Notices
Glow Engines Discuss RC glow engines

Welcome to Club SAITO !

Old 10-02-2017, 06:47 AM
  #34751  
Hobbsy
My Feedback: (102)
 
Hobbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

I called my friend w8ye and he came as close as I did by saying, "it should" maybe Dan, AKA SeniorTele. can clear it up.
Old 10-02-2017, 11:05 AM
  #34752  
SrTelemaster150
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Brasher Falls, NY
Posts: 3,902
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Hobbsy View Post
Question for someone more experter than me, can a Saito .65 cam housing replace the cam housing of the right Saito 1.30 cam? This is to eliminate the pump because it's broken.
Originally Posted by Captcrunch44 View Post
Boy as similar all the cam housing’s are you would sure think so. Or get another right one.
Originally Posted by Hobbsy View Post
I called my friend w8ye and he came as close as I did by saying, "it should" maybe Dan, AKA SeniorTele. can clear it up.
None of the "Twins" listed on Horizon's site, including discontinued models, do nit have different cam housings for left & right. Cams yes, housings no.

The FA-100T, probably the closest relative of your FA-130 uses the garden variety FA-50 style cam housing . Perhaps the FA-65 housing will fit your FA-130.. SAI6533A
Old 10-02-2017, 06:55 PM
  #34753  
the Wasp
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: VT
Posts: 4,573
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

Hobbsy, I didn't see your post about the cam cover until now, I have an extra right side cover for the 130,, the pump was broke off too but the case is fine, and it looks as if some one tried to pull out what was left in it from the pump's housing, but if you plug the hole, or weld up the hole, it should work fine, do you want it ?? let me know !!

Jim

Last edited by the Wasp; 10-02-2017 at 06:58 PM.
Old 10-03-2017, 02:46 AM
  #34754  
Rudolph Hart
 
Rudolph Hart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Perth, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 4,383
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Hobbsy View Post
Digging under a foundation is never fun, less fun if it's a sewer pipe.

I may get a chance to play the velocity stack game some more today.

I have all this wood to cut into 25" lengths and to split, it came in a Ford L 9000 heaped up,over the top. It keeps my biceps stretching my Tee shirt sleeves, even at 75.
Got the answer to your firewood choppin duties buddy,save's your biceps for important things like lifting a beer can to your mouth after you just flicked the prop on a bench running saito instead of swinging an axe.Safer than an axe i reckon
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	v8 chainsaw.jpg
Views:	31
Size:	9.9 KB
ID:	2234942  
Old 10-03-2017, 02:50 AM
  #34755  
Rudolph Hart
 
Rudolph Hart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Perth, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 4,383
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

ps forgot to mention that .50 cal tripod mounted machined guns are real good at making kindling out of solid logs
Old 10-03-2017, 02:52 AM
  #34756  
Hobbsy
My Feedback: (102)
 
Hobbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

Thanks Dan and Jim, I am keeping watch to see what the guy gets in the way of help.

Pete, that's a fine looking velocity stack,on that big Saito.

At one time I owned this very Predator 1.20 for several years, the only recommended prop was a 14 x 6 which it would turn at 12,181 rpm. If you tried a conventional 1.20 sized 15x8 prop it would only rev to about 8,000 and knock scarily.

I bought this log lifter so I don't have to saw the ground.
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Abitar 1.20.jpg
Views:	33
Size:	56.8 KB
ID:	2234943   Click image for larger version

Name:	woodchuck+log+jack_r.jpg
Views:	24
Size:	96.8 KB
ID:	2234945  

Last edited by Hobbsy; 10-03-2017 at 03:31 AM. Reason: Add picture
Old 10-03-2017, 06:16 AM
  #34757  
Hobbsy
My Feedback: (102)
 
Hobbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

Have any of you seen this before, I just opened a new Saito FA 40a, the elbow and the muffler each have a tiny gasket or maybe a retainer to keep the nuts in place during shipping. They are barely visible.
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	HPIM1261.JPG
Views:	25
Size:	1.88 MB
ID:	2234949  
Old 10-03-2017, 06:39 AM
  #34758  
acdii
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Capron, IL
Posts: 9,394
Received 42 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

Greenish in color? Found the same on that muffler I posted a while back. Looks like the same muffler too.
Old 10-03-2017, 07:42 AM
  #34759  
FlyerInOKC
My Feedback: (6)
 
FlyerInOKC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 12,220
Received 65 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

Looks like an "O" ring seal to me.
Old 10-03-2017, 07:55 AM
  #34760  
Hobbsy
My Feedback: (102)
 
Hobbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

AC, do you have an FA .40a, that sure is the muffler for one.

FIO, I just put the muffler on the .40a and left them in place. I am going to break it in now, we'll see what happens.

Last edited by Hobbsy; 10-03-2017 at 07:56 AM. Reason: Punctuation correction
Old 10-03-2017, 07:58 AM
  #34761  
acdii
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Capron, IL
Posts: 9,394
Received 42 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Hobbsy View Post
AC, do you have an FA .40a, that sure is the muffler for one.

FIO, I just put the muffler on the .40a and left them in place. I am going to break it in now, we'll see what happens.

No, that muffler was in the box with the 65, they must have switched mufflers by mistake. I have no use of it other than a conversation piece.
Old 10-03-2017, 08:09 AM
  #34762  
Hobbsy
My Feedback: (102)
 
Hobbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

I may try to trade you out of it, I have an older .40a and it's muffler is a little skinned up.
Old 10-03-2017, 11:07 AM
  #34763  
Hobbsy
My Feedback: (102)
 
Hobbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

Saito FA .40a break in using my usual 10 minutes at 1,000 rpm increments starting at 4,000 and ending at 8,000 then 15 minutes at 9,500 to use up most of the tank. In 65 minutes I couldn't burn 450 CC's of fuel.No leakage anywhere on the exhaust nor around the back plate.

New Saito FA .40a
Prop===Xoar 11x6
Plug===OS-f
Fuel===Wildcat 10% with 18% full synthetic lube
After 60 minutes run time:
Max rpm=11,130
Idle======2,250

Oh Yeah, one click rich equaled 10,880

And that's it.
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Saito FA 40a max rpm.JPG
Views:	19
Size:	1.70 MB
ID:	2234978   Click image for larger version

Name:	Saito FA 40a idle.JPG
Views:	17
Size:	2.06 MB
ID:	2234979   Click image for larger version

Name:	Saito FA 40a after.JPG
Views:	29
Size:	2.16 MB
ID:	2234980  

Last edited by Hobbsy; 10-03-2017 at 11:12 AM. Reason: Fix error
Old 10-03-2017, 11:23 AM
  #34764  
acdii
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Capron, IL
Posts: 9,394
Received 42 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Hobbsy View Post
I may try to trade you out of it, I have an older .40a and it's muffler is a little skinned up.
Look for it in the mail soon. I have no use for it, rather it go to good use than get damaged from being kicked around.
Old 10-03-2017, 11:24 AM
  #34765  
FlyerInOKC
My Feedback: (6)
 
FlyerInOKC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 12,220
Received 65 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

Sounds like 4 ozs. would get you a 15 minute flight time.
Old 10-03-2017, 11:32 AM
  #34766  
Hobbsy
My Feedback: (102)
 
Hobbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

AC, do you need a muffler for the .65, Thanks

Okey, it's definitely a "nomical" engine, you can tell when an engine comes into,it's own. At about the 25 minute mark the exhaust quieted down and it smoothed out, it was an engine then. You might say that all those parts achieved harmony.
Old 10-03-2017, 11:51 AM
  #34767  
acdii
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Capron, IL
Posts: 9,394
Received 42 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Hobbsy View Post
AC, do you need a muffler for the .65, Thanks

Okey, it's definitely a "nomical" engine, you can tell when an engine comes into,it's own. At about the 25 minute mark the exhaust quieted down and it smoothed out, it was an engine then. You might say that all those parts achieved harmony.
Just returning the favor.
Old 10-04-2017, 01:58 AM
  #34768  
Rudolph Hart
 
Rudolph Hart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Perth, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 4,383
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Hobbsy View Post
Thanks Dan and Jim, I am keeping watch to see what the guy gets in the way of help.

Pete, that's a fine looking velocity stack,on that big Saito.

At one time I owned this very Predator 1.20 for several years, the only recommended prop was a 14 x 6 which it would turn at 12,181 rpm. If you tried a conventional 1.20 sized 15x8 prop it would only rev to about 8,000 and knock scarily.

I bought this log lifter so I don't have to saw the ground.
Dave i'm not a big car fan but that belt driven overhead cam set up would look good in a mini dragster,or my ducati road bike if they made a v twin.
Old 10-04-2017, 03:23 AM
  #34769  
Hobbsy
My Feedback: (102)
 
Hobbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

Thanks Pete, it amazes me that I can go online, search for Abitar or Conley and come up with my very own pictures, the cam picture. is,not mine. Abitar moved the carb up to the intake. It gained about 200 rpm doing that.
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0735.jpg
Views:	29
Size:	58.1 KB
ID:	2239951   Click image for larger version

Name:	Conley 120 DOHC Hemi.jpg
Views:	33
Size:	63.5 KB
ID:	2239952  
Old 10-04-2017, 05:38 AM
  #34770  
FlyerInOKC
My Feedback: (6)
 
FlyerInOKC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 12,220
Received 65 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

That is some engine Hobbsy!
Old 10-04-2017, 07:58 AM
  #34771  
Hobbsy
My Feedback: (102)
 
Hobbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

The Conley and the Abitar were a good,lesson in using an engine the way it was designed. As I've mentioned before, either would turn a 14x6, (the only prop recommended) at 12,000 plus. But some insisted on trying a 15x8 with which they could barely manage 8,000 and made awful hurting sounds. This was on 10% fuel. They were mechanically quiet on the 14x6 except for the propeller howl. Notice the size of the cam followers, that was so,the valve stem did not have to handle sideways cam forces.
Old 10-04-2017, 08:19 AM
  #34772  
spaceworm
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Guilford, CT
Posts: 3,935
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Hobbsy View Post
The Conley and the Abitar were a good,lesson in using an engine the way it was designed. As I've mentioned before, either would turn a 14x6, (the only prop recommended) at 12,000 plus. But some insisted on trying a 15x8 with which they could barely manage 8,000 and made awful hurting sounds. This was on 10% fuel. They were mechanically quiet on the 14x6 except for the propeller howl. Notice the size of the cam followers, that was so,the valve stem did not have to handle sideways cam forces.
A beautiful engine, sorry it has not survived in the marketplace. However, it looks heavy and particularly top-heavy. What did it weigh and was its high cg a factor affecting it's use? thanks.
Old 10-04-2017, 08:39 AM
  #34773  
FlyerInOKC
My Feedback: (6)
 
FlyerInOKC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 12,220
Received 65 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

I find the manufacturer is usually right so I read and follow the manual on prop size and break in procedures. I have seen a lot of "problem" engines that could be straightened out by going back to the manual and following the manufacturer's instructions. The know-it-alls are great at providing bargain priced engines!
Old 10-04-2017, 09:11 AM
  #34774  
acdii
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Capron, IL
Posts: 9,394
Received 42 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

That is so true. My Saito 100 GK is one of those. I put the proper prop on, adjusted the carb the way it should be, and it purrs like a kitten and roars like a lion. The funny part, the guy I got it from said he sent it to Horizon and they couldn't get it running. Took me longer to get the cowl off than to get it to run.
Old 10-04-2017, 09:13 AM
  #34775  
Charley
My Feedback: (2)
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Kerrville, TX
Posts: 2,127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Smile

Originally Posted by Hobbsy View Post
The Conley and the Abitar were a good,lesson in using an engine the way it was designed. As I've mentioned before, either would turn a 14x6, (the only prop recommended) at 12,000 plus. But some insisted on trying a 15x8 with which they could barely manage 8,000 and made awful hurting sounds. This was on 10% fuel. They were mechanically quiet on the 14x6 except for the propeller howl. Notice the size of the cam followers, that was so,the valve stem did not have to handle sideways cam forces.
I had one of the first 10 Conleys made. It ran well started easily. I had it on a Ace 4-120 Bipe that I built from a kit. It drew attention at fly-ins. If I'd gone to a 15" prop it would have 4" or 5" pitch. The only knock on the engine was that if you got a prop strike, the timing belt would slip. If that hapenned you had to remove the engine from the model take off the cam/belt cover and retime the cams vs crank. Made you extra careful with your landings.

I sold that engine to a German collector for more than I had in it. Replaced it in the model with a early HC Saito 1.50 and the growing pains with that engine are a whole other story.

CR

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.