA HA HA!!

(you will soooo pay for that... LoL)

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Snakes! thankfully only have Yotes to contend with, and an occasional brown bear.
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Horizon has the following Saitos in stock, some are back ordered

40a in stock
60 twin is no longer available
82 back ordered
91s in stock
1.00 in stock
1.15 in stock
1.25 in stock
1.50 back ordered
1.80 in stock
1.82 twin, in stock.

It's shame you have to go through 20 pages of parts to find the engines.

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I'm about to take delivery of a 100ti.
Has anyone seen a review of this engine, I can't seem to find one.
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It's a shame that Clarence didn't get hold of one of those. I found his test of the 2.00 TI but no 1.00 TI. It's interesting that the crank throws are not splayed at the same angle as the cylinders.
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If you look at that photo real close you will see that they are in fact splayed. This video proves that they are split the same as the cylinders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XYP1_aCtRk


My 200 ti is definitely an even fire 360/360 firing pattern.

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The cornea transplant is an amazing procedure when you read how it is done. My son had 6 eye surgeries when he was 14 or 15 y/o, so I know about some of that stuff.

When I was in my 30's I never wore glasses except to fly Monday through Fridays. Didn't wear them driving, reading, watching TV, or any other time. But, for some unknown reason, I went and got my glasses one day when I was driving a couple of nails on something. I've never done that before. I didn't blink when I hit a nail hard and watched it shoot back and hit my glasses right in the middle. The force was the most surprising as my nose was sore from the impact. The nail had some force behind it. There is no doubt I would be blind in my left eye if I had not worn those glasses. The polycarbonate glasses had a little divot chipped out of it from the nail.
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Thanks James, I see it more clearliarly now, how do like my new word?
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Hello all. My name is Bill and I need some help.. went through some life changes a few years ago and stepped away from RC but now I am back at this hobby with a new found excitement.. I have an FA 65 that I have no clue where it came from (seriously) it has.been sitting in a box lo these the many years and it is in pretty good shape. I am not one to let a good engine go to waste so it is going on a 65 inch Decathlon. Problem is it will not run.. so I have adjusted the valves and dissembled the carb. The engine and carb parts are now getting a crockpot anti freeze bath as we speak. I have ordered the engine and carb gasket kits along with a velocity stack from Advantage Hobby. I have spent the last hour or so reading the complete Saito Notes by Bill Robison.. man what a wealth of information that guy was.. RIP good sir, what a kick in the pants that was to have found out the guy passed in 07 at the end of the thread, after spending a few hours reading his notes kind of got a sense of what a great asset he was to the RC community and I felt a bit of sadness to read about his passing.. anyway what I need and I cannot find anywhere is an exploded view of the FA 65.. found a ton of links but most of them came back as link not found.. or something along those lines.. .. so if somebody could post a link it would be a huge help!!! Thanks a have a great evening!


oh and mine has the Y code stamped in the mount and the muffler with the aluminum canister.

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Dunno if this is of any use to you, Bill L, but between the two of them, you should be able to nut out what you need...

http://www.macgregor.co.uk/saito/fa65p.htm

http://www.horizonhobby.com/pdf/SAI-..._manual-lo.pdf

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