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Old 03-04-2019, 07:34 PM
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Ok got 150 with the bad crank pulled the head of of case marked with a F. It had a bigger piston then the one with an A.
Put the F head on the A case and cranck. Will try and run it this weekend and see how it does.
Old 03-04-2019, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Captcrunch44
Ok got 150 with the bad crank pulled the head of of case marked with a F. It had a bigger piston then the one with an A.
Put the F head on the A case and cranck. Will try and run it this weekend and see how it does.
I would expect the A crank have a longer stroke seeing as its piston is smaller. I hope you have adequate piston to valve clearance using the F cylinder and piston.
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Grease and wax remover maybe?
It would be indeed
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I'm gettin excited like a circuit with a tickle of current (i love ACDC!!)and all the talk about chargers dave,is that a plus or minus? even tractors are startin to look good...or have i dropped another cell?


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Okey Dokey Pete, here's the first look a the 56 GK, no cleaning done yet
Nice to see a pile of saito innards,i usually spend quite a lot of time at that stage checking parts with the mk1 eyeball which can be hampered by a slow processor

The elbow and muffler look very clean,low time engine?? and here's a pic to inspire your paint job efforts buddy
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Jim, you can't beat a Battery Tender for quality: https://batterytender.com/collections/chargers, 39 bucks to 685 bucks, lots of choices.
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Cap, I think the engine you think is a 150 may in fact be a 120, it's easy to prove though. Or it could be a 180.

180 bore===1.41" stroke===1.12"
150 bore===1.33" stroke===1.08"
120 bore===1.26" stroke===0.9673" 24.8 mm

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Old 03-05-2019, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Grease and wax remover maybe?


GlowGeek wins the big bucks.
Old 03-05-2019, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
150 bore===1.33" stroke===1.33"
Or is it? Early you said one of your 150's had a bigger piston. Maybe you weren't talking about diameter?
Old 03-05-2019, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hart


I'm gettin excited like a circuit with a tickle of current (i love ACDC!!)and all the talk about chargers dave,is that a plus or minus? even tractors are startin to look good...or have i dropped another cell?




Nice to see a pile of saito innards,i usually spend quite a lot of time at that stage checking parts with the mk1 eyeball which can be hampered by a slow processor

The elbow and muffler look very clean,low time engine?? and here's a pic to inspire your paint job efforts buddy
Yep, it feels good to organize that stuff into a fine engine. I think I have the better end cap for that muffler somewhere. If not I'll get the "revised" one. I had a Sears charger for 25+ years and my son left it out in the rain, I carefully dried it out, or so I thought, but when I plugged it in the power supply transformer fried itself.
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Or is it? Early you said one of your 150's had a bigger piston. Maybe you weren't talking about diameter?

You typed too fast, I corrected it. Sorry
Old 03-05-2019, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hart


I'm gettin excited like a circuit with a tickle of current (i love ACDC!!)and all the talk about chargers dave,is that a plus or minus? even tractors are startin to look good...or have i dropped another cell?




Nice to see a pile of saito innards,i usually spend quite a lot of time at that stage checking parts with the mk1 eyeball which can be hampered by a slow processor

The elbow and muffler look very clean,low time engine?? and here's a pic to inspire your paint job efforts buddy

Pete, the rocker cover gaskets are the blue ones, I will have jackhammer them off.

A friend of mine, (70 years as best friend) and I souped up a ford flat head, it wore Offehauser 10 to 1 heads, Power Dome pistons, Grant chrome rings, an Edmunds 2 x 2 manifold, two Stromberg 97 carbs, Mallory Mag Spark ignition, I can't remember the cam brand.

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For home use I use a DC switching type power supply that uses adjustable voltage and current limit. I always power battery chargers of any type through a universal,fully programmable digital timer, also home made.

We used to buy the Battery Tender chargers at work in quantity lots.
Since then we have switched over to a different brand for several reasons.

BTW guess where Battery Tender gets their chargers?

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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Or is it? Early you said one of your 150's had a bigger piston. Maybe you weren't talking about diameter?
yeah the diameter was different. But with the information that Hobbsy just gave me makes me wonder.
The parts engine that got off ebay is supposed to be 150.
Thinking that was a mistake. So now i have a 150 with a short stroke. It will be fine.
I will find out this weekend when the weather warms up a little

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Originally Posted by Captcrunch44


yeah the diameter was different. But with the information that Hobbsy just gave me makes me wonder.
The parts engine that got off ebay is supposed to be 150.
Thinking that was a mistake. So now i have a 150 with a short stroke. It will be fine.
I will find out this weekend when the weather warms up a little

Mike, with the shorter stroke, is it going to have low compression? Thanks
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open

BTW guess where Battery Tender gets their chargers?
+1 and the reviews for the newest ones can get pretty ugly. That said my older wall wart style Battery Tenders have worked flawlessly for years.
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Mike, with the shorter stroke, is it going to have low compression? Thanks
Dave
well I would think so. But will it be that bad with just a .0something difference. If it doesn’t run like I think it should i will get a 150 crank.
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Originally Posted by cahusker
I'm in need of a valve guide for a Saito 120. Does anyone have a broken cylinder that I could harvest a valve guide from? A 120-180 cylinder would work as long as it had a good guide or two in it.
Do you want that 150 cylinder that I posted earlier?

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Like most things that get reviewed, most work very well in spite of the reviews. I subscribed to Consumer Mag. for one year about 30 years ago, I quickly learned that they hated all things American.
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Like most things that get reviewed, most work very well in spite of the reviews. I subscribed to Consumer Mag. for one year about 30 years ago, I quickly learned that they hated all things American.
But the Battery Tender is made in China.
Performance varies greatly from model to model.
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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hart


I'm gettin excited like a circuit with a tickle of current (i love ACDC!!)and all the talk about chargers dave,is that a plus or minus? even tractors are startin to look good...or have i dropped another cell?
You mean there might been someone left on this thread still in possession of all his mental faculties?! Can't be we all need to be carted off the the loony bin!
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open




Do you want that 150 cylinder that I posted earlier?
Yes I would like to have that cylinder. Please let me know what you want for it and I will pay for the shipping.
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Originally Posted by Captcrunch44


yeah the diameter was different. But with the information that Hobbsy just gave me makes me wonder.
The parts engine that got off ebay is supposed to be 150.
Thinking that was a mistake. So now i have a 150 with a short stroke. It will be fine.
I will find out this weekend when the weather warms up a little
Confusing this old guy!

What crank do you think you have?
The 120 crank is 2.7mm shorter stroke than a 150.
The 180 crank is 1.1 mm longer.

The bores are 2mm from one to the next IE: the 120 is 32mm, the 150 is 34mm and the 180 is 36mm bore dia.
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Timing the Large Saito? How do you guys set the timing on the larger Saito's with the lifter that has a head on it. With the smaller Saito, you can drop the lifters in after you engage the timing gears by engaging the little hole in the cam with a pin thru the lifter bore. The 180 I am working on has to have the lifters in before you mount the cam box. Just wondering if there are any techniques I am unaware of other than just a careful "eyeball" job to have the crank pin at TDC and the timing mark on the gear at the bottom as you carefully bring the gears to mesh. After you have it meshed is there a way check it other than starting it up and seeing if it runs poorly. Thanks for any input......Mike
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Originally Posted by mirion
Timing the Large Saito? How do you guys set the timing on the larger Saito's with the lifter that has a head on it. With the smaller Saito, you can drop the lifters in after you engage the timing gears by engaging the little hole in the cam with a pin thru the lifter bore. The 180 I am working on has to have the lifters in before you mount the cam box. Just wondering if there are any techniques I am unaware of other than just a careful "eyeball" job to have the crank pin at TDC and the timing mark on the gear at the bottom as you carefully bring the gears to mesh. After you have it meshed is there a way check it other than starting it up and seeing if it runs poorly. Thanks for any input......Mike
A good eye will get the job done. However...

I use a little horseshoe shaped plate to hold the cam's spur gear in position. I also use a plug in the rear opening to hold the crank at TDC, some even just use a rubber band. I will try to post a pic later tonight.

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Old 03-05-2019, 08:05 AM
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I muse two one inch long studs, (socket heads with the heads cut off) diagonally placed in the cam cover hold down screw holes, I then hold the cam in the correct position with an Exacto blade and lower the assembly down over the studs. Easy Peasy.

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