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Old 09-16-2015, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by acdii
Who has the best prices on Saito including shipping costs? Also does anyone know if they all come with aluminum mounts, or was that just the FG models that do? There is a hobby shop in Madison that sells Saito for good prices, but nothing smaller than a 72.

AFAIK they don't COME with aluminum mounts, you have to order and buy them. Or at least that is what I have had to do, maybe it is something special about me. Had 2 credit cards slammed this weekend. GR#_)$*(*
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Yes, SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed.
Oh,so that's why i'm divorced.
Old 09-17-2015, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Branaum
Yeah and I have heard nothing but good about Moki's. Too bad I have a pair of ST 3000's
All you gol dang two strokers ain't worth talkin to
Old 09-17-2015, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Branaum
AFAIK they don't COME with aluminum mounts, you have to order and buy them. Or at least that is what I have had to do, maybe it is something special about me. Had 2 credit cards slammed this weekend. GR#_)$*(*
So, looks like only the gassers come with mounts, just trying to confirm before I drill the firewall for SIG mounts.
Old 09-17-2015, 06:20 AM
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All you gol dang two strokers ain't worth talkin to
Well if you are financing a new build on a shoestring 2 cycles look pretty good right now. Especially when someone gives the engine to you for free! Same guy has a brand new Super Tigre .75 made in Italy with a brand new Top Flite in cowling Warbird muffler and discontinued header for sale. I am negotiating for it now I already have the kit to put it in.
Old 09-17-2015, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by acdii
Who has the best prices on Saito including shipping costs? Also does anyone know if they all come with aluminum mounts, or was that just the FG models that do? There is a hobby shop in Madison that sells Saito for good prices, but nothing smaller than a 72.
http://www.advantagehobby.com/242011...r-BX/?pcat=383
Old 09-17-2015, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by acdii
This one is the ARF flavor so had to use what I had until now. This new version can swing a 13" prop with room to spare, only time I clipped grass was when I landed too hard, but now with a few harrier landings under my belt, hard landings wont be an issue. I wonder if there will be any issues dropping the mounts down 5MM, which will put the tank CL right at the 10-15 mm distance the manual calls for(yes I finally found the freaking OS manual).

This could also be why my Cub Saito 100 quits at 1/4 tank at certain attitudes, the tank CL is a bit low to the spraybar even though the engine is mounted horizontally.
I got so used to flying the SSE nose high that I don't even think about it much anymore. It's my every day, beater model. It lands fine with the nose up. The big airfoil lifts it right up for almost a 3 point takeoff. If you put tip plates on the ends of the wings it will still wallow around flying at 5 mph, or something like that.

OF- the Somethin' Extra has a tailwheel, but a 12"+ prop is getting too long for it. I raised the main gear on a block of 1" balsa that helped some.
Old 09-17-2015, 08:21 AM
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The new ARF clears a 13" prop with the tail horizontal. They must have lengthened the mains between the old ARF, kit and the new ARF. I am still *****ing at myself, I knew better than to flew downwind of the runway with a half tank before fully knowing if the new tank fixed it, which didn't. It will be fixed now though since I have full access to the tank compartment with the top ripped open.

Still undecided if I want to put the OS 70 back on, or wait until the Oct 3 swap in hopes of finding a Saito 56, or ordering a new 62, but I hate having to break in a new motor on a plane I want to fly NOW! Since I do have the mounting dimensions for the 62 now, I can at least check to see if the current mount matches up to the 62, that way I can at least fly the 70 on it until I do get a 62.
Old 09-17-2015, 09:27 AM
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[QUOTE=Jim Branaum;12100540]AFAIK they don't COME with aluminum mounts, you have to order and buy them. Or at least that is what I have had to do, maybe it is something special about me. ...QUOTE]

Way back Saito did come with the metal mount. They have always recommended using them. But, I can't tell you when they stopped supplying them with a new engine.

Sincerely, Richard
Old 09-17-2015, 09:45 AM
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Sig used to ship those two piece polycarbonate engine mounts. At least they did with the 4 Star 40, LT-40, Somethin' Extra, and Kavalier kits.

I hope they changed the SSE main gear, Acdii. They sat low.

I was given a botched up kit that a guy built and covered. I pulled the Monokote off and repair some of his mistakes. Put in a top cover from firewall to turtleneck. I'm now thinking about lengthening the fuselage some 3-4 inches if I can in the tail section. A long range project.
Old 09-17-2015, 11:11 AM
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It appears the FG-11 is the only one that includes the motor mount. http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/horizonhobby/SAIEG11_a1
None of the others have a mount showing in the parts image.
Old 09-17-2015, 02:33 PM
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I have 2 x FG engines a 20 and a 36 both came with mounts and I am certain I have seen others with 11's, 17's 21's and 40's (all FGs) that came with engine mounts. But remember we live in OZ and it would appear that things re Saitos could be a little different here. Likewise I have no problem sourcing the multi engine fit metal Saito mounts and like the metal OS ones I can also source relatively easily here they are the best mounts to use.
Old 09-18-2015, 02:29 AM
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Trev the way i read it is that the ally mounts were for gas saito engines and a cooling aid re heat sink.Thank you for mailing the book.Years back i bought a saito 30 and dave (retired dairy farmer who i hope has come to his sense by now and traded the harley for a ducati,so he can have some fun) posted some tacho figures for his 30 at 13+ on the ground.Now,he's a known abstainer (non drinker/low nitro) kind a dude so what made me say all that is i'm doing this awesome low flybye in a small full retracts p51 with the saito 30 flatout past a crowd of adoring fellow pilots when the handbrake slapped me and yells:"stop snoring!"

ps has anyone else heard of the fa30sc that maxxes out at 22500?
Old 09-18-2015, 03:51 AM
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Uh Oh Pete, you bin zaggeratin on my behalf again, here are those numbers from 2003. I used a Graupner 10x5.5

Fuel WildCat 15% Premium 16% lube, 80%syn and 20% castor.
Peaked rpm, GloBee Intellitach 10,410
Peaked rpm ACE Tachmaster II 10,380

I ain't exactly a tee totaller, last night had a glass of real Sangria that was brewed in Spain. The only Italian bike I would consider would be a Guzzi, the one with windshield and bags, they changed it's name a few times over the years so don't know what to call it. I admire the Triumph Trophy also. Can't part with the Harley under any circumstance. I am going to own another Saito FA .40a soon. Can hardly wait.
Old 09-18-2015, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FormerDairyFarmer
Uh Oh Pete, you bin zaggeratin on my behalf again, here are those numbers from 2003. I used a Graupner 10x5.5

Fuel WildCat 15% Premium 16% lube, 80%syn and 20% castor.
Peaked rpm, GloBee Intellitach 10,410
Peaked rpm ACE Tachmaster II 10,380

I ain't exactly a tee totaller, last night had a glass of real Sangria that was brewed in Spain. The only Italian bike I would consider would be a Guzzi, the one with windshield and bags, they changed it's name a few times over the years so don't know what to call it. I admire the Triumph Trophy also. Can't part with the Harley under any circumstance. I am going to own another Saito FA .40a soon. Can hardly wait.
My dream bike was always the British built Vincent either a Black Prince or a Black Widow!
Old 09-18-2015, 07:33 AM
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Is there an easy way to fit the minute O-ring into the spray bar? I have been battling and can't get it in properly. There must surely be a trick to it. Any suggestions would be appreciated as at 76 years old I guess my eyes aren't what they used to be, nor my fingers so nimble either! Lynton
Old 09-18-2015, 08:09 AM
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I'm 73, I push the o-ring in with my thumb then straighten it out with a push pin or the point of the needle valve.
Old 09-18-2015, 10:55 AM
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Thanks FormerDairyFarm. I managed it eventually. I used a toothpick. I put the o-ring onto the toothpick and by getting the point just far enough into the spray bar there was enough clearance to permit the o-ring to get past and into the groove in the spray bar. I hope this will be of use to someone else sometime!
Old 09-18-2015, 01:48 PM
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Very good, Yankee ingenuity at its best. Us old guys know stuff.
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Well i'm only 61 so i guess that puts me firmly in the disrespectful lunatic camp no offence intended.Dave i think the guzzi you mention was a californian model.Getting the o ring back in the spraybar was easier than picking the old hard one out i found plus i had some spares if i made a mistake and damaged a new one when refitting.

ps dave the rpm figure i was talking about was recent for a 30 you showed on the bench and a tacho reading of 13168 rings a bell,thought you may have been having a joke and photoshopped it first so i never queried it at the time.Then again at 61 maybe it's time for a set of reading glasses.

ps nobody seems to remember saitos engine pamphlet that lists those rpm figures for the 30sc

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Old 09-18-2015, 05:27 PM
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Pete, you're just too young for a, "GeezerGlide", I'll dig some more for those .30 numbers.
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Originally Posted by Old Fart
ps nobody seems to remember saitos engine pamphlet that lists those rpm figures for the 30sc
Hmm.. I am fairly sure that I may have had that pamphlet in my hand earlier today. I will look (if I remember) Monday as the weekend is already committed to flying (tomorrow) and entertaining the redhead and her guests at a play Sunday.
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Digging back through the years to 2006 I found a post of mine with 11,675 with a Graupner 10x5, now days I use a 10x5.5 Graupner or Bolly and get about 10,500.
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According to Saito the 30 will turn a maximum of 12,100 20% nitro, 20% oil and a 10x5 APC. We who know better will feed it 30% nitro (starters) 20% low viscosity oil and a 10.5 x 5.5 Bolly carbon prop. Tell you more later. It is going into a 2.5 pound Lanzo Bomber for vertical drag racing (Duration).. Lanzo has a 70 inch wingspan, wing area 700 square inches. Old Fart said book mailed in Rosewood friday last.
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Originally Posted by FormerDairyFarmer
Very good, Yankee ingenuity at its best. Us old guys know stuff.
Dave he's from hillcrest in south africa..does this mean you know there are smart people outside america?

Your prop figures are good for the 30,different prop but i got 10600 easy on 20% with a mas 10x6 q tip.

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