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Old 03-18-2016, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Old Fart
Phut! popey you left a lot of other people out there.

Jeff it takes the shine off the big saito sound when somebody(inconsiderate twits)fires up a cheap smelly gas two stroke,it's like somebody farting right next to you at the movies.

Dave can you get viagra over there once you turn 65? i got three years to wait
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Originally Posted by Old Fart
Phut! popey you left a lot of other people out there.

Jeff it takes the shine off the big saito sound when somebody(inconsiderate twits)fires up a cheap smelly gas two stroke,it's like somebody farting right next to you at the movies.
I don't mind the smell, but the noise, ugh. Last year at a fly in, some mope was trying to get his to run right next to where I was flying, and I could not hear my plane at all. I made up for it though, ran my DLE20 right near him when he was flying. It sure cackles and snears.
Old 03-18-2016, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by slamn sammy
LOL...... A buddy of mine is a bomb tech in the service and he says he's not very good a it, he still has all his fingers!
True story- they cleared out our airfield of personnel in Germany one day when an unexploded 500 lb bomb from the war was uncovered. EOD took about 3 hours to arrive with their big truck. Only a couple of people hung around and I wandered down to the bomb which was in a construction site. There it was, mostly exposed and painted with silver paint. It had twisted through a few feet of dirt, but the fins weren't too distorted. Anyway, I spit on the thing. I guess it was an ego thing. Or to prove to myself I wasn't scared of it.
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And? Did they detonate it, or salvage it for the next war?
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My son moved from Germany Jan 2015 he told me they were finding old WWII exploded bombs all the time. They didn't show up on the news unless they were found in a major population center and something goes wrong like in Gottingen a few years back.
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If you look up you tube you will find many interesting clips on ww2 relic hunters.Having been in a large underground bomb bunker many years ago(don't they smell strange?)i figured it did'nt matter whether the place went up or not.
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Acdc flying tomorrow morning just taking the 82 deccy because we were supposed to be having our first rains for the year today,thunderstorms too but so far nothin...it's eerily quiet right now tho..tomorrow is sposed to be fine but i'm thinkin a bit gusty and a flash of dutch lightning to happen.Interesting flying conditions how do you reckon the 82 and six volt eneloop pack would go with a lightning strike as i'll be well protected standing under an all steel shelter and i'm hoping a couple of those gas two stroke ignition guys turn up just because if we get lightning they gotta get hit first right? it's a bit like taking your dog for a swim with you in shark infested waters.In fact i heard that that's why divers have knives strapped to their legs,if you see a shark you stab your diving mate
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Originally Posted by Old Fart

Jeff it takes the shine off the big saito sound when somebody(inconsiderate twits)fires up a cheap smelly gas two stroke,it's like somebody farting right next to you at the movies.

Never heard it put better!

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Old 03-22-2016, 04:36 AM
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Well we went from thunderstorms and lightning forecast all last weekend to no rain at all STILL after a long hot summer.Woke up at sparrow fart(early)sunday morning to go flying,it's fine and as calm as,ah weather predicting...it's like trying to pick a president

I'm going deluxe on a rotoflow 14oz fuel tank and now fitting it behind the saito 82 in the best aerobatic hacker i ever owned.

ps sr what do you think about the pressure nipple location in saito mufflers of all types.If you make your own pipes and mount the pressure nipple close to the head on say an 82 you get lots of black carbon ash blown back into the fuel tank.If you use a saito 182 twin straight pipe with the nipple located at the end of the exhaust you get virtually none,now here's the deal ...your answer can't be longer than the question.

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Originally Posted by Old Fart
weather predicting...it's like trying to pick a president
But with weather predicting you're not stuck with your mistakes for 4 to 8 years!
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Originally Posted by flyerinokc
but with weather predicting you're not stuck with your mistakes for 4 to 8 years!
a m e n!


Unless its a snow storm and you are stuck inside with a hot girl, then lets just say, its a LOT longer than 4-8 years
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If she's that hot the snows already melted.

OK sr you get twice as many words,double or nothin but don't turn it into a lecture i hate them,specially humourless ones
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Barry thanks for the nice words about woodgrain props.I've never done one yet for my own saito's but i have a long term wish to have one on a big saito in something like an old se5a or maybe a stampe ,metric tiger moth except they have ailerons on both upper and lower wing surfaces,much more aerobatic and pretty so a nice sounding big saito would be deluxe to hear and watch flying.
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Originally Posted by Old Fart
If she's that hot the snows already melted.

OK sr you get twice as many words,double or nothin but don't turn it into a lecture i hate them,specially humourless ones
Are you saying he's about as funny as a fart in a submarine ?
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Hi all, I have a problem with my recently acquired used Saito FA-56 that I just can't seem to figure out. It just won't go rich at WOT. I can lean it at WOT and richen it to max rpm but it won't go any richer even if I crank the needle out 5 more full turns. If I richen up the idle mixture to help get some smoke at wot it's too rich to idle and dies at idle. Below is a list of things I have checked or adjusted.
1. Tested with valve lash adjusted to .002,. 003 & .004
2. Replaced updraft tube o-rings. As a last resort I even used RTV sealant with the O-rings.
3. Cleaned carb, idle needle, high speed needle and spray bar.
4. Cleaned fuel inlet nipple and exhaust nipple
5. Checked for spray bar to inlet nipple alignment
6. Using a known good fuel and fuel tank that holds perfect pressure.
7. Compression is good
8. No hissing out of intake or exhaust during compression stroke
9. Tried two other high speed needles
10. Triple checked valve timing

I've surely missed something. It has to be getting air via some other place than the carb venturi doesn't it? Maybe the carb has a hair-line crack that I can't see?

I hate to give up on it because it does run great, it's just that it's not going to last too long running this lean at wot.

My apologies if this issue has already been addressed; 1200+ pages is too much to read.
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If the LS needle is set too lean it will render the HS needle ineffective, richen LS needle one half turn, peak HS to absolute peak and leve it that way temporarily, now set LS needle for best idle and transition. Now set HS needle to your favorite setting.
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Thanks, but I've tried all that. As I said, when idle mix is set properly for good (sustainable) idle the high speed needle won't go rich enough. Changing adjustments back and forth between low and high speed settings hasn't worked. Sure, I can can make it run great at idle OR wot, just not at both. Have any other ideas that would cause it to not richen up at wot?

BTW, I have an FA-62 that has the same part# carb and needles that runs just great at idle and richens up just fine at wot (on the same test stand setup). I think the same carb is used for engines up to 90 so there should be plenty of fuel available at wot to drown my 56.

Something weird going on here.

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Swap carbs between the 56 and 62 since they are the same and see if the problem is the carb or the engine.
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
Swap carbs between the 56 and 62 since they are the same and see if the problem is the carb or the engine.
We used to call that Easter egging. Appropriate since Sunday is Easter.. Happy Easter to all
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Thanks, but I've tried all that. As I said, when idle mix is set properly for good (sustainable) idle the high speed needle won't go rich enough. Changing adjustments back and forth between low and high speed settings hasn't worked. Sure, I can can make it run great at idle OR wot, just not at both. Have any other ideas that would cause it to not richen up at wot?

BTW, I have an FA-62 that has the same part# carb and needles that runs just great at idle and richens up just fine at wot (on the same test stand setup). I think the same carb is used for engines up to 90 so there should be plenty of fuel available at wot to drown my 56.

Something weird going on here.
Glowy give yourself a thump in the forehead with a clenched right hand fist and re read daves post,it's ok i ignored good advice for years too.As an after thought how far back is your fuel tank and is the saito in a tail dragger,specially if it's not on the bench.

ps sr humourless?
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Originally Posted by the pope
Are you saying he's about as funny as a fart in a submarine ?
Are you kidding me, that Fart in Down Periscope was hilarious!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snBntragfnE
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Could your fuel line be too small? Not enough fuel flow at WOT? Just a thought.
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Check the back plate for leaks and then the bearings. Also check inside the needle valve / spray bar assembly for gung.
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Pope and Old Fart (and other Aussies hear) David Owen finally succumbed to the cancer he has been fighting for years. A good man (replica Burford engines and other interesting goodies) that will be missed.
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I remember my 1st engine , a Taipan 2.5cc diesel control line engine . What I remember most is my aching and bloody fingers trying to start it . Never thought of using a chicken stick . That was over 40 yrs ago and why I use a starter whenever I can . I like my fingers especially when there attached to my hands . Cheers

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