Welcome to Club SAITO !
04-03-2019, 03:38 PM
Welcome to the club kwalker. I don't have any saitos that big but they're all pretty much the same; wonderful runners.
Saitos: "The engines Jim gives funny names to!"
Saitos: "The engines Jim gives funny names to!"
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04-03-2019, 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by KWalker98
I just acquired my first Saito, I usually run OS two strokes, electrics, or large gasers, it's a Saito 180 Golden Knight that is going into my 1.20 P6E hawk. I'll post pics when I get some. Glad to be here.
The 180 is awesome. I have couple myself.
Along with a couple smaller Saito’s.
04-03-2019, 05:04 PM
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welcome aboard Kwalker, but you must be warned early, you will soon be a Saito freak like the rest of us
hey guys, you should have been around for the bearing wars we had back a few years with our OS Hyper 50 Heli engines.. while the first OS 50 SX Heli (silver head) had NTN rear bearings, they were lasting 4, 5, or more years, yet the un-badge rear bearing that came in the Hyper 50 engine (blue head) were lasting only 1 or 2 gallons, some times 3 gallons, if you were lucky., but most were not lucky.
I had 2 OS Hyper 50s, well I bought a NTN and for the other I bought a NSK, I bought both bearings at the same time. in the hand, well I tell you the NSK was smoother !!
Jim
Saito Engines, like butter on bread, sweet sweet sweet
hey guys, you should have been around for the bearing wars we had back a few years with our OS Hyper 50 Heli engines.. while the first OS 50 SX Heli (silver head) had NTN rear bearings, they were lasting 4, 5, or more years, yet the un-badge rear bearing that came in the Hyper 50 engine (blue head) were lasting only 1 or 2 gallons, some times 3 gallons, if you were lucky., but most were not lucky.
I had 2 OS Hyper 50s, well I bought a NTN and for the other I bought a NSK, I bought both bearings at the same time. in the hand, well I tell you the NSK was smoother !!
Jim
Saito Engines, like butter on bread, sweet sweet sweet
04-03-2019, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
I leave castor far away from my engines, it eventually turns into glue.
Been there done that..
04-03-2019, 06:10 PM
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LOL that name "Spark-O-Matic" was for the plane, but I was thinking about calling my FA 115 "J-Lo" because as the way Pete talks about the 115, it must have it, all over it 
Jim
Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Welcome to the club kwalker. I don't have any saitos that big but they're all pretty much the same; wonderful runners.
Saitos: "The engines Jim gives funny names to!"
Saitos: "The engines Jim gives funny names to!"
Jim
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04-03-2019, 06:32 PM
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hey guys, I forgot to tell, my wife & son and daughter in-law came back from their trip, he won a $Grand and his wife won $400 in the casino, he said they each were playing a penny slot machine and the machines kept giving them extras and specials, he said once in a while he would put a dime in and win, he said 1 win gave him $500, he said he wants to go back, LOL I told him if he goes back he will slowly be paying back the casino
Jim
Jim
04-03-2019, 06:36 PM
Originally Posted by the Wasp
hey guys, I forgot to tell, my wife & son and daughter in-law came back from their trip, he won a $Grand and his wife won $400 in the casino, he said they each were playing a penny slot machine and the machines kept giving them extras and specials, he said once in a while he would put a dime in and win, he said 1 win gave him $500, he said he wants to go back, LOL I told him if he goes back he will slowly be paying back the casino
Jim
Jim
04-03-2019, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by acdii
Truth. Won $500 myself on nickel slots, next time I went back lost $200.
Jim
04-04-2019, 01:35 AM
Originally Posted by SrTelemaster150
And when the exhaust valve starts sticking to the seat it will wipe the nose off the exhaust lobe of the cam.
Been there done that..
Been there done that..
04-04-2019, 01:49 AM
New bearings and gaskets done.I use between 3 and 5% castor in all my saito engines.Stripped this one straight after a flying day and as usual the cam gear and pushrods are wet with oil,standard cc vent.
Originally Posted by Glowgeek
If my wife really wants some she'll use a little castor on her neck. Lol
castor oil has excellent anti inflammatory properties if you rub it on your own joints,not the recreational ones.Dave that white grease is an old tub of shell molly denim disulfide (MoS2 for the tech heads) i just use a dab to hold gaskets in place,the rest of the parts get a wipe over with automatic transmission fluid.
04-04-2019, 01:51 AM
Originally Posted by the Wasp
welcome aboard Kwalker, but you must be warned early, you will soon be a Saito freak like the rest of us
hey guys, you should have been around for the bearing wars we had back a few years with our OS Hyper 50 Heli engines.. while the first OS 50 SX Heli (silver head) had NTN rear bearings, they were lasting 4, 5, or more years, yet the un-badge rear bearing that came in the Hyper 50 engine (blue head) were lasting only 1 or 2 gallons, some times 3 gallons, if you were lucky., but most were not lucky.
I had 2 OS Hyper 50s, well I bought a NTN and for the other I bought a NSK, I bought both bearings at the same time. in the hand, well I tell you the NSK was smoother !!
Jim
Saito Engines, like butter on bread, sweet sweet sweet
hey guys, you should have been around for the bearing wars we had back a few years with our OS Hyper 50 Heli engines.. while the first OS 50 SX Heli (silver head) had NTN rear bearings, they were lasting 4, 5, or more years, yet the un-badge rear bearing that came in the Hyper 50 engine (blue head) were lasting only 1 or 2 gallons, some times 3 gallons, if you were lucky., but most were not lucky.
I had 2 OS Hyper 50s, well I bought a NTN and for the other I bought a NSK, I bought both bearings at the same time. in the hand, well I tell you the NSK was smoother !!
Jim
Saito Engines, like butter on bread, sweet sweet sweet
I still look for European stuff for my own uses.
04-04-2019, 03:13 AM
Originally Posted by Jesse Open
When I was doing bearing replacements in machine repair, Chinese bearings were not a factor. The Japanese stuff was just starting to show up at the bearings dealers. It was a similar situation. The American and European bearings would blow NTN and NSK stuff away in every way.
I still look for European stuff for my own uses.
04-04-2019, 03:24 AM
One of the local bearing suppliers.:
https://www.motionindustries.com/tax...AMRC+%28SKF%29
Often you can even find NOS USA made such as New Departure Hyatt etc.
https://www.motionindustries.com/tax...AMRC+%28SKF%29
Often you can even find NOS USA made such as New Departure Hyatt etc.
04-04-2019, 03:24 AM
One of the local bearing suppliers.:
https://www.motionindustries.com/tax...AMRC+%28SKF%29
Often you can even find NOS USA made such as New Departure Hyatt etc.
Be aware, a Euro name doesn't automatically mean Euro made. They are however made to very high standards.
https://www.motionindustries.com/tax...AMRC+%28SKF%29
Often you can even find NOS USA made such as New Departure Hyatt etc.
Be aware, a Euro name doesn't automatically mean Euro made. They are however made to very high standards.
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04-04-2019, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by KWalker98
I just acquired my first Saito, I usually run OS two strokes, electrics, or large gasers, it's a Saito 180 Golden Knight that is going into my 1.20 P6E hawk. I'll post pics when I get some. Glad to be here.
Welcome K, we have quite the diverse group as you'll see from viewing our varied and differing opinions
I'm Dave, I keep castor far from my engines and get busted almost daily for it.
Avid motorcyclist.Rudolph is Pete,RC guy and motorcyclist, a very talented builder and motorcycle and auto painter.
Captain Crunch is Mike, flooring guy and RC pilot
Jesse is Gary, man of many talents, RC pilot and builder, great all around machinist, a motorcyclist also
Jim is Jim I don't his vocation, he is an RC builder and flyer
GlowGeek, I'm short on his facts
ACDC, we have trade engines with each other
All of us rebuild engines and compare notes here.
Saito 130 before
Saito 130 after
04-04-2019, 05:27 AM
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Taipan and OS-f,The Fox Miracle lines up the same as the Taipan.
Fox Miracle
Taipan completely fills thread cavity like Fox does.
OS-f leaves two of the cylinders threads exposed even though the nose protrudes into the combustion chamber.
Glow plugs, these pictures are not as good as I'd like, a while back there was some mention that certain glow plugs left threads exposed in the combustion chamber of Saitos. I experimented with a Fox Miracle, Saito SS, Taipan 4-c special and an OS -f. The Fox Miracle and the Taipan completely filled the thread cavity, the OS-f and the Saito ss left about 2 threads exposed. Big deal or no, I don't know, I have always thought that the Fox Miracle, the Taipan and the Sonic Tronics, 4-c all provided smooth midrange and great idle, no plug seems to effect top rpm.
04-04-2019, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by acdii
I found the Fox plugs ran the smoothest over the F. I have some Merlin plugs and the verdict is still out. https://www.merlinglowplugs.com/
04-04-2019, 06:47 AM
Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Welcome K, we have quite the diverse group as you'll see from viewing our varied and differing opinions
I'm Dave, I keep castor far from my engines and get busted almost daily for it. Avid motorcyclist.
Rudolph is Pete,RC guy and motorcyclist, a very talented builder and motorcycle and auto painter.
Captain Crunch is Mike, flooring guy and RC pilot
Jesse is Gary, man of many talents, RC pilot and builder, great all around machinist, a motorcyclist also
Jim is Jim I don't his vocation, he is an RC builder and flyer
GlowGeek, I'm short on his facts
ACDC, we have trade engines with each other
All of us rebuild engines and compare notes here.
Saito 130 before
Saito 130 after
I'm Dave, I keep castor far from my engines and get busted almost daily for it.
Avid motorcyclist.Rudolph is Pete,RC guy and motorcyclist, a very talented builder and motorcycle and auto painter.
Captain Crunch is Mike, flooring guy and RC pilot
Jesse is Gary, man of many talents, RC pilot and builder, great all around machinist, a motorcyclist also
Jim is Jim I don't his vocation, he is an RC builder and flyer
GlowGeek, I'm short on his facts
ACDC, we have trade engines with each other
All of us rebuild engines and compare notes here.
Saito 130 before
Saito 130 after
A bit of curiosity here. IIRC, the Saito FA-130T cam set had unique part numbers. Was the FA-182 cam pair a good replacement?
Originally Posted by acdii
I found the Fox plugs ran the smoothest over the F. I have some Merlin plugs and the verdict is still out. https://www.merlinglowplugs.com/
No problems here from the OS "F" plug, or the Enya #3 plug. Not expensive and very light in weight
They last darn near forever too!
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04-04-2019, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
How about dropping some Euro bearing mfg names on us Gary? I'd like to research some better alternatives.
Here are the first round of Saito 50 numbers: Each number arrived at three times by reducing rpm by 100 rich then re-peaking.
Saito 50 GK
Prop===APC 12x6
Fuel===Wildcat 10% with 18% full syn.
Plug===Fox Miracle
Muffler=Stock cast, not the revised version but same internals.
Turbo Header
RPM stock muffler======9,240
RPM with Turbo Header==9,390
Idle=================1,770
The poit, poit, poit, is alive and well at idle with the Turbo Header.
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04-04-2019, 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by Jesse Open
Could be corrosion etching from oil retained moisture. Is that a rear vented engine?
Front vented engine below the cam box on the crankcase. What interesting is the original main bearing was a shielded bearing. You would think with a front vent that the main bearing would be open to allow efficient flow of oil to the vent.
