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Old 03-07-2019, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
For mechanical things, IMHO, bare metal is honest
A fine metal finish is a thing of beauty..Even with clearcoat.

Yea Dave, That goop job needs help!

Thanks, I know you know that that stuff is messy.

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Old 03-07-2019, 03:34 PM
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Dave, I was just agreeing with you.

Pipe joints using SWAK? Far more than a thousand. 100% perfect? No.

But the worst looked better than that!

Hoped you realized I was kidding.If we were at the field I bet we would both be laughing


Pete, make me pay for that. You dish out the abuse so slick. I actually enjoy it. My wife gets a kick out of it too. She says you and her should compare notes someday. Geez, that is scary!
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Dave, looking forward to seeing you put the rattle can special through its paces. Which Graupner prop will you be using? Can you try an APC so Pete and I can relate your findings?

Jim, I won't go in to detail regarding the chargers her. The wall watt stuff they sell may work OK but the bigger stuff we did quit using after a very short time.
Better discussed VIA email.
We went to Pro Nautical brand and that has worked out well. May be from the same folks you wound up with.

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Old 03-07-2019, 04:03 PM
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I am not much of an APC fan, no pun there, I have a Graupner G-Sonic 12 x 6 ready for it. I received a 50 GK from El Capitan Crunch, thanks Mike, it's very nice. I'll get it inspected in a day or two. it has one of those black wiener mufflers if you'd like it. Ignore my lame retort please. Life is too heavy at the moment, but that's another story.

I am glad to get the 50, it will be perfect for the Mid Star.
Old 03-07-2019, 04:38 PM
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My building time has now been converted to RV time. I need to clean and prep my current trailer so I can put it up for sale so that we can purchase a new one we have our sights on. Will see how this year goes, if I get my groove back and get some air time in, if not then I wont be renewing my AMA next year. I don't know why, but I have not had the urge to work on my b-25 at all. Other than the cowls I have everything I need to finish it too. Would be nice to figure out what engine to use in the P-61 so that I could get started procuring them, but I don't think there is a large enough Saito that can run on gas that will work. Needs at least a pair of 50cc gas 2 strokes to fly, and I hate 2 strokes.
Old 03-07-2019, 07:27 PM
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Garry "Pro Nautic battery chargers", thank you for giving me a new brand name to search just 4 hours after I ordered the Solar LOL hee hee, seriously tho, them babies cost $$$$$

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Old 03-07-2019, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by acdii
My building time has now been converted to RV time. I need to clean and prep my current trailer so I can put it up for sale so that we can purchase a new one we have our sights on. Will see how this year goes, if I get my groove back and get some air time in, if not then I wont be renewing my AMA next year. I don't know why, but I have not had the urge to work on my b-25 at all. Other than the cowls I have everything I need to finish it too. Would be nice to figure out what engine to use in the P-61 so that I could get started procuring them, but I don't think there is a large enough Saito that can run on gas that will work. Needs at least a pair of 50cc gas 2 strokes to fly, and I hate 2 strokes.
I was going to ask if the Kavan 50cc twin 4-St will fit for you, but my god I did not know that they cost $6.500 and $7.500

http://www.mecoa.com/kavan/index.htm

are the Roto's 85 Twin too much money/too big of an engine

Four stroke gasoline engines | ROTOengines

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Old 03-07-2019, 09:09 PM
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Garry, thank you, I received the carb late today after I was on-line the first time, please send me a PM telling me the price of shipping and I will send the check adding the amount for the carb.

for those that do not know what I want to do, I will be putting my FA100 in a Midget Mustang, and I would like to put the FA125's Carb on the 100 engine.. I also have a FA82, so I will throw that info in too..

NOTE: to get a correct measurement I will have to remove the Barrels from each carb's body, the manifolds are not round ether, but here is what I got from measuring each Barrel's ID from the manifold's side of the carb

Carb Barrels ID,,
my FA100 Barrel's ID is .020 larger than my FA82's Barrel..

the FA125 Barrel is .010" larger than my FA100's Barrel..

Manifolds,,
the FA100's manifold ID is .010" larger than the 82's manifold's ID,
and the 100's manifold will fit the 82 cylinder head, but will have to be shorten on the Carb's side. so you could easily put the 100's carb and manifold on the 82 engine,, slick man, just slick !!

the FA 125's Manifold's ID is .016 larger than the 100's manifold's ID..
the very tip of the 125's manifold is bent, plus it is about .025 out-of-round, so I can not fit it too the 100 engine, so I do not know if it will fit the 100, I will have to buy a new 125 manifold to test fit it.

I had thought the differences would have been larger between the 125 and 100,, never the less, if the 125's manifold fits the 100, the 100 will breath better, then add the 125 carb on top of that..

Jim
Old 03-08-2019, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
I am not much of an APC fan, no pun there, I have a Graupner G-Sonic 12 x 6 ready for it. I received a 50 GK from El Capitan Crunch, thanks Mike, it's very nice. I'll get it inspected in a day or two. it has one of those black wiener mufflers if you'd like it. Ignore my lame retort please. Life is too heavy at the moment, but that's another story.

I am glad to get the 50, it will be perfect for the Mid Star.



Dave sometimes you got to say 'what the heck' light the fire and sip something like this while raising a mental middle digit to the rest of the world.I slip my arai helmet on and ride the duke up in the hills,in charger terms it's a good circuit breaker for the brain box.Kinda like turning your computer power supply off to give it time to reset it's gyros,if that doesn't work slap it.

pssstt gary,it's a known fact that dave is a closet apc prop user,maybe when he's given the engine mount and bearings on the gk a good shake with that out of balance hard boiled old grey graupner prop,we can talk him in to coming out and running it with a 12x6 apc,real good flying prop

ps there's no lame retorts or stupid questions here.
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The Graupners have been modernized a little, I still have plenty of the grey ones but have a good selection of the G-Sonics.
Old 03-08-2019, 05:33 AM
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Yeah
those are great looking props
i’m more partial to the master airscrew sematar props.
Old 03-08-2019, 05:43 AM
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To be honest, I love the grey Graupners, as well. Those look like electrics.
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Originally Posted by Cougar429
To be honest, I love the grey Graupners, as well. Those look like electrics.
The grey, most likely the best prop ever made: they still have a few: https://www.graupnerusa.com/SUPER-NY...LER_c_204.html
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Originally Posted by Cougar429
To be honest, I love the grey Graupners, as well. Those look like electrics.
I was thinking the same thing.
Old 03-08-2019, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy

The Graupners have been modernized a little, I still have plenty of the grey ones but have a good selection of the G-Sonics.
looks like they are now coping APC LOL

sorry Dave LOL
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I wish the apc 14" props were that shape and weighed less. The apc 13x7 is that shape, weighs 1.65 oz and spins at 10250 peak on my 82. The apc 14x6 has a wider blade shape common to bigger apc props, weighs 2.5 oz and drags the 82 down to 9150 peak. Big chunk of plastic. I wish apc made a 14x5 sport prop but no. They make a 13x4 and 4w but I'm not trying to hover all day. They also make a 13x8 in that thinner profile (apc/g-sonic), that's probably what I'll end up getting as it should peak the rpm around 9600, where I want to be, but I'll be sacrificing significant thrust. Who knows, maybe as in runs in over the next 2 or 3 gallons I'll be able to step up to the big chunk. I'm running a 50/50 mix of 15% Omega/15% CP.

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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
I wish the apc 14" props were that shape and weighed less. The apc 13x7 is that shape, weighs 1.65 oz and spins at 10250 peak on my 82. The apc 14x6 has a wider blade shape common to bigger apc props, weighs 2.5 oz and drags the 82 down to 9150 peak. Big chunk of plastic. I wish apc made a 14x5 sport prop but no. They make a 13x4 and 4w but I'm not trying to hover all day. They also make a 13x8 in that thinner profile (apc/g-sonic), that's probably what I'll end up getting as it should peak the rpm around 9600, where I want to be, but I'll be sacrificing significant thrust. Who knows, maybe as in runs in over the next 2 or 3 gallons I'll be able to step up to the big chunk. I'm running a 50/50 mix of 15% Omega/15% CP.
this is why i use master air screw scimitar props they let the engine load up a little bit with out sacrificing thrust. And if you are worried about weight ( witch i have never heard of or even gave it a thought) the scimitar props are a little liter then a APC.
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By the Jesse open thanks for the pipe.
It will look cool on amy one of my big blocks
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Originally Posted by Captcrunch44


this is why i use master air screw scimitar props they let the engine load up a little bit with out sacrificing thrust. And if you are worried about weight ( witch i have never heard of or even gave it a thought) the scimitar props are a little liter then a APC.


Light Prop/Heavy Prop
I have an APC 13x7 and a Masterscrew 13x6 (Beachwood Sport Square Tip), the Masterscrew has much more Blade Area yet it's much lighter too, but then again one is wood, and the other is plastic,

in the past I only stuck with APC for 2 reasons.
1) every store sold them
2) if I had the wrong prop on a given engine it would make it easy to pick the correct prop for that engine,

but it makes since that if you buy at least 2 different brands you will have a better choices to tune an engine to the RPM you want it to run in, and at what RPM you want your engine to start pulling from.

you know I started out with Helis first, that is what got me in the hobby,, but once this Heli crashes I am done with them, I'm leaving the Helis behind because I have come to love the smoothness and big air that the planes deliver

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The 16 dollar valves


Better shot, the 22 dollar valves.

Some of you may find this interesting, Saito has two differing sets of valves available for the 50. One set at $16.00 has a straight valve stem, the the other at $22.00 has the stem diameter reduced just below the valve head. The 50 Cap sent me has the higher flow ones. That's all know to call them. You can just barely see the reduced diameter area.

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Originally Posted by Hobbsy


The 16 dollar valves


Better shot, the 22 dollar valves.

Some of you may find this interesting, Saito has two differing sets of valves available for the 50. One set at $16.00 has a straight valve stem, the the other at $22.00 has the stem diameter reduced just below the valve head. The 50 Cap sent me has the higher flow ones. That's all know to call them. You can just barely see the reduced diameter area.

have you ever noticed a power difference between the standard and the Golden Knight Versions
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Originally Posted by Captcrunch44



have you ever noticed a power difference between the standard and the Golden Knight Versions
No sir, I never did, the 50 GK does not need valves, I just noticed the different valves when looking at the spray bar at Horizon. It's going be a sweet heart when the paint is done, Thank you much.
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
No sir, I never did, the 50 GK does not need valves, I just noticed the different valves when looking at the spray bar at Horizon. It's going be a sweet heart when the paint is done, Thank you much.
yeah
not to brag but I managed to get my hands on 5 of the GK .56’s. Two I bought new from the hobby shop for a twin i was going to build but it was 15 years later I actually put them in a twin after being in a fazer and something extra for all that time. Boy they pull the Duel Ace around great.
Two others were bought off eBay with no competition after a valve unsticking. They run great and look like new engines. The last one i just got is new in the box.
I have been trying to get GK’s in all the single cylinder size’s.
That proving to be a challenge.
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Capt, are those two versions of the Saito 50 valves have different part numbers or do the “higher flow” ones replace the older style and part number?
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Capt, are those two versions of the Saito 50 valves have different part numbers or do the “higher flow” ones replace the older style and part number?
boy I don’t know
you would have to ask Mr.Hobbys.
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Hobbsy,are those two versions of the Saito 50 valves have different part numbers or do the “higher flow” ones replace the older style and part number?

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