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Old 12-12-2019, 02:25 PM
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Those old plasma TVs are horrible noise generators. They spew a load of RF interference to radio communications.

My next door "neighbor" had one that totally wiped out my amateur radio operations. Would have been tolerable but it was like his security blanket and it was turned on 24-7. I asked if he could give it a rest at any agreed time. He said no way. I explained that his interference was illegal and I was trying to be reasonable.He still refused. A phone call to the FCC field office brought out an inspector. A week later the neighbor received a warning letter. It promised fines if he continued to operate the noise generator. Now, the neighbor wants my help. Being a nice guy, I bought him a new OLED TV in exchange for the plasma thingy. I could have pushed the point as it was simply on him to stop.

We became pretty good friends too. You could have picked up that TV in the trash,but after I was finished, a simple repair was not
happening.

More than the typical trash picker would care to fix
True story, but you know I am just having a little fun here

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Good job Dave. Let's hope that firewall is as flat as your saw table
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Here is a little ritual I go through when I attach the engine mounts to a twin, I set the engine on my big band saw table or my drill press table as shown. I exert down pressure while taking up the last half thread or so of the bolts. Snug them while maintaining the pressure, then torque them to 20 inch pounds all around. They are even with no rocking after that.

Even Steven, no rocking.

hey Dave, I'm happy you got that 60, you did a good job on it, here's a little funny story about that 60>, about 2 months ago I PM'ed Gary, I asked if he had a 90Ts he would sell, he said no but he had the 60. I wanted it but I passed on it, I wanted a bit more power for my 4 Star 60, but I did have that 60 in the back of my mind for the next few weeks. but I am very glad you snagged it.

boy, I wish Gary had a low time 100iL twin up for grabs for $100, I'd give him another $200 for the shipping

Gary, do you have another FA 100 carb body you want to sell ??

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hey I thought this was a Saito page, that drag racing chick is back ??? what's going on

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Old 12-13-2019, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by the Wasp
hey I thought this was a Saito page, that drag racing chick is back ??? what's going on

Jim
Ya want to see her again?
Nope, no more hundred dollar 100 twins.

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Originally Posted by the Wasp
hey I thought this was a Saito page, that drag racing chick is back ??? what's going on

Jim
Jim, you just know there's twenty feet of garden hose and a golf ball in that story, lets move on for crying out loud.

Dave , gary has a good point about the firewall, do you think you are getting a bit pernickity about torquing the engine down on the mount?
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey
Use Viton in the tank on the clunk line and you don't have to worry about it getting hard and falling apart.
Thank, I'll try that.
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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hart
Jim, you just know there's twenty feet of garden hose and a golf ball in that story, lets move on for crying out loud.

Dave , gary has a good point about the firewall, do you think you are getting a bit pernickity about torquing the engine down on the mount?

Pete, I thought the story was about a double shot sling-shot

got me a Saito FA91 setting by my monitor right now, and it's lighter and more powerful than that old smelly OS 61FX

Jim

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Originally Posted by the Wasp
Pete, I thought the story was about a double shot sling-shot

got me a Saito FA91 setting by my monitor right now, and it's lighter and more powerful than that old smelly OS 61FX

Jim
Jim, that old smelly OS 61FX will make a great paperweight! You can use on plans that try to roll themselves up.
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
Jim, that old smelly OS 61FX will make a great paperweight! You can use on plans that try to roll themselves up.
you want to build my TellStar 60 air frame for me, I'll send the engine with the kit LOL

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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hart
Jim, you just know there's twenty feet of garden hose and a golf ball in that story, lets move on for crying out loud.

Dave , gary has a good point about the firewall, do you think you are getting a bit pernickity about torquing the engine down on the mount?

I wish I could torque the cylinder bases down too, but the Tork-It Bits won't lean over enough, they fit too precisely.
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
I wish I could torque the cylinder bases down too, but the Tork-It Bits won't lean over enough, they fit too precisely.

You can Dave, there are a few ways.; takes making a special but fairly easy adapter. Ever seen a major problem in that location from not using a torque wrench though?

BTW, I too have always tweaked those sheet metal feet for flatness.

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Yep, I've seen those feet where they were not exactly flat.
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Originally Posted by the Wasp
you want to build my TellStar 60 air frame for me, I'll send the engine with the kit LOL

Jim
Thanks but I have too many projects already!
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
You can Dave, there are a few ways.; takes making a special but fairly easy adapter. Ever seen a major problem in that location from not using a torque wrench though?

BTW, I too have always tweaked those sheet metal feet for flatness.
although I don't take that stuff with my RC motors as seriously. My Harley-Davidson vintage engines always get torqued properly at the cylinder base bolts, head bolts , crank pins etc. Anything with a spec will see a crisscross torque pattern. I have seen more than one chinesium cylinder fail by the dog ear breaking off from metal fatigue or who knows what. Always a
safe bet to always correctly torque a critical fastener.
Laughingly, last week a friend couldn't get a fa100 to run right at the field he was stressfullly trying to maiden.
He had the cowl off and was trying to get to run ("tuning") and it was running like crap( very UN Saito like).
I observed daylight at the cylinder base to case flange.
All four had fasteners loosened to the point of a weeping opening between the cylinder base and crankcase and it was running that way.i
Tightened em up and presto! Normal tuning and running
​​​​​​lol.
Now when I looked down from my Panhead perch at a stop light and saw the same thing happening to my rear cylinder and it dancing a jig and reel with the piston causing the lay back dip at the top of the stroke....
That was noteworthy of a opening of the ignition switch.
Post haste.
Darn repoo chinesium jugs.
Couldn't find American castings last upper end repair...
Bottom line.
Torque practicing is just plain smart.
Some things benefit from a little stretching.
Sometimes even the human grey matter.
No spec for that though.....
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Originally Posted by Hyjinx
although I don't take that stuff with my RC motors as seriously. My Harley-Davidson vintage engines always get torqued properly at the cylinder base bolts, head bolts , crank pins etc. Anything with a spec will see a crisscross torque pattern. I have seen more than one chinesium cylinder fail by the dog ear breaking off from metal fatigue or who knows what. Always a
safe bet to always correctly torque a critical fastener.
Laughingly, last week a friend couldn't get a fa100 to run right at the field he was stressfullly trying to maiden.
He had the cowl off and was trying to get to run ("tuning") and it was running like crap( very UN Saito like).
I observed daylight at the cylinder base to case flange.
All four had fasteners loosened to the point of a weeping opening between the cylinder base and crankcase and it was running that way.i
Tightened em up and presto! Normal tuning and running
​​​​​​lol.
Now when I looked down from my Panhead perch at a stop light and saw the same thing happening to my rear cylinder and it dancing a jig and reel with the piston causing the lay back dip at the top of the stroke....
That was noteworthy of a opening of the ignition switch.
Post haste.
Darn repoo chinesium jugs.
Couldn't find American castings last upper end repair...
Bottom line.
Torque practicing is just plain smart.
Some things benefit from a little stretching.
Sometimes even the human grey matter.
No spec for that though.....
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Furthermore gentlemen
If any of you who can't abide with the OEM gas specific carburetors on your FG series engines have not thrown them in the recycle bin yet. Let me send you a empty box with a enclosed mailer inside.
I think they work great. Have a couple fa motors I would like to run on gas.
Any takers.... Pm me an address to send the box to eh?
And a size for the box lol. Take all you got!
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Re FG carbs:
What?, and take all the fun out of re-alloying them with a sledgehammer?

Heck, I've not even started my first FG, still waiting for the ignition to arrive.
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Re FG carbs:
What?, and take all the fun out of re-alloying them with a sledgehammer?

Heck, I've not even started my first FG, still waiting for the ignition to arrive.
Sernd me the carbs. I will send you two strokes and japanese motorcycles for the hammer forming.
Saito parts dont deserve that! 😁
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Originally Posted by Hyjinx
although I don't take that stuff with my RC motors as seriously. My Harley-Davidson vintage engines always get torqued properly at the cylinder base bolts, head bolts , crank pins etc. Anything with a spec will see a crisscross torque pattern. I have seen more than one chinesium cylinder fail by the dog ear breaking off from metal fatigue or who knows what. Always a
safe bet to always correctly torque a critical fastener.
Laughingly, last week a friend couldn't get a fa100 to run right at the field he was stressfullly trying to maiden.
He had the cowl off and was trying to get to run ("tuning") and it was running like crap( very UN Saito like).
I observed daylight at the cylinder base to case flange.
All four had fasteners loosened to the point of a weeping opening between the cylinder base and crankcase and it was running that way.i
Tightened em up and presto! Normal tuning and running
​​​​​​lol.
Now when I looked down from my Panhead perch at a stop light and saw the same thing happening to my rear cylinder and it dancing a jig and reel with the piston causing the lay back dip at the top of the stroke....
That was noteworthy of a opening of the ignition switch.
Post haste.
Darn repoo chinesium jugs.
Couldn't find American castings last upper end repair...
Bottom line.
Torque practicing is just plain smart.
Some things benefit from a little stretching.
Sometimes even the human grey matter.
No spec for that though.....
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Geez a load of totally wasted verbiage to simply state that you completely failed to grasp what I had said.

I don't give a dead rats patoot how well an FG carb works with gaspoline, kerosene or urine. Much less about ugly, leaky motorcycles that were outmoded and ancient on the day when they were thrown together by Mutants from Milwaukee.

Perhaps you can relate to Dave your method for torquing the Saito 60T cylinder base flange screws. The screws I was referring to.




LOL



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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
Geez a load of totally wasted verbiage to simply state that you completely failed to grasp what I had said.

I don't give a dead rats patoot how well an FG carb works with gaspoline, kerosene or urine. Much less about ugly, leaky motorcycles that were outmoded and ancient on the day when they were thrown together by Mutants from Milwaukee.

Perhaps you can relate to Dave your method for torquing the Saito 60T cylinder base flange screws. The screws I was referring to.

LOL
leaky, outmoded and ancient)but that is just why they are loved

ugly, that's why they are so cool, like a Willy Jeep 134 flat 4, love those engines

Jim
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leaky, outmoded and ancient)but that is just why they are loved

ugly, that's why they are so cool, like a Willy Jeep 134 flat 4, love those engines

Jim
Not!
I can tolerate Jeeps though! Ha ha ha

I have a friend who has 175 Jeeps from WW2 issue to 1960. Forty or USI of the 134. I have rebuilt several engines for him.

BTW, Over torqued is often more dangerous than undertorqued.

At the shop, we electronically torqued and recorded nearly every engine we built after 1991.

Every fastener was torque striped as well.
We had several specialized adapters to facilitate torquing hard to access fasteners.


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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
Geez a load of totally wasted verbiage to simply state that you completely failed to grasp what I had said.

I don't give a dead rats patoot how well an FG carb works with gaspoline, kerosene or urine. Much less about ugly, leaky motorcycles that were outmoded and ancient on the day when they were thrown together by Mutants from Milwaukee.

Perhaps you can relate to Dave your method for torquing the Saito 60T cylinder base flange screws. The screws I was referring to.




LOL
Surly you jest. I was agreeing with you. Verbiage is for lighthearted illustration when so offered.
​​​​ The Mutants you speak of were my relatives. Citizens.
The products their intellect and hands produced were and are superior on the world stage. Won wars for me. Gave me freedom to go down the road on those ancient outmoded time machines. I am amazed and thankful for ugly motorcycles.....

Help Dave with the torque adapter eh.
I am too verbiage heavy for technical writing.

Still want a couple of them FG carbs now that they got mentioned again. Probably give a dead rats patoot or two for a couple!

LOL
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Melt them all down and make Saito glow engines.

I will send you a pair of those gasper carbs. But I will need to put the in a 600 ton press so they will fit in an envelope.

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Hey, those FG carbs are probably a lot like SuperTigre carbs, the ride in the Mail Truck to my house always fixes them.
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Hey, those FG carbs are probably a lot like SuperTigre carbs, the ride in the Mail Truck to my house always fixes them.
They don't need "fixing"
Neither do Super Tigre carbs. Super Tigre carbs are no problem at all. They were fine before the seller sent them.
My eight year old son had them figured out in a few minutes. His little ST-15 ran like a SWISS watch.



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