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12-29-2015, 03:54 AM
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.you did say that the remains of a 22 hornet stamp was there so maybe it's had a large rifle reamer thru the primer pocket to ignite the larger powder load in a fireformed straighter case and guessing it to be around 6mm(243) tho saying the round can be used in a tube mag rules out spitzer type prodjys.
The factory cartridges didn't have spitzer type bullets. Besides, the recoil form a 33 gr bullet propelled at 2450 fps isn't likely to cause enough recoil to ignite the primer.
Also, the spitzer bullets are loaded longer than the factory cartridge length for maximum accuracy & won't function through the magazine.
One more hint: The fact that the bolt is the only modification to the rifle necessary and the chamber is unaltered, that should steer you in the right direction.
12-29-2015, 11:53 AM
.22 Hornet case did not have the primer pocket enlarged to ignite a larger powder load. The "load is 6.8gr of Alliant 2400 & the case head has been turned down to a smaller diameter.
The factory cartridges didn't have spitzer type bullets. Besides, the recoil form a 33 gr bullet propelled at 2450 fps isn't likely to cause enough recoil to ignite the primer.
Also, the spitzer bullets are loaded longer than the factory cartridge length for maximum accuracy & won't function through the magazine.
One more hint: The fact that the bolt is the only modification to the rifle necessary and the chamber is unaltered, that should steer you in the right direction.
The factory cartridges didn't have spitzer type bullets. Besides, the recoil form a 33 gr bullet propelled at 2450 fps isn't likely to cause enough recoil to ignite the primer.
Also, the spitzer bullets are loaded longer than the factory cartridge length for maximum accuracy & won't function through the magazine.
One more hint: The fact that the bolt is the only modification to the rifle necessary and the chamber is unaltered, that should steer you in the right direction.
So not a .17 Hornady Mach 2.
OK, how about a 5MM Craig ?
Last edited by acdii; 12-29-2015 at 11:55 AM.
12-29-2015, 12:20 PM
12-29-2015, 12:35 PM
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DING. DING, DING, DING, DING!
You are almost correct! Close enough to win the cigar!
It is a Schroeder 5mm Remington Magnum conversion to CF. The difference between this & the 5mm Craig is that the 5mm Craig uses CNC machined cases that have a straight inner wall & reduced capacity compared to the Schroeder case which is formed from 22 Hornet brass swaged & turned down to the .325" head size. Either cartridge can be fired in the other, but different load data is used for each. The 5mm Schroeder conversion has a higher Mv capability.
The other difference as far as the Schroeder conversion compared to the Craig conversion is the bolt head. The Craig uses the original bolt head with the flat blade style RF firing pin that has a wider blade to accommodate the CF location. The bolt head itself has the slot deepened to the CF location. The Schroeder conversion comes with a complete CF bolt head. One just swaps out the head of the 2-piece bolt by removing a pin.The original RF bolt head is saved so that the rifle can still be returned to OEM condition.
I did this several years back before factory ammo was brought back to market by Centurion. Even so, the cost of reloading is less than $.20 a round & the performance over the RF ammo is significant.
It has 2x the muzzle energy of the 17 HMR propelling 2x the bullet weight at the same Mv. (33 gr Hornady V-Max bullet @ 2450 fps) The remaining energy at 185 yards is equal to the 17 HMR at the muzzle. Sighted in 2 1/2" high at 100 yds puts zero at 185 yards & about 1 1/2" low at 200 yards.
I also load 40gr Schroeder FMJ RN bullets to 2100 fps for edible small game hunting. The OAL with the 40gr bullets (not pictured) is short enough when loaded to just off the lands, to allow 3 rounds to function through the slightly modified clip magazine. Those 40gr loads are zeroed at 100 yards (1" high at 50) with the same zero that has the 33 gr V-Max bullets 2 1/2" high at 100 yards.
You are almost correct! Close enough to win the cigar!
It is a Schroeder 5mm Remington Magnum conversion to CF. The difference between this & the 5mm Craig is that the 5mm Craig uses CNC machined cases that have a straight inner wall & reduced capacity compared to the Schroeder case which is formed from 22 Hornet brass swaged & turned down to the .325" head size. Either cartridge can be fired in the other, but different load data is used for each. The 5mm Schroeder conversion has a higher Mv capability.
The other difference as far as the Schroeder conversion compared to the Craig conversion is the bolt head. The Craig uses the original bolt head with the flat blade style RF firing pin that has a wider blade to accommodate the CF location. The bolt head itself has the slot deepened to the CF location. The Schroeder conversion comes with a complete CF bolt head. One just swaps out the head of the 2-piece bolt by removing a pin.The original RF bolt head is saved so that the rifle can still be returned to OEM condition.
I did this several years back before factory ammo was brought back to market by Centurion. Even so, the cost of reloading is less than $.20 a round & the performance over the RF ammo is significant.
It has 2x the muzzle energy of the 17 HMR propelling 2x the bullet weight at the same Mv. (33 gr Hornady V-Max bullet @ 2450 fps) The remaining energy at 185 yards is equal to the 17 HMR at the muzzle. Sighted in 2 1/2" high at 100 yds puts zero at 185 yards & about 1 1/2" low at 200 yards.
I also load 40gr Schroeder FMJ RN bullets to 2100 fps for edible small game hunting. The OAL with the 40gr bullets (not pictured) is short enough when loaded to just off the lands, to allow 3 rounds to function through the slightly modified clip magazine. Those 40gr loads are zeroed at 100 yards (1" high at 50) with the same zero that has the 33 gr V-Max bullets 2 1/2" high at 100 yards.
Last edited by SrTelemaster150; 12-29-2015 at 12:47 PM.
12-29-2015, 12:41 PM
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Many "factory" cartridges started out as 'wildcats" & kept their original names albeit sometimes with a manufacturer's name added to the end.
Examples. 7mm-08 Remington. 338-06 A-Square, 22-250 Remington, 25-06 Remington.
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12-29-2015, 02:40 PM
You gave some good clues there. It looks a lot like the .17 cartridges, but I noticed you mentioned they were originally rim fires, which are a PITA to reload, so I did a lookup for the Remington that you mentioned that was only made from 71-73 and landed on the 5MM Craig, which as you mentioned used a modified bolt.
I am researching rifles for target practice, cheap target practice, and would like to get a scope too. Hopefully a scope that can be moved from one rifle to another with minimal setup. I haven't shot in decades, was pretty good too, put a 22 round through a 30-06 casing from 100 yards just using the iron sights. Would probably like something magazine fed too. Eventually I would love to get a replacement M1 Garand to replace the one my Dad had that was unfortunately sold off a long time ago, and it was in beautiful condition, along with a full ammo case of ammo in the original WWII clips. The ammo was most likely dead after 40 years, but the clips can always be reused. It was a 30-06 version, so the rounds were interchangeable with the bolt action rifle he also had.
Now if only a Saito could be fitted to it.
I am researching rifles for target practice, cheap target practice, and would like to get a scope too. Hopefully a scope that can be moved from one rifle to another with minimal setup. I haven't shot in decades, was pretty good too, put a 22 round through a 30-06 casing from 100 yards just using the iron sights. Would probably like something magazine fed too. Eventually I would love to get a replacement M1 Garand to replace the one my Dad had that was unfortunately sold off a long time ago, and it was in beautiful condition, along with a full ammo case of ammo in the original WWII clips. The ammo was most likely dead after 40 years, but the clips can always be reused. It was a 30-06 version, so the rounds were interchangeable with the bolt action rifle he also had.
Now if only a Saito could be fitted to it.
12-29-2015, 03:24 PM
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You gave some good clues there. It looks a lot like the .17 cartridges, but I noticed you mentioned they were originally rim fires, which are a PITA to reload, so I did a lookup for the Remington that you mentioned that was only made from 71-73 and landed on the 5MM Craig, which as you mentioned used a modified bolt.
I am researching rifles for target practice, cheap target practice, and would like to get a scope too. Hopefully a scope that can be moved from one rifle to another with minimal setup. I haven't shot in decades, was pretty good too, put a 22 round through a 30-06 casing from 100 yards just using the iron sights. Would probably like something magazine fed too. Eventually I would love to get a replacement M1 Garand to replace the one my Dad had that was unfortunately sold off a long time ago, and it was in beautiful condition, along with a full ammo case of ammo in the original WWII clips. The ammo was most likely dead after 40 years, but the clips can always be reused. It was a 30-06 version, so the rounds were interchangeable with the bolt action rifle he also had.
Now if only a Saito could be fitted to it.
I am researching rifles for target practice, cheap target practice, and would like to get a scope too. Hopefully a scope that can be moved from one rifle to another with minimal setup. I haven't shot in decades, was pretty good too, put a 22 round through a 30-06 casing from 100 yards just using the iron sights. Would probably like something magazine fed too. Eventually I would love to get a replacement M1 Garand to replace the one my Dad had that was unfortunately sold off a long time ago, and it was in beautiful condition, along with a full ammo case of ammo in the original WWII clips. The ammo was most likely dead after 40 years, but the clips can always be reused. It was a 30-06 version, so the rounds were interchangeable with the bolt action rifle he also had.
Now if only a Saito could be fitted to it.
You could do worse than a converted 5mm Remington Magnum. You get 100 reloads out of a pound of powder. The most expensive element is the bullet but since the popularity of the .204 Rugar 32gr V-Max bullets are often on sale. I bought the 33gr V-Max when they were discontinued for $10.98 per 100.
The 32gr V-Max replaced them & a few years back the were selling off the 32gr "Z"-Max (zombie) bullets real cheap,($69 per 1000) but I didn't have the $$$$ at the time to take advantage. The "Z"-Max had fluorescent green/yellow tips instead of red.
Buy bullets right & you can load 100 rounds for about $15. They are very accurate rifles & I did a trigger mod article on the 5mm RIMFIRE FORUMS. (My username on most firearms/hunting sites is "Wildcat Junkie", "Dads Krag" on the KRAG COLLECTORS FORUM.
12-29-2015, 05:47 PM
Next year i am working to get a Concealed Carry, FOID, ETC. and search around for some guns, and a nice safe. Soon my daughter will be of dating age, and would like to have a nice assortment to sit at the table and clean when the "boyfriend" comes around. Behind me will be a sign, I have 5 acres, a gun and a backhoe, Get the picture? 
12-30-2015, 02:55 AM
Yawn..good lord is that the time already?
Triumphman is the fg17 the old 62? and do you have any prop figures for the 182 twin you are converting while it was still on glow ignition?
Triumphman is the fg17 the old 62? and do you have any prop figures for the 182 twin you are converting while it was still on glow ignition?
12-30-2015, 05:35 AM
Next year i am working to get a Concealed Carry, FOID, ETC. and search around for some guns, and a nice safe. Soon my daughter will be of dating age, and would like to have a nice assortment to sit at the table and clean when the "boyfriend" comes around. Behind me will be a sign, I have 5 acres, a gun and a backhoe, Get the picture?
12-30-2015, 07:09 AM
Or a box of these next to your Judge Public Defender while you are cleaning it: [h=1]Hornady Critical Defense Ammunition 410 Bore 2-1/2" 41 Caliber FTX Slug over two 35 Caliber Lead Round Balls[/h]
12-30-2015, 07:57 AM
12-30-2015, 08:01 AM
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Or a nice scope mounted .460 Weatherby with a box of shells sitting there. You casually mention you can consistently blow the teicles off a Coyote at 600 yards with no effort with this rifle. As you look thru the barrel at him while sighting down the newly clean bore. One look an you know this baby kills in front and maims behind!
12-30-2015, 12:55 PM
Soviet 7.62x39 is NOT a "full power battle rifle round". I would like to see them stand up to Soviet 7.62x 54R or 7.62x51 NATO. Don't even think about 30-06 or full power 8X57IS. With those last 2, you would be better to take your chances on a pass through with FMJ than having nearly 3000 ft# of energy absorbed by your chest behind a bullet resistant vest.
Are these vests still using spalling as the mechanism to stop rounds? If so, I never trusted spalling much anyway unless it was firing a HEP round at armor. Then, the massive interior spalling would turn the tank occupants into tomato soup.
12-30-2015, 01:45 PM
ACDII- my wife wanted a purse pistol a good bit smaller than the Judge we carry now, so I found a new Springfield XDS 9mm 3" barrel online for about $100 cheaper than locally. Also, no sales tax on Internet sales which makes it even better. Just use Google or Bing to do a price compare.
12-30-2015, 02:43 PM
The like buttons are missing, love all the replies, had a good snort or two on the elephant rounds.
BTW, that FG-17 will make for a good runner. My FG-11 was broke in during the first tank as it ran nearly an hour on 12 ounces of gas. Other than a little HSN tweaking due to temp variations, hasn't needed anything done to it since the first flight.
BTW, that FG-17 will make for a good runner. My FG-11 was broke in during the first tank as it ran nearly an hour on 12 ounces of gas. Other than a little HSN tweaking due to temp variations, hasn't needed anything done to it since the first flight.
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I am looking for a engine mount for a Saito 100 that is long around 4 1/2 " , The great planes adjustable was long enough but just a little to wide any suggestions?
01-01-2016, 09:00 AM
I have been using SIG mounts for just about everything. Only exception are my two gas engines, the DLE20 has a metal Dubro mount and the FG-11 came with a mount. I use SIGEM003 for my 100. I noticed that they now carry other lines of mounts too. I need mounts for my DLE30, looks like they may have what I need.
01-01-2016, 10:29 AM
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